KDE 3.3.1 has been released. This latest and greatest from KDE mercilessly exterminates bugs in Konqueror, KHTML, the KDE Edutainment module, the KDE JuK box and more. Better yet, Plastik is now ridiculously fast and has become a strong contender for the default style in KDE 3.4. Also, the Quanta Web Development tool has been enhanced and now has the VPL (Visual Page Layout aka WYSIWYG) mode enabled. For the gory details, read the KDE 3.3.1 changelog.
But wait... How do you get your hands on all this goodness? We have binary packages and source packages and then we have Konstruct (details). So there.
And btw, translations have been greatly improved in this release.
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There's something you can take to cure those excess exclamation marks you know. You needn't suffer forever!
Also, you can't solve everything at the KDE level, sorry. Additionally, just because he solved it at the Qt level, it does not mean he didn't use "standart methods".
Hi Max!
(note only one exclamation mark)
That was certainly fun. But "standart methods" aren't where it's at as much as Eye candy. I thought I'd look to see if there were any questions or comments to respond to on Quanta, especially since it got in the headline... You know, four years of passionate work and sacrifice. I've been proud how well it's received. Frankly I still think Keramik is just fine and can't get excited over Plastik. But hey, it's all fluff, style without substance, though the visual feedback in this patch looks nice. Anyway at aKademy I was very pleased that both Quanta and Kommander were one after the other in the top 10 on kde-apps.org highest rated. Kommander slipped because we have to do a new release, but I was surprised to see that this patch is rated higher than Quanta. I don't feel bad about many of the fine applications being in between Quanta and Kommander... like Scribus, amaroK, KFormDesigner, KDevelop, Kile and Kontact, but I wonder what it says about KDE and what it says to KDE developers when the demand and appreciation of eye candy is so disproportionate to application software.
I have a theory. When someone uses an application there are lots of things it has to do and invariably there will be some aspect they don't like and for that they will vote it down. If someone doesn't like eye candy they just ignore it but if they like it the only thing it has to do is continue to look good. There isn't really anything to "find out" about it and get disappointed over.
If this site's measure of success was talkbacks then every story should be about what default theme we should use. As I write this there are 46 posts, 14 of which are _not_ about visuals leaving about 70% of the talkbacks here on visuals.
For years I thought all Windows users wanted was cute visuals, but the most stunning visuals are clearly on the Mac and it hasn't gotten them world domination. Maybe KDE is getting disenfranchised Windows users who wanted better visuals? What I have always liked about KDE is that it is a productive environment for me to get work done in. Maybe I should work less and stare at it more. ;-)
[staring...]
Hey! This application is in the way of my wallpaper! Who put that there!?
I think things are simpler than that, actually, Eric.
Visual fluff potentially touches everyone.
Quanta potentially touches Web developers.
And the group 'Web developers' is but a small fraction of the group 'everyone'.
In short, this patch's rating doesn't mean -anything- comparatively to Quanta. Ask any Web developer if they'd rather have eye candy or Quanta, and see what they answer. :)
I think there's another part to the explanation as well. People who have the time to browse around kde-look and similar community sites, try out the latest stuff and even care enough to vote, are probably not the same people who use application software to get actual work done.
More importantly, quanta only touches a portion of the web developer group. I've tried using it before, and while a nice app, it doesn't provide any features that I have seen that make me want to use it. It also lacks split screen editing, a critical feature in my book.
Greg
try it again
The last time I compiled it was last month, and it still really didn't seem to give me much over kate. I did like the project support, it felt a bit more natural than kate's project support. What is it that I'm missing? Quanta seems to be good at document markup, but that's all I see.
well, for me the wysiwyg support is very nice... but indeed, for just editting pages, kate is very nice too. but if you want to work with php, quanta is very good. and the templates and wizards can get you going very fast.
I guess that's the difference for me. I do a lot of work in PHP, but it is very rare that I ever touch HTML in the course of my coding.
Of course, I would never take that patch over Quanta if it was one or the other, but this is a rating system, not all or nothing. Quanta is certainly far more important to KDE and the LinuxWorld than that eyecandy.
However, at least when I rate, I take into account what it is meant to do. For eyecandy, I think it deserves that score, there are few competing projects on kde-apps.org which offer that level of eyecandy. I rate it based on its category. Otherwise, I would be comparing apples and oranges.
In addition, the rating system is terribly flawed. It's either an application is "bad" or "good", there is no middleground. It should be a rating system from 1-10, that would provide more accurate representation. I rarely think something is actually bad on KDE-LOOK.org and so I vote for most applications as good. However, often I would like to vote great instead of good, such as in the case of Quanta.
I think this generally explains this.
