DEC
24
2003

KDE Receives Generous Donation

KDE received a pleasant surprise this week when an anonymous well-wisher
donated $1000 to KDE e.V.
On behalf of everyone in the KDE community we would hereby like to thank our generous friend.
KDE e.V. uses donations to maintain the various KDE servers, to reimburse travel expenses for KDE related activities of KDE developers and for other activities that help to advance the goals of KDE. If you too wish to show your appreciation for the KDE project by making a donation you can use
the donation form on our website. Happy Holidays!

Comments

$ 7684.23 in donations in year 2003
$ 1810 in donations in year 2002

Thanks to all donors of course.. even small donations go a long way with the e.V


By anon at Wed, 2003/12/24 - 6:00am

KDE seems to produce a better desktop for these small amounts than Gnome does. Funny! Now, what is the KDE League for, and why do we need it? Does it still exist? (Yes I know this has been done before, but it had to be asked) We have KDE e V, which is non-profit, the way it should be in my opinion, and we have respected KDE Developers on it. It is also nice that they have announced this donation, and some news on how the money is spent would be good for the community as well. This would generate a snowball effect as more people are comfortable about contributing.


By David at Wed, 2003/12/24 - 6:00am

Read the "Some clarification on structure" section at http://www.kde.org/areas/kde-ev/meetings/2002.php


By Datschge at Wed, 2003/12/24 - 6:00am

Perhaps half a year later it is revealed that the anonymous donator was Michael Robertson. More Robertson stuff on KDE == more donations :-9

Hope he will come to Europe as a real person. I would like to meet him at CeBit 2004 nex year, Hanover, and listen to him. I just know his letters from his PR department that my Mozilla spam filter catches.


By Andy at Wed, 2003/12/24 - 6:00am

Does KDE e.V. have a store where you can buy a plush Konqi to support KDE? :-)


By AC at Wed, 2003/12/24 - 6:00am

That's a good Question. I'd like to have one of those in my office but I don't know where to get one.

If you're a Quanta fan kittyhooch.com has Quanta T-Shirts and mouse pads. I'm revising the artwork to show version 3.2 images.


By Eric Laffoon at Wed, 2003/12/24 - 6:00am

Or rent Eric Laffoon for advertisement. Eric drinks our beer...


By Gnometroll at Wed, 2003/12/24 - 6:00am

> Or rent Eric Laffoon for advertisement. Eric drinks our beer...

Well it had better be good beer. I'm not lending my name to swill after I've become a star with thousands of cat owners. If there's enough Quanta users to make me a recognizable beer spokes person then we have arrived. ;-)


By Eric Laffoon at Thu, 2003/12/25 - 6:00am

He probably drinks Treadmill anyway


By Simon at Thu, 2003/12/25 - 6:00am

> He probably drinks Treadmill anyway

Actually last time I had a beer IIRC was several months ago when I had lunch with my buddy Randal. We like to split a pitcher of the beer of the day and since we live in Oregon it's a microbrew ale. I believe it was a boysenberry hefeweizen. Since my grandfather owned a beer and wine importing business I learned early on the difference between lager, pilsner, ale and bathwater. There are some things not worth consuming... cheap lager, most processed meats, wine with a screw on cap, machine rolled cigars, sugary cola, condiments that ship in large plastic tubs, deep fat fried cheese, cheese that comes in a can... Life is too short to run bad software too. ;-)

The only treadmill I know is the one I run on in the gym for 20-30 minutes after I finish 45 minutes to an hour of very intense lifting. Unfortunately a good beer is about 15 minutes on the treadmill for me.


By Eric Laffoon at Thu, 2003/12/25 - 6:00am

Eric, your personality strength is revealed when we look at the name of your web development application: Quanta, not Kuanta! A real non-conformist!

