MAY
19
2003

KDE 3.1.2: The Even More Stable Release

The KDE Project has released KDE 3.1.2, the second maintenance release of the KDE 3.1 release series. It features more and much improved translations and many problem corrections. Read the Changelog or jump directly to the download links. Those of you who wish to compile from source can use Konstruct for near automatic compilation.

Comments

He was talking about www.kde.com. You're referring to www.kde.org. The two are totally seperate as far as I can see. www.kde.com seems to be operated by a company called MieTerra, who I've never heard of. But then if you look at their press release, a familiar sounding name appears!

www.kde.org is the official site, not www.kde.com, so I would regard anything from www.kde.com as representing only their own policy, not the official KDE line.


By GldnBlls at Tue, 2003/05/20 - 5:00am

> My question: Is this kde.com really promoting official KDE policy?!?!?

Not at all.

> This only gave me an quite angry reply that I shouldn't use the internet if I wouldn't want to leave traces

I think he's pretty much correct there.


By fault at Tue, 2003/05/20 - 5:00am

I agree with the point of leaving traces. However, I think that if someone asks for their account deleted, they should at least be treated politely.

One of the fundamental flaw in many people's mind is that people who manage accounts are always thinking about how to preserve the information, they don't take the time to think about when and how to destroy it. True security composes of both preserving, and destroying information (among other things), so yes there should be a policy about removing accounts. Failure to have a policy means that you have not at least thought about it carefully, which is really bad.

Tim Vail


By Tim Vail at Tue, 2003/05/20 - 5:00am

I don't know why most of the replies state that that's usual behavoir.
Even if it would be, it's definitely not ok. If I'm building a site which gives users the options to leave their data/register, I'll also provide a function to delete their data.

For me, it's surprising that kde.com does 1) not provide a function to delete one's account, and 2) one of the developers replies in this way.

Sure, no open source developer is forced to do what users demand ("I need function xy, code it for me"), but though, when building a routine that registers user input in a database, the least I can do, is to also provide a routine which deletes the stuff. Not to speak about my own reasons, like performance, storage costs, etc.
What also surprises me is that this developer even didn't expect someone to ask his registration to be deleted.

So to sum it up, I fully agree with the original poster.


By Hoek at Tue, 2003/05/20 - 5:00am

> 2) one of the developers replies in this way.

A KDE developer replied because kde.com is independently maintained by a *surprise* KDE developer. =P

Kde.com is mostly known for apps.kde.com which offers a quite complete library of existing KDE and QT applications. There is a link to that site on kde.org with the disclaimer: "Application feed provided by APPS.KDE.com, a commercial, independent KDE website."


By Datschge at Wed, 2003/05/21 - 5:00am

kde.com is a commercial website that is independent from the KDE project (kde.org).

Cheers,
Waldo


By Waldo Bastian at Tue, 2003/05/20 - 5:00am

Thanks for clearing that up. I thought so too, but, you never know =)

BTW: Waldo, SuSE is now my favorite distribution, and the only one that can configure and detect my harware RAID correctly. The only hardare problem I have is that my Haupphage tv does not work well.


By mario at Wed, 2003/05/21 - 5:00am

Well, why does www.kde.com have to look that...un-stylish?


By KDE User at Thu, 2003/05/22 - 5:00am

KDE.com isn't affiliated with the KDE project at all. It can look however the owner of the page wants it to, similarly for kde.pl, kde.de. afaik, kde.com hasn't changed much since 1999 or so.

kde.ORG is the only official KDE top level domain.


By tilt at Thu, 2003/05/22 - 5:00am

Ok, I am really pissed that I can't find any really good file manager son linux. Even konqueror does not support basic features I need, there are tons of things that annoy me about it like the bad UI, menu clutter, stability etc. but on the top of my head I can tell you a few things I do not like.

- It doesn't show free space in the selected directory! C'mon!!!

- File copy/move can't resume! I mean, c'mon! I've spent 4 hours copying a file across a slow link when the network goes down momentarily when 98% done. I try to resume and it only asks to overwrite/rename/cancel/skip. (Well, at least it doesn't remove partial files when aborting transfers like M$ Explorer does.)

