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Re: great
by fhd on Thursday 01/May/2008, @12:44
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Kubuntu is no distribution, the distribution is called Ubuntu. And Ubuntu is not KDE centric.
I'm really not very satisfied with Kubuntu lately, the Hardy Heron KDE 4 flavour is just a bad joke: vanilla KDE, feels like compiling the packages yourself (besides many plasmoids and most of the KDE 4 wallpapers are missing in Kubuntu). I expect more from a Linux distribution.
Then this awful kindergarten wallpaper for Hardy while those GNOME guys get such an ubercool one...
I'm really thinking about switching to a more KDE centric distribution lately.
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Re: great
by Luca Beltrame on Thursday 01/May/2008, @15:32
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I'm not satisfied with Kubuntu, but credit where it's due: the wallpapers are not missing, they're in a different package, called "kdebase-workspace-wallpapers" (probably to cut down the size of kdebase).
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Re: great
by Donovan on Friday 02/May/2008, @00:59
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But why the hell are they not installed with kubuntu-kde4-desktop?? What's that as a first impression?
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Kubuntu has 702 votes currently - Please vote
by D on Saturday 03/May/2008, @00:24
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Kubuntu has 702 Votes currently.
Please go out and vote for it.
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Re: great
by anon on Thursday 01/May/2008, @21:23
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I'm personally impressed with what OpenSUSE has done with KDE 4 in the 11 beta 1
http://en.opensuse.org/Screenshots/openSUSE_11.0_Beta1
I was not impressed with kubuntu, it really just doesn't look very professional
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Re: great
by fhd on Friday 02/May/2008, @00:57
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OMG, this rocks. I should really think about switching to SuSE... their KDE 3.5.x desktop looks a hundred times more professional than Kubuntu's too.
Sad openSuSE only ships KDE 3.5.7... and sad they've become GNOME centric too.
BTW, the wallpapers thing:
I filled a bug about this yesterday. Because there is a package called kdewallpapers-kde4 which is a dependency of kdeartwork-kde4. This package installs some ugly nonsense KDE <= 3 wallpapers instead of the KDE 4 ones. This can't be!
I guess kdebase-workspace-wallpapers is some relic from the alpha and beta packages. Kubuntu revised their package names often enough.
It just can't be, this is supposed to be STABLE?!
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Re: great
by anon on Friday 02/May/2008, @04:00
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OpenSUSE is not Gnome centric. Opensuse has the biggest KDE team amongst all the distro's. If anything they are more KDE centric than Gnome.
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Re: great
by Anon on Friday 02/May/2008, @04:06
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In addition, online surveys show that a whopping 72% of users use KDE. Becoming "GNOME-centric" in the face of this would be insane.
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Re: great
by Leo S on Friday 02/May/2008, @07:20
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Online surveys are not even remotely reliable, and different surveys show conflicting results. Don't quote them in public.
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Re: great
by M on Friday 02/May/2008, @11:25
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See I've read somewhere that 42.3% of all statistics are made up on the spot. :p
You can't trust these online statistics.
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Re: great
by anon on Friday 02/May/2008, @20:32
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actually it's not a survey, the figures come from those accessing the opensuse repositories, which have 72% of people accessing them using KDE, and the remainder using Gnome.
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Re: great
by anon on Friday 02/May/2008, @04:05
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I forgot to ad, that opensuse ship with the stable KDE version at the time of release, but you will find the KDE updates hit the opensuse repositories quicker than any other distro.
apt-get is nice, Yast is improving constantly
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Re: great
by richlv on Friday 02/May/2008, @04:23
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you can easily add suse buildservice repositories, and have latest versions of almost everything, including kde.
as for opensuse being gnome centric, well, while it has somewhat departed from kde-centric roots, i don't feel that they are leaving out kde or something.
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Re: great
by Donovan on Friday 02/May/2008, @00:58
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I'm thinking about that too. I just like apt-get so much that to this point I tolerated the generally bad kde4 performance of kubuntu.
But seeing how e.g. OpenSuse rolls things with KDE 4, polishes it and constantly gives updates, I might switch over the next weeks.
I heard impresseions like this from a lot of people. So if Kubuntu continues to frustrate users with KDE 4 they'll be in big trouble. And I know it's not the fault of JRiddell, he's all alone on this after all.
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Re: great
by M on Friday 02/May/2008, @12:08
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Same here... Apt-Get is THE reason I use Kubuntu.
So much easier than dealing with package dependencies with openSUSE (although it got much better)
PLEASE, Please put some effort into Kubuntu.
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Re: great
by T. J. Brumfield on Friday 02/May/2008, @16:03
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It isn't up to KDE to put effort into Kubuntu. It is up to Cannonical to put effort into Kubuntu.
openSUSE has been making some great KDE packages and they're are starting to win me over these days.
Arch Linux has great KDE 3.x packages availble with the KDE-mod repository, and Sabayon uses those patches as well.
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Re: great
by anon on Saturday 03/May/2008, @03:00
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If you like apt-get, then you will love what openSUSE 11 has done to software management.
