AUG
10
2005

KDE 3.5 Alpha 1 Finally on FTP

To begin the KDE 3.5 release cycle, I uploaded KDE 3.5 Alpha 1 to the FTP servers. We're facing some trouble that is typical for an Alpha release, but it also brings some nice KDE 3.5 features to your desktop. The easiest way to try it is the KDE 3.5 Alpha Live CD or compile it yourself with the Konstruct build script.

But compile it only if you have the place and the time to help with debugging it (pass --enable-debug to "configure"). Please report bugs to bugs.kde.org and feel welcome to join the KDE Quality team to improve its quality in general. And don't forget: it might be the last KDE 3 Alpha release you have the chance to try - don't let the chance pass by!

Comments

...noo? ;-)


By Martin at Wed, 2005/08/10 - 5:00am

I was wondering why good news such a very easy-to-use OSes based on FreeBSD such as PC-BSD and DesktopBSD, which they ship with only one DE: KDE, aren't news here in www.kde.org
BTW, I think FreeBSD + KDE is a great combo!!! Keep up the good work guys!!!


By Anonymous at Wed, 2005/08/10 - 5:00am

Um, there was an article on them a while ago.


By Ian Monroe at Thu, 2005/08/11 - 5:00am

I meant here at dot.kde.org not /.


By Anonymous at Thu, 2005/08/11 - 5:00am

So did Ian, I guess: http://dot.kde.org/1114514258/


By cm at Thu, 2005/08/11 - 5:00am

thanks!


By Anonymous at Thu, 2005/08/11 - 5:00am

But, isn't BSD dead?

Yours, Kay


By Debian Troll at Thu, 2005/08/11 - 5:00am

Trolls, I love trolls!


By Anonymous at Thu, 2005/08/11 - 5:00am

"DesktopBSD is the latest easy to install BSD aimed squarely at the desktop. Installation screen shots. From their site: 'DesktopBSD aims at being a stable and powerful operating system for desktop users. DesktopBSD combines the stability of FreeBSD, the usability and functionality of KDE and the simplicity of specially developed software to provide a system that's easy to use and install.' DesktopBSD joins the ranks of PC-BSD and FreeSBIE." - /..

screenshots


By chris at Wed, 2005/08/10 - 5:00am

well done, KDE developers :D

i've been running SVN for some time, and i really like what i see - KDE 3.5 seems to be progressing nicely. not only feature-wise, but also in stabillity - i rarely encounter problems!


By superstoned at Thu, 2005/08/11 - 5:00am

Hi. I know that there is documentation already on how to obtain KDE code via SVN, but I have to admit that I am still a bit confused with the process. Can you help me by telling me exactly what part of the tree you are fetching? Are you using arts or akode? None of this has been very well documented.


By NeedsHelp at Thu, 2005/08/11 - 5:00am

hi!

i use gentoo, so i use the Gentoo SVN ebuilds:
http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-331588-postdays-0-postorder-asc-sta...

if you don't have gentoo, i can recommend kdesvn-build:
http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=23840

in both cases, arts is build. i use arts, indeed. works fine for me, and its the default KDE multimedia framework... KDE4 might bring something better, tough.


By superstoned at Thu, 2005/08/11 - 5:00am

I appreciate you providing this link here. I had not seen it prior to today even though I have seen many other KDE and SVN documents. How possible is it to use these utilities with the trunk or KDE 4 code?


By Confused at Thu, 2005/08/11 - 5:00am

i'm sure it is possible, i think you just have to read the documentation or check the (wiki)website...


By superstoned at Thu, 2005/08/11 - 5:00am

http://quality.kde.org/develop/cvsguide/buildstep.php

even after reading that, you have trouble? They have given which brance to fetch and how.
arts is needed to build even kde-3.5 . that is also written there and I saw it too when building.


By Vinay Khaitan at Thu, 2005/08/11 - 5:00am

Are there any kubuntu debs for those of us who like to live on the bleeding edge?


By Tim Sutton at Thu, 2005/08/11 - 5:00am

Yeah, would be awesome, alpha1 deb's for kubuntu with full debugging enabled! Would make it easy to help out :d


By Bart Verwilst at Thu, 2005/08/11 - 5:00am

And if they were installable in parallel to the stable version it would be even better.