- You can't access the file transfer queue. I'm copying a few gigs of stuff when I realize that I don't want to copy the next to last item I selected. I either have to abort the whole transfer, re-select the other files and restart the transfer, or I have to sit and wait until the unwanted file starts copying and then abort, remove the partial file, re-select the last file and re-start the transfer. I also can't add files to be transferred to that queue. Thus there is no way to copy files between more than two dirs in one go. Stupid, stupid.

- Select two directories full of files, right-click and choose properties and it'll say "2 items - 0 files - 2 directories", and then when you delete those dirs you are happily unaware of your thousands of files being deleted. This probably isn't so very bad once you are aware of this, but I wasn't for a long time and I suspect I've deleted a lot of non-empty dirs that I thought were empty.

- Split a file listing "Left/Right" a few times to get several panes, and then try to drag'n'drop a file from one pane to another. Since the target pane is full of files you can't drop the file anywhere because the whole row (of the "Name" column) of an existing file will be chosen as target. You actually have to scroll horizontally and then drop the file on another column.

- It caches A LOT, and it doesn't update the cache when you re-visit the directory. The actual filesystem is thus seldom what konqueror shows unless you press "Refresh" all the time. In the last few hours it has also removed several files and directories from the file listing cache for no apparent reason. They reappear when pressing F5. (Why can't it start with displaying the cached file listing and do the refresh in the background to ensure it's up-to-date??)

- Selecting dirs with many files really shows the bad underlying design. The file listing isn't updated until the whole directory has been scanned/cached. It isn't even cleared, which gives the impression that the newly selected dir contains exactly the same files as the previously selected dir. It doesn't even give a hint that something is happening! What's even worse is that it doesn't respond to anything while it's scanning the dir. You can't abort it e.g. by trying to select another dir instead. It seems that it doesn't even repaint the window. What's even worse is that it caches the mouse clicks you've done when you tried to change directory while it was so busy, and when it's finished scanning through the dir it responds to those long ago sent mouse clicks! C'mon! Haven't the developers ever seen a book on UI design? (Quite obviously not.)

- The dir tree doesn't stay in sync with the active file listing. E.g. when dragging a file from the file listing and dropping it on another dir in the dir tree the other dir becomes selected while the file listing shows the contents of the first dir.

- The trashcan is a normal directory! This must be among the most stupid design decisions ever made. The trashcan doesn't remember where the file came from. You can't set it to keep only X MB of the last deleted stuff. You can't set it to permanently delete stuff older than N days. You can't even have two files with the same name in it at the same time! (Not even if they originally came from different directories. Not that that should matter.) This is absurd! (Perhaps the trashcan isn't at all part of konqueror...)

- It keeps a lock on something in visited directories. This becomes apparent when you try to unmount something that konqueror has accessed at some point. You have to close the relevant konqueror window for it to release whatever lock it has in the mounted filesystem, so that it can be unmounted.

- The TABs won't shrink after they fill up the whole row, so if you have many TABs you only see a few at a time.

- No emblems like nautilus

- No integrated cd burning like in windows

- extremely slow on directories with thousands of items

- when oading directroies, such as one with pictures it seems to over lay the pictures and generally looks extremely ugly until it finishes loading, it should load smoothly like nautilus

- no zoom like in nautilus

- no differnece in list views for different types of files, for example in music directuries such as oredr by artist album, play time etc. like in Explorer

When will Konqueror actually become a good fast featur erich file manager? Is any of this in the works for 3.2? PLEASE IF YOUR GOING TO DO ONE THING FOR 3.@ FIX KONWUEROR!


By micahel at Thu, 2003/05/22 - 5:00am

> Ok, I am really pissed that I can't find any really good file manager son linux. Even konqueror does not support basic features I need, there are tons of things that annoy me about it like the bad UI, menu clutter, stability etc. but on the top of my head I can tell you a few things I do not like.

You really should sumbit bugs/feature requests to http://bugs.kde.org/, and perhaps mailing lists (esp. the kfm-devel one) there are a lot more KDE developers listening there than here.

IMHO, though, I think you're incorrect. I've used quite a lot of file managers, and I like Konqueror second only to a fine file manager called Directory Opus on windows. It's more feature filled than Konqueror, and faster too, especially with large amounts of files. It's great. Check it out at http://www.gpsoft.com.au/.