:-)

Quanten means coll., pej. "foot" in German
also pl of quantum

Quantum = quantity, quanta = quantities?
engl./latin quanta = pl of quantum

Nil, nisi quanta dabis basia, corde moves

or in Markus, 5/19:
et non admisit eum sed ait illi vade in domum tuam ad tuos et adnuntia illis quanta tibi Dominus fecerit et misertus sit tui


By Andy at Thu, 2003/12/25 - 6:00am

Not KDE e.V., but the merchant donates a part of the prize to KDE:

http://lem.freibergnet.de/cgi-bin/fanshop/process/locale/en_US/page/06-001.html

For other stuff see
http://www.kde.org/stuff/


By Anonymous at Wed, 2003/12/24 - 6:00am

Check http://www.kde.org/stuff/ for T-Shirts, shirts, mugs, mousepads - and stuffed Konqis as well.


By Frerich Raabe at Wed, 2003/12/24 - 6:00am

> Kick some UserLinux Ass.

LMAO

Okay! Quanta plus is another application they won't have (and we are also raising funds for a meeting of Eric and Andras in the coming months). We're looking forward to being one of the most requested apps in the "You mean I can't get ____(Quanta Plus) on UserLinux? Can you recommend a better distro?" question. ;-)


By Eric Laffoon at Wed, 2003/12/24 - 6:00am

Eric, we *know* what we owe you.

Meeting you would be nice, too. Will you to Fosdem 04 in Brussels? Or are there other EU events where we can meet you?


By Gala Diener at Wed, 2003/12/24 - 6:00am

> Eric, we *know* what we owe you.

Uh-Oh! Hey I've been working out so I'm ready... oh, this must be one of the "all you can drink" beer offers. ;-)

> Meeting you would be nice, too. Will you to Fosdem 04 in Brussels? Or are there other EU events where we can meet you?

When is it? I have several factors that have changed affecting 2004 as compared to the last two years. For one my business is doing very good now so I can consider the travel expense... but the other is even more fun. Because Quanta is reaching a rather impressive stage in it's development I think there will be interest in presentations of it, as well as joining with other KDE presentations. It's customary to cover travel expense for speakers and as it happens I have a background in training and public speaking and really enjoy it. I'm looking forward to travelling to Europe and other places and meeting Quanta users. I can't think of anything more fun.

I will definitely be at the KDE conference in August. I may have an invite to LinuxTag in July and I'm submitting papers for several PHP events in 2004. I'm also very interested in any events like this that I may not yet be aware of feel free to email me.

It's possible that I may make 3 or 4 trips to Europe in 2004. Maybe more. If you are on the Quanta user list I will be posting there for any trips I make and if the Dot editors are interested there too. I look forward to meeting you.


By Eric Laffoon at Thu, 2003/12/25 - 6:00am

Cogitate quantis laboribus fundatum imperium, quanta virtute stabilitam libertatem, quanta deorum benignitate auctas exaggeratasque fortunas, una nox paene delerit.
Cicero

LinuxTag, that's nice..

Fosdem 2004
http://www.fosdem.org/


By Andy at Thu, 2003/12/25 - 6:00am

Something I've been thinking of for a couple of days now...

Userlinux sounds all, well...., how can I say..., pretty windows 98. And does not include what they actually want to do (heh heh heh).

How's about creating a Business Unix (Biznix) distribution? Based on Debian, why not, including GTK libraries, naturally, but having KDE as it's desktop, since:

- it is more user friendly
- it has better customization options for admins
- it bases on the QT libraries which are cross-platform (did I miss GTKopia?)
- QT is already supported by killerapp designer Adobe and others (if you are reading this, where is QTShop?).
- It just looks better. Don't forget users want looks. That is even the reason M$ painted there start button green in XP.
- QT looks good when you develop for windows as well. GTK solutions on windows always have this: designed for an 'old fashioned system' kinda look. Where QT just looks good.
- Businesses don't mind paying for software as long as it is supported.
- Businesses want supported software.
- QT is.

Nuff said.

What we need is a main Linux person. One everybody knows. It should be easy to get one, since KDE is the preferred desktop if you look at the linux journal lists.

Any volunteers here?

Jord


By Jord at Fri, 2003/12/26 - 6:00am

volunteers? how about this: there are people already working on this! check out the kde-debian project, for one ... the kde-debian@kde.org list should show up on lists.kde.org shortly, though it's been active for probably a month or so now..


