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Re: Why so many??
by Ian Monroe on Thursday 08/May/2008, @19:13
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KOffice is like 9 years old or something.
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Re: Why so many??
by Aaron Seigo on Thursday 08/May/2008, @19:58
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So many?
There are actually relatively few Free software apps in the spaces KOffice apps exist in. Kexi and Krita are two really good examples, but even KWord, KPresenter and KSpread only have a couple Free software companions each.
It's nothing like the situation with text editors or media players.
Also keep in mind that KOffice predates the other Free software apps in this space, with the exception of the "old school" apps that can be used for similar tasks (e.g. latex)
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Re: Why so many??
by T. J. Brumfield on Thursday 08/May/2008, @20:42
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I still use OpenOffice, and likely will for some time, however Krita looks really impressive and it might replace Photoshop for me.
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Re: Why so many??
by Kishore on Thursday 08/May/2008, @21:09
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I still use openoffice too. But im not a happy user. It does not integrate well with my desktop, takes a long time to load. I use it for the lack of better alternates. The day koffice can match i'll make the switch 100%.
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Re: Why so many??
by she on Friday 09/May/2008, @09:10
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I totally agree with you.
I also hope that the KDE guys realize that I wouldnt mind to donate money, after all such a cause helps me too. Time is really precious, better soon than late :)
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Krita
by Morten Juhl-Johansen Zölde-Fejér on Friday 09/May/2008, @02:11
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Personally, I find that Krita is often a better tool for my graphics tasks than GIMP. For instance, I made a document management application mockup (http://syntaktisk.dk/grphcs/docuzilla-mock.png) a while ago, and I found that using Krita made it much easier. I make quite a few graphics buttons, and that is nice with Krita.
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Re: Why so many??
by Lucianolev on Thursday 08/May/2008, @21:20
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I think that if there's one thing missing in the free software desktop so as to be ready for the average user is a good, full-featured office suite. KDE4/QT4 technologies are just awesome, so KOffice has the possibility to become the best office suite ever!
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Re: Why so many??
by jospoortvliet on Thursday 08/May/2008, @22:47
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OpenOffice doesn't seem capable of ever growing beyond the 'copy MS Office 97' paradigm. It's codebase is too complex and dazzling to attract new developers, hence innovation is unlikely. KOffice, on the other hand, has a strong base to build upon, and is already doing a lot of interesting things. As I'm a strong believer in innovation as the way forward for FOSS, the chances of KOffice 'saving' the office workspace for FOSS are imho much larger than for OO.o.
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Re: Why so many??
by André on Friday 09/May/2008, @07:46
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While I agree with you in theory, judging by the always existing lack of developers in KOffice, the simplicity and structure of it's code base (at least, relative to OO.o) does not really help in practice to attract new developers. Or am I off in this respect?
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Re: Why so many??
by Amadeo on Friday 09/May/2008, @08:10
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KOffice has far more volunteer coders than openoffice. What will happen if Sun stops funding openoffice? How many paid developers are required just to maintain it?
KOffice, with a clean and lean code base could save the day in that situation. just look what happened to KHTML x Mozilla.
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Volunteers
by T. J. Brumfield on Friday 09/May/2008, @10:01
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I think OOo lacks volunteers because Sun demands to own the copyright for all submissions, but they do have people like Sun, IBM and Novell paying a decent sized staff to work on OOo.
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Re: Why so many??
by she on Friday 09/May/2008, @09:06
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'does not really help in practice to attract new developers. '
I dont agree really.
Besides the problem is really that openoffice is an artificial effort right now, marketed by Sun.
Koffice is MUCH more close to the community.
The only problem is that I cant code in C++ (and I wont. I use ruby for all my work). :)
The best solution would be to be as generic as possible and allow people to write plugins etc.. in the language they use. I really have no need for java, c++ or whatever anymore, and I dont want to waste time just for coding in C++ (because I know, I wouldnt code in C++ anyway.).
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Re: Why so many??
by Cyrille Berger on Saturday 10/May/2008, @00:28
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Well actually with the Kross binding, you can write features in Ruby, Python and JavaScript, either scripts or even dockers. I don't know what you are intersted in doing, but you can do stuff in ruby, and we would really love to have some inputs on the bindings.
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Re: Why so many??
by she on Friday 09/May/2008, @09:04
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There are NOT many office suites.
And especially word processors, there are like openoffice (i hate it...) abiword (the best, but has not enough features) and koffice (i think koffice will become the best word processor in the future, it has a smarter developer base. Openoffice somewhat sucks, and is so java centric - it should be more user centric.)
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Re: Why so many??
by bah on Friday 09/May/2008, @14:59
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Hopefully this won't turn into a "but so-and-so is doing it" and "they'll obviously do it much better", so "let's give up on our stuff now".
Along with "we only need one free version and ours isn't good enough because we don't have an infinite number of developers on it".
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Re: Why so many??
by anon on Saturday 10/May/2008, @01:47
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While witting a book I started off in OpenOffice, then moved to Kword, both applications left me dual booting windows simply so I could use office without the need for wine. It's nice to build applications to try and get people away from office, but when you use those applications and then they screw up your work when given to the publisher, it is not worth the time and hassle. I personally do not see a time when I will move back to either, and have become my next novel using Microsoft Word
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Re: Why so many??
by Boudewijn Rempt on Saturday 10/May/2008, @08:50
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On the other hand, when someone I knew had to write a book, and did it in MS Word, and noticed she had only 70 pages out of about 500 left after a save, I had to take a three hour train journey to help her out. In the end, I only got the project to the printer through Open Office.
In other words, assuming that Word won't screw you is a really sure-fire way to get screwed.
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Re: Why so many??
by JRT on Saturday 10/May/2008, @12:04
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Writing long and/or complicated documents with MS-Word is not really a safe thing to do. This is why many attorneys and government agencies use WordPerfect.
OpenOffice-Writer is a useful replacement for MS-Word, but it isn't nearly as good as WordPerfect-8.x (the last version ported to UNIX [this is WPDOS not WPWIN]).
I do hope that the KWord developers set their sights on WordPerfect rather than MS-Word.
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Re: Why so many??
by Renaud on Sunday 11/May/2008, @12:18
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Have a look at Lyx (http://www.lyx.org/), that is rock-solid, LaTeX-based document formatter.
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