> The dir tree doesn't stay in sync with the active file listing. E.g. when dragging a file from the file listing and dropping it on another dir in the dir tree the other dir becomes selected while the file listing shows the contents of the first dir.

This seems like a feature to me.

> - Selecting dirs with many files really shows the bad underlying design. The file listing isn't updated until the whole directory has been scanned/cached. It isn't even cleared, which gives the impression that the newly selected dir contains exactly the same files as the previously selected dir. It doesn't even give a hint that something is happening!

Uh... what? When loading a folder with a few thousand mp3's, I see a statusbar here with progress info.

> - no zoom like in nautilus

The equivalence of zooming has been in Konq since KDE 2.0

> - extremely slow on directories with thousands of items

It's quite fast for me; however, it does need work. It's not as fast as Directory Opus or Windows Explorer for me. It's certainly faster than Nautilus though.

> - It keeps a lock on something in visited directories

I think it attaches FAMd to it when it's in the directory list.

> - Select two directories full of files, right-click and choose properties and it'll say "2 items - 0 files - 2 directories"

Quite true; I think it should scan the directories like Explorer.

> - It caches A LOT, and it doesn't update the cache when you re-visit the directory.

KDE uses famd (as does Nautilus), which watches for file/folder modifications-- looks like it wasn't doing it's job.

> - You can't access the file transfer queue.

Have you tried using kget?

> - It doesn't show free space in the selected directory! C'mon!!!

Agreed. I remember being able to do this in the past. weird.


By tilt at Thu, 2003/05/22 - 5:00am

> It's certainly faster than Nautilus though.

No, it's not true. Nautilus is 2-10 times faster than Konqueror in browsing directories over 3000 files on my PIII-700 128mb ram.


By M3taOscura at Fri, 2003/05/23 - 5:00am

Yes, but with most common usage, I still find konqueror to be much faster.

Still, Nautilus and Konqueror have a way to go before they reach the speed of Directory Opus.


By tilt at Fri, 2003/05/23 - 5:00am

"Even konqueror does not support basic features I need, there are tons of things that annoy me about it like the bad UI, menu clutter, stability etc. but on the top of my head I can tell you a few things I do not like...."

Oh no. We tried so hard. After years working on a free desktop environment, we do not even have the _basic_ features Micahel (our client) needs. How could we have let you down like this?? And to make it worse, there are no other file managers out there for you to use either. I feel bad that we make you use Konwueror. You know, with it sucking and all. I personally will not go to work again until I have satisfied your every desire, I'll start on the file transfer queue thing and then work on the Split a file listing. Unless you want me to work on the Split a file listing first, of course.

I can't speak for anyone else, but I want to thank you for the constructive criticism. We need more feature requests like these.


By brian at Thu, 2003/05/22 - 5:00am

It was just a complaint list, there is alot going right with the file manager too. But, why would you want to hear that, you need to know what's wrong with it IMO of course.


By Michael at Thu, 2003/05/22 - 5:00am

Now did you already look if your complaints are already posted at bugs.kde.org? If so please feel free to vote for all the stuff you complained so much about, and post every complaint which isn't there yet as new report. You don't need to complain again if you prefer to skip that all which I consider a bare minimum of contribution.


By Datschge at Thu, 2003/05/22 - 5:00am

It was just a complaint list, there is alot going right with the file manager too. But, why would you want to hear that, you need to know what's wrong with it IMO of course.


By Michael at Thu, 2003/05/22 - 5:00am

I recently installed RH9.0 in the hopes of using it as my new default OS.

All I can say is, I'll wait for KDE 3.2 + another distribution.

I know that talking about speed in KDE is old news, but this is my honest opinion here ...

After wrestling a few days with the OS, I decided to give it a rest by going back to Win2K for some gaming. My reaction was "Oh my gawd Windows is fast!" It was as if I had just upgraded my PII 400MHz PC to a P4 2.4GHz machine!! The speed difference between KGL and Win2K is still frighteningly apparent.

Why am I worried about speed? All the bugs that irritate Michael pale into insignificance when I consider that I actually looked forward to using Konsole instead of using Konqueror for even the simple tasks like moving and deleting files and folders.