By Aaron J. Seigo at Fri, 2003/12/26 - 6:00am

it's the holiday season, so it seems to be a good time to say this, and this article is about supporting KDE, so it seems to be a good place to say this:

here's a great big thank-you from me to everyone who contributes to KDE, be it with their blood, sweat and tears or with their pocketbook. i'm looking forward to an AWESOME 2004, and looking back on a thoroughly enjoyable 2003.

go KDE! =)


By Aaron J. Seigo at Wed, 2003/12/24 - 6:00am

Your donations system seems to be hidden. Why don't you publish your bank account. Why don't you use Penpal? Less than 10 000 EUR, this sounds riddiculous to me.


By Gerd at Wed, 2003/12/24 - 6:00am

You posted because:

a) You want to donate 10.000 euros and want to know more?
b) You have evidence in other direction?
c) You are amazed how few people give back?

Or...

d) You are a troll!

Hmmmmmmmmmmm.....


By Carlos Leonhard Woelz at Wed, 2003/12/24 - 6:00am

> a) You want to donate 10.000 euros and want to know more?

In that case you are lucky because thanks to the new EU regulations it is now possible to transfer up to 12.500 euros for the price of a domestic transfer.

Your bank can tell you more.

> d) You are a troll!

Tsk! No need to be unfriendly.


By Waldo Bastian at Wed, 2003/12/24 - 6:00am

You should definitely set up a Paypal account for donations, and consider also offering subscription/recurring type payments.

This makes it easy for the many US users who have paypal, and also many non-EU people who have paypal to make donations.

Personally I try to make giving me money the path of least resistance.
With a "donate $10" button or a "donate $ per month" button it's pretty damn easy.

It is a very slick system. (until you have problems that is)


By Simon at Thu, 2003/12/25 - 6:00am

Did you read the story? If so, did you follow the links? If so, did you see this one?

-----> http://www.kde.org/support/support.php <----

If I am not mistaken, this has a directly accessible paypal form on it, no?

Cheers,
Kurt


By Kurt Pfeifle at Thu, 2003/12/25 - 6:00am

I like the idea of recurring payments.. I signed up for the WineX distribution cuz i wanted to play DX games... and they keep charging me $5 every month.. and i keep letting them do it cuz im too lazy to cancel a mere $5 a month... i'd much rather that $5 go to KDE... i already do annual $20 donations (hey at least its something!), and i use KDE 100% of the time (even using KDE on my powerbook laptop as i write this cuz im getting sick of Quartz)


By dr.gonzo at Sat, 2003/12/27 - 6:00am

On
http://www.kde.org/areas/kde-ev/donations.php
you will also find the bank account details. Since July 2003 the fees for bank-transfers within the EU (Euro-zone) have been dramatically lowered for transactions based on the IBAN number so this is now indeed a viable option as well.

See this FAQ on cross-border money transfers in euros within the EU.


By Waldo Bastian at Wed, 2003/12/24 - 6:00am

Can I become a member of KDE e.V.? How much is the membership fee per year?


By Andy at Wed, 2003/12/24 - 6:00am

If you're a significant KDE contributor you can apply for membership. There is no fee at the moment.


By Anonymous at Wed, 2003/12/24 - 6:00am

You can also become a "supporting member", thereby donating a fee of your preference. Note that supporting members have no voting rights, though.


By Anonymous at Wed, 2003/12/24 - 6:00am

No, the currently active bylaws don't allow that.


By Anonymous at Wed, 2003/12/24 - 6:00am

Maybe a club like mandrake-club, but what are the advantages for members? Maybe if the new "KDE-Distro" is out. I take two :))


By Marc Tespe at Wed, 2003/12/24 - 6:00am

A real KDE user club can be a better representative of user interest than an elite corps like the FSF Europe that avoids broad membership. A rather open community , a user club with promoters, users and contributors of KDE can also be a good representative at the European level, e.G. in the case of software patents (the decision is not through yet). No technology focussed hacker2hacker org like the LUGs, but a community, with a social oriented approach.


