JAN
19
2004

KDE 3.2 Reaches Final Stage: Announcing Release Candidate 1

After over a year of development we're ready to announce the release of the first (and hopefully last) release candidate for KDE 3.2.0. Get it from download.kde.org or use Konstruct if you don't feel like calling configure by yourself. Due to the time constraints, don't expect distribution binaries, but they may pop up at download.kde.org URL too.

Comments

Almost ready, keep an eye on http://kde-redhat.sf.net/ (in the unstable repoositories).

-- Rex


By Rex Dieter at Wed, 2004/01/21 - 6:00am

Are you still working on this? I noticed that it seemed that most of the packages were there. After correcting most of the dependencies, I'm now getting this:

error: Failed dependencies:
libsensors.so.1 is needed by kdebase-3.1.95-0.fdr.0.rh90

But - I have libsensors.so.2 (from the lm_sensors-2.8.0-1 package and my present kde setup requires this package) which is newer than what the error is requesting.

Thanks,

Laura


By Laura at Wed, 2004/01/21 - 6:00am

Yep, about 1/2 done, still building... (to be finished probably in another 4-6 hours).

-- Rex


By Rex Dieter at Wed, 2004/01/21 - 6:00am

I am just switching over using fedora ISO disks.. from ..that other os. I was a mandrake 7.2 user before and loved the K desktop. Would love to see a really noobie install for fedora of KDE 3.2 rc1..

I can tar -xf stuff and run inits through sh clients.. but Im rather new on the Linux side. would like to get it going again..

ps www.americasarmy.com is a free game that is bleeding edge good, and FREE FOR LINUX.

ST-6_Machine
Jeremy


By jeremy at Sat, 2004/01/24 - 6:00am

update:

FYI
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2004-January/msg04520.html
...
"yes, KDE 3.1.95 rpms will be available on ftp.kde.org for FC1 this weekend ;-)

Than
"

big thanks to the fine folks at kde!


By lars at Wed, 2004/01/21 - 6:00am

building for fc1 seems to be complete now.
grab them at ftp://apt.kde-redhat.org/apt/kde-redhat/1/RPMS.unstable

many thanks to rex!!


By lars at Thu, 2004/01/22 - 6:00am

I've tried installing the rpms, but there seems to be a requirement for Themer >= 0:1.4 with kdebase. My installed version, and the latest I can find, is 1.3. Any ideas where I can get one that fits in with the rpm requirement?

Pip


By Pip at Thu, 2004/01/22 - 6:00am

1) KDevelop in RC1 compiling fails with bad function call (Mainwindow:251) (compiling under 3.2 b2) This kind of error is indicative of rushing to release.
2) PIM not completed but already has some major important changes in branch which could be merged in, maybe if given another month or two? PIM is supposed to be one of the killer apps in 3.2 - why ship a half completed one when you could have a great one in another month or two.
3) Pdf viewing and mime was badly mangled in b2 - not sure if fixed in RC1
4) no time for binaries? Allow the time so thorough beta testing is done.

Why not ship a few RC's for the next month or two until it's at a higher QA level and PIM changes merged in - no one likes delays but it's not like you are under stockholder pressure to ship.


By John at Tue, 2004/01/20 - 6:00am

kdepim will see an additional extra release in about 3 months. Have a look at http://developer.kde.org/development-versions/kdepim-3.3-release-plan.html


By birdy at Tue, 2004/01/20 - 6:00am

>>>1) KDevelop in RC1 compiling fails with bad function call (Mainwindow:251) (compiling under 3.2 b2) This kind of error is indicative of rushing to release.<<<

No, it's indicative of you assuming you can do something that you cannot (which is build KDevelop 3.0 RC1 on KDE-3.2b2).

KDevelop 3.0 RC1 needs KDE-3.2 RC1 (or KDE-3.0.x/3.1.x) to build, it's as simple as that.


By teatime at Tue, 2004/01/20 - 6:00am

Well, okay. With no binaries, we don't have the time to tie up a computer for hours (wasted 1 1/2 hours on just the failed KDevelop) - which means one less beta tester here - which gets back to my point of testing time. I don't know: maybe not enough people will ever test an RC or maybe they don't test because binaries are not available. Should be easy enough to run an experiment and find out - if not enough will test no matter what, well then go ahead and release quick, else release slower. Attn students: this would make a good paper.