Let me not even start about Gnome. The desktop experience was dismal, period.

A pointer for KDE 3.2 .. If the default installation looks like the screenshot of Everaldo's desktop at his website everaldo.com, I believe many more people would be scrambling to get onboard the KGL express. Damn that screenshot looks fine. Granted, I am a linux newbie, but there was simply no way for me to get RH9.0 to look like that. The fonts in the screenshot look exactly like Windows fonts. The anti-aliasing of fonts in RH9.0 made it look better, but nowhere near as crisp as Everaldo's screenshot.

1. When the speed of Konqueror = the speed of Explorer and
2. when I can get the fonts to look as good as Windows
(where is to M to R? I will certainly RTFM if there is one to follow) and
3. when the speed of any Linux DVD player = Any Windows DVD player

... I will happily move camp and take many with me.

Regards
Hope2BKDE3.2User


By I'll wait for K... at Thu, 2003/05/22 - 5:00am

Well change your distro.

RH does not really support kde (and not optimized). I'm using Slackware and everything is very very fast. My laptop is a P4 1,8Ghz with 300Mb ram.
Konqueror is faster than explorer (while loading and borwsing).
For dvd player I prefer mplayer over xine and videolan.

About the font you can use the GPL bitstream Vera font that is really great.
And your RH Xfree86 conf file is probably not well setup.


By JC at Thu, 2003/05/22 - 5:00am

Are you referring to Everaldo's screenshot at http://www.everaldo.com/crystal/images/screen2.jpg?

That looks pretty much like a default KD E 3.0 with KD E3.1's icons (that Everaldo made), and a different window decoration. It'd be cool to have that kind of desktop in one of the choices for kpersonalizer (the app that runs the first time KD E is run)

> 1. When the speed of Konqueror = the speed of Explorer and
> 2. when I can get the fonts to look as good as Windows
> (where is to M to R? I will certainly RTFM if there is one to follow) and
> 3. when the speed of any Linux DVD player = Any Windows DVD player

Well, Konqueror is as fast as Explorer for me for everything but places where there are MANY files/directories. Unfortunatly there, it slows to a crawl.

The speed of any Linux DVD player, such as xine or mplayer, should be comparable to any Windows DVD player. If it isn't, sounds like a bad configuration by RedHat.

I currently use Gentoo, and KD E flies on it. I've heard a lot of problems with KDE and redhat, so I don't recommend that at all. Of course, I haven't used Redhat since 5.2 personally :)

I recommend Mandrake or SuSE.. they are as easy to install as Redhat (unlike Gentoo... which will probably give best performance, but is hard to install)


By tilt at Thu, 2003/05/22 - 5:00am

Hi Tilt

That is the screenshot I was talking about.

I have never seen such crisp, good looking fonts, like this screenshot. Can someone point out how this was done?

I have looked at many screenies at kde-look and not many people have their setups looking this good. I am referring to the look of the fonts in general, not the specific font used, or do the two go hand-in-hand?

Also, Konqueror is cleanly laid out, which is great and the ultra-flat look of the windows is stunning. This all adds up to one very professional looking desktop. That is why I recommended this look ---in it's entirety--- as a direction for KDE3.2 to look.

If you are getting the same speed from Konqueror as Explorer, than my setup must be totally unoptimised. I will try another distribution next time for sure. The crazy thing is, Gnome felt the same. It wasn't as if Gnome was streets ahead of a broken KDE, they felt equally broken.


By Hope2BKDE3.2User at Thu, 2003/05/22 - 5:00am

Did you try to install true type fonts?


By Dimitris at Tue, 2003/05/27 - 5:00am

First off, don't use RH. I've got Mandrake running on a 366 pentium 2 (kde 3.1), and the speed is comfortable. Borwser speed (galeon) is faster than IE on a 400 pentium 2 that my SO uses...

DVD playing in linux is a battle of hardware support. Don't use anything besides mplayer if you want the best performance. If anything in linux supports hardware acceleration, mplayer can use it...without hardware acceleration, you are using brute force and windows will be faster, because no doubt that company has released a nice, highly tuned, directX driver for windows...