By Gala Diener at Wed, 2003/12/24 - 6:00am

It is nice to see that we are receiving donations.

It would also be nice if Bill G. would "donate" (i.e. Court ordered damages) about $0.5G (half a [US] Billion). :-)

--
JRT


By James Richard Tyrer at Wed, 2003/12/24 - 6:00am

Perhaps you could request governmental donations/indirect funding. Gov paid usability tests, migration guides ecc.

Another idea would be to create a kind of GPL ASP Shareware system: Ask users to contribute, either in the form of money or code. Place a link to the contributions site in the KDE download section.


By possi at Wed, 2003/12/24 - 6:00am

> Perhaps you could request governmental donations/indirect funding. Gov paid
> usability tests, migration guides ecc.

I think that (in the US) Government funding should be limited to the internet.

However, we do already have Government paid usability tests -- the procurement process.

Some Government departments are using Open Source Software, does this constitute indirect funding?

Proper Government mandated standards for internet software used in interstate commerce would also help -- perhaps more than actual funding.

--
JRT


By James Richard Tyrer at Thu, 2003/12/25 - 6:00am

As Dr. Held, BMI


By Andy at Thu, 2003/12/25 - 6:00am

A proper support of EU minority language as declared in the Charter of Regional and Minority languages might receive Gov funding as well and makes KDE adoption in Govs easier as a fulfillment of the language diversity requirement gives a competitive advantage.

I once read an article at the EU level where a move to Linux was rejected by an EU official with the argument that too few languages were supported which is in fact not true. But: At the European level you could spread the news about the language diversity KDE has reached -- and the possibilities for languages diversity by FOSS.

Andre, FFII
http://www.ffii.org

Contact the responsible secretariat
or read the text of the charter here:
http://www.coe.int/T/E/Legal_Affairs/Local_and_regional_Democracy/Region...


By Andre, FFII at Thu, 2003/12/25 - 6:00am

>It would also be nice if Bill G. would "donate"

He did.
Why do you think that charges were basically dropped.


By a.c. at Thu, 2003/12/25 - 6:00am

http://www.abiword.com/information/news/2003/awn175.phtml

From Abiword Weekly(!) news:

"Unique contributors: 61*
paypal: 66
check : 3
cash : 1
*61: plusse 3 repeat offenders whom we love dearly

Contributions: $2311.84
Less paypal and other banking fees: $167.64 "

Well, now we know why Userlinux chose Gnome. Gnome is the money path.


By Gnometroll at Wed, 2003/12/24 - 6:00am

Those contributations are not just for the week, but rather overall.


By Rayiner Hashem at Thu, 2003/12/25 - 6:00am

Abiword is not a Gnome-application


By rinse at Thu, 2003/12/25 - 6:00am

I think the phrase you're searching for it "Abiword is not just a GNOME-application".


By Yellowboy at Thu, 2003/12/25 - 6:00am

You mean just like "Scribus is not just a KDE-application"?


By Datschge at Thu, 2003/12/25 - 6:00am

Well actually it is "Abiword is just not a GNOME-application"
I assume that an application should use Gnome-libraries in order to be a Gnome-application.


By rinse at Fri, 2003/12/26 - 6:00am

I believe if you looked at Abiword, there is an --enable-gnome configure option, that checks for bonobo, the gnome-libs, nautilus, and gnome-print.

Is that enough for you?
Abiword has many targets, you can build a plain GTK version or a GNOME version.


By Yellowboy at Fri, 2003/12/26 - 6:00am

So its a Linux application that has the possibility
of integrating with gnome.


By OI at Fri, 2003/12/26 - 6:00am

Eeep!

It is also a

* QNX
* Windows
* MacOS X (ok, port not official yet)

application.
I belive it could also be a QT/KDE app if somone ported it...


By monkeyboy at Tue, 2004/01/13 - 6:00am

You say it checks for bonobo: does it make itself a component and/or a container? Nothing to do with the thread, just a question.


By Roberto Alsina at Thu, 2004/01/29 - 6:00am

why you are so looser?

abiword it's a great application!


By me at Thu, 2004/01/29 - 6:00am

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