By John at Tue, 2004/01/20 - 6:00am

KDevelop compiled perfectly on my Slackware-current. Actually I think it's the first time I managed to compile every package without a single issue.
Maybe a system cleanup would be appropriate? Or maybe it's just we do not have the same version of gcc/glibc/QT...


By Richard Van Den Boom at Tue, 2004/01/20 - 6:00am

I'd like to build KDE 3.2-rc1 on my FreeBSD box. However, when using Konstruct it goes to grab glib 2.2.3. The problem is that I already have glib 2.2.3 installed via ports. Does konstruct detect preinstalled dependencies and just doesn't see my glib for some reason? It seems to do the same thing with pkgconfig. Does konstruct just not check to see if I already have the software in question installed? I have the correct versions.

Thanks.


By Hiryu at Tue, 2004/01/20 - 6:00am

Does ports automatically install development files (includes, etc) .
Usually detection scripts triy to compile a test source file and if fails sum up it s missing.


By Alban at Tue, 2004/01/20 - 6:00am

99% of the time, it does. And I do know it does for glib.

Thanks for the response.


By Hiryu at Tue, 2004/01/20 - 6:00am

> Does konstruct just not check to see if I already have the software in question installed?

It installs everything for which it has definitions without checking. If you know that you have something installed, remove it from LIBDEPS line in the Makefiles and update with CVS to not loose your changes.


By Anonymous at Tue, 2004/01/20 - 6:00am

I was crushed to install KDE 3.1.4 and find out that it doesn't include the cool GLMatrix screensaver (even though many other xscreensaver savers work under KDE).

Digging through the Gentoo forums, I found a post stating that the kdeartwork package has a list of "useable" xscreensaver modules. Since GLMatrix isn't on this list, it isn't usable under KDE.

Anyone know if GLMatrix (and other missing modules) will be there when I emerge kde next month?

PS - I also wish the random screensaver mode could be configured to choose from a list of screensavers. Yes, I know screensavers aren't a big deal to most people but they are fun :)


By Rimmer at Tue, 2004/01/20 - 6:00am

it's already there in kde before any 3.2 beta releases, i use it without any problem.
http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-cvs&m=106657044628526&w=2


By rzr at Tue, 2004/01/20 - 6:00am

I assume you mean that this in KDE 3.1.5? It's not there in 3.1.4 for me (I'm using Gentoo).


By Rimmer at Thu, 2004/01/22 - 6:00am

Nope, it's not in 3.1.5 either, and btw. I'm running Gentoo also. Why KDE doesn't just show every XScreensaver screensaver in the list is beyond me.


By TX at Sun, 2004/02/01 - 6:00am

quite old posting, but I couldn't find anything else about this bug (?) so far ...

The problem is that although the files glmatrix.desktop and xmatrix.desktop both exists, but in some translations (e. g. german) they have the same name. As a workaround you could edit glmatrix.destop (or both files) with your favorite editor and change the translation of your language.

For example: change
Name[de]=Matrix
to
Name[de]=MatrixGL
if you're german.

Regards,
Christian Stadler


By Christian Stadler at Wed, 2005/04/13 - 5:00am

you may need to upgrade to the latest version of xscreensaver. That's what I had to do. (I'm using latest KDE CVS).


By Anonymous at Tue, 2004/01/20 - 6:00am

Is there any volunteer to make Mandrake RPMS?

Marcin


By Manux at Tue, 2004/01/20 - 6:00am

They've been built in cooker.


By Richard Jones at Tue, 2004/01/20 - 6:00am

does anyone know if there are plans to do a contrib .rpm for mdk9.2 for the real kde 3.2 release? i would love to use kde 3.2, but right now i'm v. v. happy with mdk9.2 and i don't think i'll want to use cooker or mdk10.0 in production...


By spiff at Tue, 2004/01/20 - 6:00am

The Cooker RPM'S works fein on my mdk9.2


By Galosche at Wed, 2004/01/21 - 6:00am

VEry glad to see that the first company to provide binary rpms is SuSE.
Should put some minds at ease about suses commitment to KDE ...


By Gerhard den Hol... at Tue, 2004/01/20 - 6:00am

I have no idea what changed in the build system between KDE 3.1.94 and 3.1.95 but since the KDE3.1.5 release a few days ago, all SuSE 8.1 RPMs require a glibc3.2.2 system while SuSE 8.1 is still based on 2.2.5

I wonder whose idea this has been- not so brilliant as the consequences are noticed *after* download while trying to install the first packages.