I can play svcd's and divx at normal speed full screen on this old crate, using DGA and by choosing a low-quality "stretch" method to fix the aspect ratio...only mplayer lets you choose this amount of detail - you can get mplayer to play anything on any hardware.

This graphics card doesn't support any special features besides DGA, no xvidix or xv...if I choose to not fix the aspect ratio, then I get a picture that's not quite full screen, but it looks crisp and runs fast...

BTW, I would love (hate) so see XP founder on this old crate with 128 megs of ram...that would be a fair test, no? ;)

BTW, don't use mandrake either ;) I've got debian running on another faster computer, and it rocks. It's got K3.2.1, and it's faster and uses less ram...how many windows upgrades use LESS resources? Wonderfull!


By davros at Fri, 2003/05/23 - 5:00am

Ummmm, no, it doesn't have KDE 3.2.1 on it. And you give no evidence why someone shouldn't use Mandrake, so don't mind if everyone ignores your comments.


By Joe at Tue, 2003/05/27 - 5:00am

Well, you didn't ignore my comment ;)

I wasn't proving a point, so I need to provide no evidence...I liked Mandrake enough to use it for several releases...

But I'm sick of silly errors like SDL blowing up in 9.0 - urpmi is no apt - I FINALLY got transcode installed and it CORE DUMPED out! Compiling it was a small NIGHTMARE with ZILLIONS of libs needed...Mandrake is better out of the box, for the soccer mom user...but that's about it ;)

With Debian, I do miss some of Mandrake's control center tools which spoil you but I LOVE being able to install something EASILY (urpmi is FAR from an apt-get)...

Even compiling stuff can be nightmare in Mandrake...with Debian, if I need something, it's just a command away with apt and then I can compile without issue.

That is worth everything to me.

tootles


By davros at Wed, 2003/05/28 - 5:00am

Try Mandrake 9.1. I used to be annoyed at the speed of Konqueror as well, especially start up, in earlier Mandrake releases It used to take 10 seconds to launch, which was unexceptable in my view. It now launches in under 2 seconds. Same hardware, pIII 500, 384Mb memory. Not sure if these are KDE improvements or some Mandrake optimisations, but KDE is quick now, it also seems to start the desktop faster as well. Not as fast as windows 98 mind you on the same hardware (but more stable obviously) but in the same ballpark as Windows 2000.

Mandrake desktop looks nice. Fonts are antialiased as well. I was starting to be attracted to Redhats bluecurve desktop but The Mandrake desktop is now almost as nice, but uses KDE.


By David O'Connell at Tue, 2003/05/27 - 5:00am

> Not sure if these are KDE improvements or some Mandrake optimisations,

Probably both.. much of KDE's slowness in startup was due to dynamic linking costs. Prelink has fixed this mostly.

> Mandrake desktop looks nice. Fonts are antialiased as well. I was starting to be attracted to Redhats bluecurve desktop but The Mandrake desktop is now almost as nice, but uses KDE.

Agreed... I like mandrake-galaxy better than rh-bluecurve.. although I use gentoo, I use both from time to time.


By fault at Tue, 2003/05/27 - 5:00am

This is an old thread, but for the sake of completeness here goes.

I downloaded Vector Linux (SOHO 3.2) to replace RH9.0 and I am now a happy camper. I would have loved to go the Gentoo route, for speed, portage and being thrown in the deep end with learning Linux, but I only have one PC and compiling from source would make my machine unusable for long periods of time.

I am now still dual-booting between Win2K and Vector Linux, but Vector is the default.

If I use Arial 10 as my default font on my 1024 x 768 CRT monitor, then the font looks as perfect as Windows :)

Konq. runs fast, so much faster than RH 9.0 that it is now a pleasure to use.

My system looks as follows:

The window Deco is OS K, the colours are hand - picked to compliment the window deco, the style is dotNET and the icons are Noia KDE.

To get around the speed issue of loading applications, this is what I have done:
I have chosen Desktop 1 to be my work desktop (Office, Graphics etc.), Desktop 2 is Internet, Desktop 3 is Console and Desktop 4 is Config. So when KDE boots, all my favourite applications are booted at the same time, on their respective desktops. Then all I do is switch desktops when I need to do whatever needs to be done. Load time is now Zero as I am simply switching desktops.