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Re: great
by Joergen Ramskov on Friday 02/May/2008, @02:50
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"Kubuntu is no distribution, the distribution is called Ubuntu. And Ubuntu is not KDE centric."
I'm sorry, but that sentence makes no sense at all.
If you don't like Kubuntu, then by all means, switch to something else or help improve it.
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Re: great
by fhd on Friday 02/May/2008, @03:58
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It was meant as an answer to this sentence:
"When will kubuntu get packages? Most KDE centric distributions have them already :/"
It implies that Kubuntu is a KDE centric distribution.
With my answer, I meant that Kubuntu is not a distribution, but a flavour of a distribution called "Ubuntu". And the distribution Ubuntu is not KDE centric.
With this answer, I was emphasizing my frustration about KDE in Ubuntu not getting the love it deserves.
I don't have time to really help improve it. I report the bugs I find and I critisize it (trying to be constructive of course, but shit happens) - that's it for now.
And my critisizing happens today, on the dot, in the post you just quoted.
That's my way to help Kubuntu - nothing will change if nobody complains.
And while complaining, I'm asking for alternatives with better KDE4 implementations. Can this be wrong?
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Re: great
by Jonathan Thomas on Friday 02/May/2008, @04:35
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Trust me, the Kubuntu team wants KDE 4.1 as much as you do. But it's not as simple as that, as Hardy Heron was just released, and KDE 4.1 will be released 3 months from now.
As of now, there has been absolutely no time to do any migration to KDE 4.1. This is in fact a huge job, and not one that could have been sanely accomplished in the time between now and hardy's release. You have Qt 4.4 that you have to migrate to, and then package. You have to write migration scripts for configuration files, and you have to do this without bugs. Then, you also have to package KDE 4.1. The Ubuntu developer's summit where this is all going to be concretely fleshed out hasn't even taken place yet.
The main problem is with the timings of the releases of *buntu and KDE. All of the above hurdles are related to the timings of Kubuntu and KDE releases. If you sync Kubuntu to KDE, people will complain about getting Kubuntu 3 months late. If you don't, and keep releases synced with Ubuntu, people will complain about not getting prerelease versions of KDE 4.1 as early as the other distributions. Trust me, the last thing that the Kubuntu team needs is people complaining, since they'll have people complaining about any choice that they make.
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Re: great
by xddule on Wednesday 07/May/2008, @01:03
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I don't think Kubuntu should by any case switch to kde 4.0.x or 4.1 till all impressions has been taken. Apparently, kde 4.x is a big mis, which takes me to freeze to 3.5.x or to switch to gnome, which i already did at my home fedora distro. At work still using kde because i used to it (since '95) and i did lot under qt. So Kubuntu should stay focused on the stability prior to some polish shell of the empty, and more sadly, unusable content.
Even Akademy needs to extend dead line because they will not have enough participants this year. Kde team should consider this or they will need to extend developments of 3.5.x serials, like MS did to the XP winning still over vista.
It is a bid sad, because qt 4.x is a really good, and really misused in kde 4.x.
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Re: great - Sadly, I agree: Kubuntu is a joke!!!
by M on Friday 02/May/2008, @11:23
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Sadly, I have to agree. Kubuntu 8.04 KDE Remix is a joke.
Usually Kubuntu is a half a$$ed version of Ubuntu. (don't they have only like 1-2 people working on Kubuntu??)
This time it takes the cake!!! It feels so unfinished, almost Beta version.
Canonical, please put some effort into the KDE branch. I understand that Ubuntu is your big "seller" but Linux is about choice!!
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Yes, I know I can defect to openSuSE, and probably will, but without some friendly competition between the distro's development will starve. More distros need to embrace KDE.
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Re: great
by Dread Knight on Friday 02/May/2008, @11:47
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Well, on distrowatch.org, at the time being ubuntu is the number 1 distro, while kubuntu is number 14, while is OpenSUSE is number 3, supporting multiple desktop environments very nicely.
I think Ubuntu with kde4 lacks big time compared to openSUSE. I even tried switching to openSUSE, but the complex/sluggish installer, hardware support and perhaps no shipit blown me away xD
I really wish Ubuntu/Kubuntu/Xubuntu/Shumuntu/etcbuntu will "merge" in the way openSUSE does things...
I stumbled myself in k/ubuntu kde4 with the wallpapers package issue xD it should get fixed...
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Re: great
by anon on Saturday 03/May/2008, @02:48
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slugish installer on opensuse?
On 10.3 it took me 20 minutes to install opensuse
on opensuse 11 beta 2 KDE 4 cd it took me 10 minutes.
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Vote for Kubuntu!!!! :)
by M on Saturday 03/May/2008, @00:21
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If you want Kubuntu to have the same rights as Ubuntu, vote here:
http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/478/
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OpenSUSE Screenshots
by R. J. on Saturday 03/May/2008, @16:15
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I've uploaded some more detail screenshots of OpenSUSE 11 beta 2 if people want to see the improvements to it.
http://www.myspace.com/alienwithin
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