It seems that fish doesn't work with KDE 3.3.1 - oh well, I hope this gets fixed soon... :-(
Make sure to file a bugreport.
Seems I'm not the only one having this problem:
http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=91107
Fish works with me. I installed KDE 3.3.1, as an upgrade on 3.3 with SuSE 9.0 last night and I have seen no problems so far.
Strange. I thought it might have been an AMD64 issue, but the bugreport on bugs.kde.org came from a x86 user...
same problem here
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# gcc --version
gcc (GCC) 3.4.2 (Gentoo Linux 3.4.2-r2, ssp-3.4.1-1, pie-8.7.6.5)
kde-3.3.1
System uname: 2.6.9-gentoo i686 Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1700MHz
Gentoo Base System version 1.5.1
ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="x86 ~x86"
CFLAGS="-O2 -march=pentium3 -msse2 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer -funroll-loops -falign-functions=4"
CXXFLAGS=$CFLAGS
)
just upgraded glibc
from glibc-2.3.4.20041006 (?)
to glibc-2.3.4.20041021
reboot
now fish seems to work again :-)
but kate still fails saving remote files. On the other hand kwrite can do so.
regards, jan
ack on Gentoo Linux - but that's for bugs.kde.org and enough people already complained there. I'd just like to recommend Gentoo users to use KDE 3.3.0 for now as my experience with KDE 3.3.1 on Gentoo are all bad. Like kate. I tried to open a fish once in Kate, now kate is bugging me every freaking time I open it with a dialog box asking for freaking password on a location I tried to fish:// a few hours after upgrading. It wants the password, but no matter how many times I type it correctly it still just keeps on showing the same stupid dialog box. There are some other issues with 3.3.1 too, but those also belong somewhere else. Honestly, I wanted to write a review of KDE 3.3.1 for linuxreviews.org and write about how it's improved, but now, after using it, I just don't want to because it would all be too negative and destroy the spirit of the developers who, despite how poor the latest version is, do throw a very generous and enormous amount of their free time into KDE.
seem to be broken on OpenBSD 3.6-snapshots (as of 11/2/04) as well. i've had a couple other problems with it as well, that i'm attributing to being on a BSD.
Hi guys,
What are these .xdelta files all about? I know they are like binary diffs but where can I get the actual xdelta utility? I found something that claimed to be beta at www.xdelta.org. Is this the thing I should use? Thanks in advance.
www.xdelta.org is the right site, be sure to pick up xdelta 1.
Perhaps:
http://freshmeat.net/projects/xdelta/
Yup, I found it. It has stable version dated by 2001. So I tried it and it worked.
BTW, doaes someone have an idea why xdelta's are for .tar, not .tar.bz2? I think the latter would be much more convenient...
The xdelta files created for the tar files are smaller.
Delta compression (differencing) sucks against compressed files- a single byte change in the new version can result in all bytes after N in the output stream differing.
Differencers are ran against uncompressed data, then the patch is compressed (automatically with xdelta) to minimize the patch size....
../mcopidl/mcopidl -t /usr/local/src/CVS/X11/KDE/arts/flow/artsflow.idl
/usr/local/src/CVS/X11/KDE/arts/flow/artsflow.idl: warning: Arts::WaveDataHandle::load (method) collides with Arts::WaveDataHandle::load (method)
make[3]: *** [artsflow.cc] Segmentation fault (core dumped)
make[3]: *** Deleting file `artsflow.cc
Linux, glibc 2.3.3, GCC 3.4.2, Qt 3.3.3 (from qt-copy).
I found the same error from a FreeBSD user - http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-current/2004-March/024258.html . But on my system it's the first thing to fail, so I don't think it's hosed.
Another, now also for Linux - http://lists.debian.org/debian-qt-kde/2004/08/msg00316.html
So, it isn't happy with GCC 3.4.x and --enable-final, what I also used.
The Quanta web pages is very much out of date. Not a good advertisement for a web development tool. Even the screenshots are from 3.0/3.1!!
As you can read there: "This site is in the process of being replaced"
I'm mostly pleased with every new KDE release, but IMHO every time KDM has been changed, it has been changed to even worse. First the "Session type" was moved, now I can't even find the button for reset X!
Please, do something about KDM! It was so much more convenient when you could choose the session type directly without navigating on some stupid menus.
Puh-leeze!
Oh no. Yeah I really get annoyed when KDM makes these weird changes. :(
Do you have a screenshot?
Looks like that does 'nt works anymore.
To forward a mesage with a attachment imbedded :( instead of the mail forwarded complete ???????
Did it ever work? Far as I know outleak is the only mailer that does this.
Save and attach seem to be the only option.
But this would be very nice to have.