Thanx for all the help and suggestions.


By Hope2BKDE3.2User at Sun, 2003/06/08 - 5:00am

I have just finished the installation of KDE 3.1.2.
First of all when I try to compile kdenetwork, kdebase there was a warning during the configuration (this is from kdebase)

configure: WARNING: X11/extensions/XKBrules.h: present but cannot be compiled
configure: WARNING: X11/extensions/XKBrules.h: check for missing prerequisite headers?
configure: WARNING: X11/extensions/XKBrules.h: proceeding with the preprocessor's result

Anyway, since that was a warning (hope so), I continued with the make and make install. Everything were OK (!) and now I am using KDE 3.1.2. I have RedHat 8 and I had KDE 3.1.1, which I compiled, without any problem.

I used Konqueror to browse the network and the first web page I visited was www.kde.org. Konqueror stalled, it was not able to show the entire page, but only the portion that fits in the screen. However, if I open another web page (in a new tab) and then go back to the previous web page, I can see the entire web page and use the sidebar (or mouse wheel) to schroll.

Any ideas why this is happening? Could it be because I had these warnings?

Thanks
Vasilis


By Vasilis at Thu, 2003/05/22 - 5:00am

I used Konqueror a couple of times and I do not have the problem anymore.


By Vasilis at Fri, 2003/05/23 - 5:00am

But, since we're mentioning a KD erelease. I also wanted to mention taht GnOME 2.3.2 unstable was released.

changelogs for unstable releases:

2.3.0: http://www.gnomedesktop.org/article.php?sid=1046
2.3.1: http://www.gnomedesktop.org/article.php?sid=1112
2.3.2: http://www.gnomedesktop.org/article.php?sid=1127

too bad KDe has no full detailed changelogs, the best stuff sometimes is undocumented =(


By micahel at Fri, 2003/05/23 - 5:00am

Wow, a desktop environment using ~/Desktop - where have I seen that before? And all the other trivial changes - for bugs introduced in the previous snapshot.


By Anonymous at Fri, 2003/05/23 - 5:00am

lost sof those are not just tbugfixes and cahnging the desktop path is somethign quite important. How about you stop trying to make KDE look great at everything and GNOME look like crap, both are good. Lot sof the changelogs do include bugfixes, but also many new features, read it before writting your standard response.


By Alex at Fri, 2003/05/23 - 5:00am

> How about you stop trying to make KDE look great at everything and GNOME look like crap, both are good.

Look-- most of us don't really care about GNOME. Not that it isn't bad or anything. It's good. However, this is dot.kde.org. If we wanted GNOME news, we would go to gnotices or whatever. Leave this site to KDE specific stuff. Stop posting GNOME release changelogs here (directed at Michael.) Thanks.

I just wish there was user-based moderation here (like in the GNOME news site) so that we could moderate down utterly irrelevent and OFFTOPIC posts like that to oblivian.


By shifte at Sat, 2003/05/24 - 5:00am

Hi, on my PIII-700 128mb RAM Nautilus is slightly faster than Konqueror when browsing folders over 3000 files (such as Mozilla cache).
Nautilus took less than 8 seconds to read and doing 'file' entire folder, while Konqueror over 20-30 seconds.


By M3taOscura at Fri, 2003/05/23 - 5:00am

Hello,

When we as KDE users complain about performance we do *NOT* mean the KDE team should engage itself in low disgusting practices of cheating. What I am talking of is the preloading of Konqueror. How low can you go!!

Yes, Microsoft is doing it with internet explorer. Yes KDE is compared with Windows. But KDE is better than Windows (well it should be).

DON'T engage yourself in cheating!!

Now get this kode out of KDE a.s.a.p. and go spend your time on real optimizations. I just did did an upgrade to KDE 3.2 and allthough I haven't yet researched wether SuSE or KDE has to be blamed it's slower than ever.


By Daniel Mantione at Fri, 2003/05/23 - 5:00am

Exuse me for the typo, I did upgrade to KDE 3.1.2.


