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Re: wow
by Janne on Wednesday 30/Apr/2008, @04:12
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"So to find out that Plasma is undergoing yet more big changes rather than stabilising just makes a mockery of everybody who was fed the excuses about 4.0 and the promises for 4.1."
Dude, why don't you just wait until 4.1 is released? Basing your critique on Alpha-software is disingenuous at best.
"Oh, I was saying that for 4.0. I was told I didn't understand open source and that betas and release candidates are appropriate for breakage while implementing new features too."
4.0 was and is a major undertaking of moving the project to a whole new foundation. And 4.0 achieved that. Is it functionally equivalent to 3.x? No. But 4.1 should take big steps in turning KDE4 in to a robust everyday desktop.
And to respond to your whining... Again: Wait until 4.1 is released, before you start whining how Plasma is "broken", OK? Because as things are right now, you have exactly zero idea that is it breoken or not. And before you say something like "Well, the announcement of 4.1 Alpha says that it's broken!"... Yes, it might be somewhat broken in 4.1 Alpha. But Alpha is not the final release. Hell, we might get second Alpha, followed by few betas, followed by one or more release candidates.
In short: Wait until the software is actually released, before whining about that software, OK? |
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Re: wow
by Jim on Wednesday 30/Apr/2008, @05:29
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You seem to be more eager to parrot the party line than to read the comment you are replying to.
> Dude, why don't you just wait until 4.1 is released?
Because the point is not that Plasma is currently unstable, the point is that after telling everybody that 4.0 was the broken release and 4.1 was for stabilisation, they did the exact opposite and went ahead with more major changes to Plasma.
Whether they pull it together and fix things before 4.1 is released is beside the point. Porting to new APIs while adding features does not increase stability, it does the opposite. The fact that they are willing to do that shows that the claims that 4.1 was the stabilisation release was just an excuse. The truth is that 4.0 was simply unfinished and moving to 4.1 is a case of completing all the development they wished they had done for 4.0.
If the development process continues at this rate, people will be complaining that 4.1 is unstable and they'll get told that 4.2 will stabilise things.
> 4.0 was and is a major undertaking of moving the project to a whole new foundation. And 4.0 achieved that. Is it functionally equivalent to 3.x? No. But 4.1 should take big steps in turning KDE4 in to a robust everyday desktop.
Jonathan pointed out that alphas are for risky development, and I pointed out that means little because betas and release candidates are also for risky development as far as KDE is concerned.
Your soundbite about KDE 4.0 being a major undertaking really has no relevance to that point, it's like a generic press blurb you copy & pasted.
> In short: Wait until the software is actually released, before whining about that software, OK?
I'm complaining about the development process, not the software.
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Re: wow
by she on Wednesday 30/Apr/2008, @09:33
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No, he has a point. There was a lot of anticipation that KDE 4 will shake things up positively. I still believe it will, but there was a lot of frustration from user's point of view too.
It would have been much more honest to not raise expectations too much as was done last year.
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