Oliver


By Oliver Fels at Tue, 2004/01/20 - 6:00am

not for me and

rpm -qp --requires arts*rpm | grep libc.so

do only list glibc 2.0-2.2 symbols.

Are you sure that you did not download the wrong packages ?


By Micha at Tue, 2004/01/20 - 6:00am

I really hope the Kmail team included the best feature in express, ever.
The one where you can't save received pdf:s, because of virus riscs.

Great feature, probably BG hacked that one in himself. :-)


By OI at Tue, 2004/01/20 - 6:00am

Talk about freedom to do what you want with your software!

Of course, AFAIK Outlook still opens malicious HTML messages without you even opening them!


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By outlook at Mon, 2005/05/16 - 5:00am

But it protects you from those terrible, executable gifs!

Imagine an executable Goatse... Aren't you glad that OE blocks everything, now?


By Dawnrider at Tue, 2004/01/20 - 6:00am

I can't compile RC1 using Konstruct-20040119, it hangs somewhere in kdegraphics :

checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.2) (library qt-mt) not found. Please check your installation!
For more details about this problem, look at the end of config.log.
Make sure that you have compiled Qt with thread support!
make[1]: *** [configure-work/kdegraphics-3.1.95/configure] Erreur 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/pemessier/Programmes/konstruct-20040119/kde/kdegraphics'
make: *** [dep-../../kde/kdegraphics] Erreur 2

All I did is "cd meta/everything" and "make install". All other stuff, including QT, was downloaded and compiled automatically. Any ideas why it hangs just there in kdegraphics ? Beta1 compiled just fine though...


By SiLiZiUMM at Tue, 2004/01/20 - 6:00am

Check the following:

- you're running as the same user
- you've set $QTDIR in your .bash files, eg. $QTDIR=/opt/qt32
Then log out and in again.


By Anonymous at Tue, 2004/01/20 - 6:00am

The $PATH and $QTDIR are (and were) correct and point to the new RC dir (~/kde3.2-rc), so it still won't work...


By SiLiZiUMM at Tue, 2004/01/20 - 6:00am

I ran into the same problem; setting the environment variables manually doesn't seem to help either.


By crabstic at Wed, 2004/01/21 - 6:00am

I had a similar problem, both using a Konsole and under init 2


By Till Adam at Wed, 2004/01/21 - 6:00am

I researched this problem on my machine and it turned out to be a dependancy with the sane libraries (sane being scanned libs) You might look into that...

_jeremy


By jeremy at Thu, 2004/02/12 - 6:00am

If you use KDE and like what the developers are doing for it, be sure to let them know by helping out or donating a sum of money.

Again, KDE IS NOT ASKING FOR DONATIONS as much as they should. Hence, they aren't getting as many as they deserve or even close to as many as GNOME.

GNOME for example prominently features on their website with a big banner "New Year's Resolution: Support the GNOME Foundation" and also taking a large chunk of the page is this message:

"The GNOME Foundation
With hundreds of thousands of new users taking advantage of GNOME at Brazilian Telecentros and at schools in Extremadura, now is a good time to make a donation to the GNOME Foundation. To help, become a Friend of GNOME or increase your current level of sponsorship. With your contribution, the GNOME foundation can bring GNOME to the developing world and defray expenses for independent developers and students coming to conferences like GUADEC and the GNOME Summit in 2004.

All contributions are tax-deductible in the U.S.

Special thanks to our generous friends, and remember that every donation is important."

When will KDE get it! Donations don't just drop down from the sky into your lap! You have to actively encourage users to donate and provide incentive. The GNOME Friends program is a great way to do this, they provide different levels with different benefits, mostly symbolic, but still important. KDE doesn't show the need for donations half as much as GNOME yet GNOME gets more donations. The KDE team would not even place something like GNOME has on the front page about donations because it is somehow in bad taste. WHY?

If you too think KDE isn't doing enough to encourage donations, vote here: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=63868


By Alex at Tue, 2004/01/20 - 6:00am

> they aren't getting as many as they deserve or even close to as many as GNOME

I have never seen figures how much GNOME gets (from users, not from companies). Please enlighten me.


By Anonymous at Tue, 2004/01/20 - 6:00am

Begging?


By Anonymous at Tue, 2004/01/20 - 6:00am

Alex,

"The KDE team would not even place something like GNOME has on the front page about donations because it is somehow in bad taste. WHY?"