By Daniel Mantione at Fri, 2003/05/23 - 5:00am

Why don't U fix the performance issues instead of whining


By coward at Sun, 2003/08/24 - 5:00am

Yep, please complain some more about a non-default (unlike in Windows) feature that can be turned on/off easily (unlike in Windows)

Also, at the same time please go and tell the developers of Mozilla, Firebird, Galeon, and Epiphany to remove all offending performance-enhancing ("cheating") code from their browsers as well.

It's about time we crack down on these browser makers for illegally boosting their performance!!!


By shifte at Fri, 2003/05/23 - 5:00am

> Yep, please complain some more about a non-default (unlike in Windows) feature that can be turned on/off easily (unlike in Windows)

The problem is, I don't WANT to spend stacks of time on disabling so called "features". Nor do any other sane people. Since we're comparing with Windows, I'm think of those thinking menus, luna-interfaces, irritating popup windows etc. If KDE is going to be like that it will loose me as user.

> Also, at the same time please go and tell the developers of Mozilla, Firebird, Galeon, and Epiphany to remove all offending performance-enhancing ("cheating") code from their browsers as well.

Those browsers are so terribly bloated I'm not even going to bother with them. But you are right, I've already shared my displeasure with the OpenOffice developers about autostarting the whole Open Office suite.


By Daniel Mantione at Fri, 2003/05/23 - 5:00am

> The problem is, I don't WANT to spend stacks of time on disabling so called "features". Nor do any other sane people. Since we're comparing with Windows, I'm think of those thinking menus, luna-interfaces, irritating popup windows etc. If KDE is going to be like that it will loose me as user.

The thing is that it's not even enabled by default in stock KDE! If a distro enables it by default, there is nothing anyone at dot.kde.org can do about it. Bitch at the distro instead!


By shifte at Sat, 2003/05/24 - 5:00am

Ok, you are right. I did check the default config files before, but apparently SuSE enable it by a source code patch. Shame on them!


By Daniel Mantione at Sat, 2003/05/24 - 5:00am

Huh, this may be a stupid question, but how do I turn this feature on/off? I've looked in the KDE control center but didn't find anything about pre-loading...

Thanks!


By Archie Steel at Sun, 2003/05/25 - 5:00am

KDE Components/KDE Performance


By Anonymous at Sun, 2003/05/25 - 5:00am

Mmm...that's what I thought, it's not there. Somehow, I mustn't have upgraded that specific part of KDE, or maybe it's texstar's RPM which are not correctly configured. In any case, I do not see this control module at all...


By Archie Steel at Sun, 2003/05/25 - 5:00am

It's new in CVS, IIRC.


By Sad Eagle at Sun, 2003/05/25 - 5:00am

Ah, mystery solved...I got confused because the patch got included in the SuSE rpm packages, but not texstar's fine Mandrake ones...oh well, I can wait. I guess I was just wondering if it was me who was a total idiot for not finding the configuration options...


By Archie Steel at Mon, 2003/05/26 - 5:00am

Just disable it for yourself if you think you don't need it. Preloading it can't be that bad considering that 99+% of all KDE user also use Konqueror regulary in some way and will have to start it at some point anyway.


By Datschge at Fri, 2003/05/23 - 5:00am

Yeah, we should also preload konsole and kedit, don't you think? You'll need them anyway! Perhaps the file, http, ftp and smb ioslaves too don't you think? And kghostscript wouldn't be bad too.

Of course not!! Preloading software is just bad software engineering and is a poor attempt to hide underlying problems with the software. By preloading Konqueror there is exactly one single little performance problem fixed at the expense of memory usage and startup time.
Oh yeah it can be disabled so we have an excuse for people who actually care about the software running on their computer... People, it's enabled by default!

Get this "feature" out of KDE and fix the real performance problems.


By Daniel Mantione at Fri, 2003/05/23 - 5:00am

Preloading doesn't really increase startup time when done properly because it happens "in the background" once the desktop is loaded already. I don't see the harm and it can be very useful.
As a GNOME and Epiphany user, I don't have a problem with KDE doing this, even if it would be enabled by default. They should do whatever they can do to make the experience for their users more "pleasing". GNOME is doing practically the same because Nautilus is used to render the background, it's obviously loaded at startup.


By Spark at Sat, 2003/05/24 - 5:00am

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