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Re: wow
by Jim on Thursday 01/May/2008, @10:31
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> You are also an ignorant person who thinks re-architecturing and cleaning up the code should never be done.
Please don't make stuff up. I don't think this at all and there's nothing in my comment to suggest it.
> The goal is to have plasma _in kdelibs_ which means binary compatible, which means that the API must be _right_
I thought the party line was that KDE 4.0 was for application developers to port to KDE 4 rather than end-users? More incompatible changes in the API? Will KDE 4.1 be for application developers to port rather than end-users as well?
Don't you understand that fixing the API at this point only strengthens my claim that KDE 4.1 was just an excuse for KDE 4.0 developers to finish their work?
> And for such a thing as the widgets, which must cater to morons also (sorry, Aaron had some social-network-name for them) this is _hard_.
Which is why hacking on widget code shouldn't happen in the main branch, on the code responsible for vital UI features like the taskbar, when you are supposed to be stabilising things!
> And this is what will make all the alternatives irrelevant in the medium term.
I'm sorry but there are a *lot* of widget systems about, Plasma really isn't that compelling, and unlike KDE, the alternatives don't let work on the widget systems drag them down.
The core idea of Plamsa is fine, I have no complaint there. But the way development has occurred, and the way KDE has relied upon it prematurely, has turned it into a complete albatross around KDE's neck.
> although plasma is pretty broken just right now, by the next snapshot it will be fixed.
People have been saying this ever since the first alphas of KDE 4.0. "Don't worry, the beta will be stable". "Don't worry, the next beta will be stable". "Don't worry, the release candidate will be stable". "Oh shit, we're not going to get this done for 4.0... I mean, KDE 4.0 isn't for end-users, dummy, you should wait for KDE 4.1".
> I will however grant one thing, much trolling came from the way the 4.0 release was handled.
A troll is somebody who posts insincerely in order to annoy people. Very little trolling came from the KDE 4.0 release handling, although false accusations were abundant. Why can't you understand that people have legitimate complaints about this? |
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Re: wow
by Paul Eggleton on Thursday 01/May/2008, @11:23
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> Why can't you understand that people have legitimate complaints about this?
Legitimate based upon what? What do you believe gives you the right to continually complain on this site about the way KDE is developed? Furthermore, what do you hope to achieve by making complaints here?
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Re: wow
by hmmm on Friday 02/May/2008, @01:02
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See, I understand that it might disturb you as a concept, but ignorance is not a point of view.
- The rewrite of plasma was planned from the start to happen upon the release of Qt 4.4.
- Aaron, being the maintainer of kicker and co. said it was a nightmare. And he is a pretty smart guy. If he says: "this must be replaced by something new and sensible", odds are, he is right. Also, there are _now_ way more devs on plasma than there ever were on the old shell. Can you guess why? Oh, no, you can't because in your vision of the "right" universe, we would have no more devs and a half-working shell and a depressed and frustrated Aaron. IRL, you are a PHB, right?
- It is not about having a widget system, it is about having a general, all-encompassing widget system which builds upon all the other widget systems. And the design of which also allows, as a side effect, the rebuilding of a desktop shell. And you know what, they are pretty much there.
- No complaints are legitimate here, none, never. Unless you are a dev. You might state that you are unhappy, you might voice opinion, but to complain, you have no rights.
- This is free software, this is not Apple inc. where all the mishaps and difficulties of development are hidden from the customer's view, you get to see them, people debate in the open about problems and difficulties. This is how you get better software in the end. Thinking of free software as a product gives you wrong ideas. It has no products, just projects that at some points become better than products.
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