That is because you are supposed to develop KDE because it makes sense to you, not because you are paid for it.

I personally want no sponsored desktop development. I rather prefer to take what clever people come up to solve their problems with in a easy way.

This may be shocking to you. But KDE is about to win over Gnome, mostly because the bad feel created in Gnome about the commericialism.

Yours,
Kay


By Debian User at Tue, 2004/01/20 - 6:00am

This may be shocking to you. But KDE is about to win over Gnome, mostly because the bad feel created in Gnome about the commericialism.
--------
That's delusional. Its the commercialism that will help out GNOME the most in the end. If Linux on the desktop becomes a reality, and there is indeed a shakeout of desktops, it will be the commercial interests that decide "who wins." The community may drive development, but technical quality means little in the computer market, and commercial interests drive adoption.


By Rayiner Hashem at Tue, 2004/01/20 - 6:00am

> technical quality means little in the computer market

Or much if you have something to gain from it.


By KA at Tue, 2004/01/20 - 6:00am

The history of the computing market should be enough to prove to anyone that superior technology means nothing without other factors at play. The computer industry is riddled with great technical achievements that have been monumental failures. The products that have become successful are almost universally mediocre.

You can't gain anything from good technology alone. Its a great complement to other factors, but means little by itself.


By Rayiner Hashem at Wed, 2004/01/21 - 6:00am

Well, the reason why companies with good technology lost is because they didn´t make enough money to survive.

If we don´t expect to win any money, that should not be a factor ;-)


By Roberto Alsina at Wed, 2004/01/21 - 6:00am

> Well, the reason why companies with good technology lost is because they didn´t make enough money to survive.

I'm afraid I have to agree with this. I'm really getting tired of hearing about all the commercial support behind GNOME and how it's gloom and doom for KDE. Horse crap. I want software for me and if you want it great and if not I'm not going to cry about it. As someone who understands marketing and does promote a successful application within KDE I personally think there is massive confusion on this issue, and that confusion doesn't serve KDE.

The big folly of this argument is as follows:
1) Linux on the sever - it was a grass roots entry
2) The rise of MS - they came up with the home user and fought companies like Novell and IBM
3) In spite of all this big talk KDE continues to win users choice awards and technical accolades with software a year behind what we're producing.

A lot of arguments can be made over this, and none of them produce any damn code... which is what people will base their decisions on. Unless you have millions of dollars you're ready to dump into promotion or tens of thousands you want to put into development it's pretty pointless.

Here's clue one in open source... if there is something you really think should be being done, and it's not, maybe you should research it further? Those doing something have probably already come close to exhausting their time, talent and funds. What a concept. ;-)

As the saying goes, "don't believe anything you hear and only half of what you see" or to quote Samuel Clemmons, "Rumors of my death have been greatly exaggerated". KDE is on the smart path, like the Linux kernel, with limited entanglements and helpful support. Let's play the game with our hearts and stop listening to the desperate heckling that is trying to repeat lies until people believe them and make them true.

M$ is on top because of a singular commitment to be there no matter what it takes. KDE is on top on the Linux desktop because of a singular commitment to produce the best software we can. I would rather be with KDE for the right reasons than with anybody else for any other reason! No external factor is going to make me do more or less, and I believe in the reasonable people who will choose software I produce because they believe it is best for them. Our team will make it's presence felt though innovation!

The lessons in the open source world are obvious and consistent... Linux is promoted by companies because it is important to their efforts and not tied to any one company. Open source has prevailed because it's been developed without the financial overhead of traditional development paradigms. Why is it that we are willing to believe the keys to our success will bring about our doom because of the shouting from those cashing in and trading off control while changing their vision?

If finances are the key why didn't MS money unseat Quicken? For us victory is not monopoly but diversity, but for our software victory is in proving the merit of our ideals. Here's an advanced marketing quiz... Ford's Edsel was both technologically advanced and heavily advertised as the new flagship in the 1950s. Why did both technical superiority and marketing fail? Let's not over simplify our observations and miss the point.

Want to see good things happen? Take action. The only way to fail is to not take action.


By Eric Laffoon at Thu, 2004/01/22 - 6:00am

> You can't gain anything from good technology alone

Well, not money of course. You can not just sit there in a closet thinking "Hey! I've got the best tech and now I'll become rich! rich!...", obviously you have to do something more. But clearly, good tech helps.


By KA at Wed, 2004/01/21 - 6:00am

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