By cm at Thu, 2005/08/11 - 5:00am

bugs.kde.org just died...
where do I submit it :P


By Mark Hannessen at Thu, 2005/08/11 - 5:00am

Well, it's online again. So please bug us!!! ;)


By Bram Schoenmakers at Thu, 2005/08/11 - 5:00am

I can't wait for the first 3.5 RC to come out (it's the point i usually start having courage to compile the beast and do some testing).

I have two questions though:

1 - Is konki gecko integration coming out in 3.5 or will it be delayed until 4.0 comes out? Or was it again alpha-vapor-developer-lost-interest-ware?

2 - I know superkaramba will morph into plasma for 4.0, but the integration will be almost complete in 3.5? example, can i use the kde framework (like the kde proxy) with current karamba themes (liquidweather comes to my mind).

Anyway, if both questions are negatives, it will still be a very good release, at least it will let me have something to hang on in the painfull wait for kde 4.0... ahh so many months till...


By Paulo Dias at Thu, 2005/08/11 - 5:00am

i'm afraid the answers to both questions will be negative. superkaramba will just be included in KDE 3.5, not much more integrated as it is now (latest rc-version supports KGHNS). not sure about gecko, but it think you can forget it...


By superstoned at Thu, 2005/08/11 - 5:00am

Yeah, i was suspecting just that, i'm using superkaramba 0.37-rc2 which indeed has support for KGHNS for installing and deinstalling, i guess i'll have to wait for 4.0 :)

Gecko on the other hand has been a false promise since the first announcement in the first akademy... it worked as a showcase, but the main developer lost interest, then was asked to finish the work, and that was the last i heard from gecko integration in konki.

Thanks for your responde.


By Paulo Dias at Thu, 2005/08/11 - 5:00am

You should use for svn, rather than sit around waiting for the RC. Overall I think you'd find current svn more stable than most previous KDE RC's. And you even get the benefit of, in some cases, instant feedback/bugfixes for the problems you report:-)


By Morty at Fri, 2005/08/12 - 5:00am

> Is konki gecko integration coming out in 3.5 or will it be delayed until 4.0 comes out? Or was it again alpha-vapor-developer-lost-interest-ware?

Firefox/Qt is being worked on (Mozilla Bugzilla #297788) which will likely also bring Gecko integration into Konqueror. But don't expect it to ship as part of a KDE release when it's ready.


By Anonymous at Fri, 2005/08/12 - 5:00am

nice to hear that, i don't need it to be part of a kde release, since i know my way around cvs/svn and i always compile my own kde :)
I'll be watching for the mozilla bugzilla then. Thanks for the feedback :)


By Paulo Dias at Fri, 2005/08/12 - 5:00am

Hi,

I'm posting this from the klax live cd :-)

First a question: Is it compiled with gcc4 and -fvisibility-hidden?

My first impression (I might be wrong) is that, optically and functionally
not many changes are visible. Maybe it's under the hood...

Note some personal observations (fully aware this is alpha, just FYI):

- "Add Applet to panel" shows many applets twice
Same for Configure KDE panel->Menus->Optional Menus
- KDE apps still flicker more than gnome apps :-(
Switch tabs and have konqueror scrollbars flicker
Open new tab and have complete tabbar flicker
...hopefully Qt4 will help
- The fonts look great
- The plastik window decoration looks refreshened, due to the white symbols
- konqueror is a great browser
- RMB on kicker->lock panel is great, but too restricted. it should only lock
the panel, and not it's config possibility. hmm...
- the applet handles should go to /dev/null
Applets should be moveable with ALT-Mouse. That would render the handles obsolete
- konqueror adblock is cool, but konq is getting featuritis...
even on fullscreen (1280x960) I have to scroll in the settings dialog's left iconbar

Congrats to the KDE devs, I can't wait for 3.5 and I personally hope it will be in debian sid as soon as its released :-)


By ac at Thu, 2005/08/11 - 5:00am

... and I forgot, thanks to you Stephan for making klax ! :-)


By ac at Thu, 2005/08/11 - 5:00am


By ac at Thu, 2005/08/11 - 5:00am

confirmed :( khtml rendering problem.


By Asif Ali Rizwaan at Thu, 2005/08/11 - 5:00am

All loaded and displayed nicely(no obvious missrendering) using svn 20050806.

Personally I think the poor release dude had really bad luck when tagging the alpha, and got a a snapshot of svn in the worst shape it has been for weeks. In the last two months I have had nearly no issues at all with svn, some annoyances but nothing bad. Sometimes I have encountered build problems, but it's expected with . The worst problem have been couple of apps crashing on exit(Konqueror and Kicker), and that's really not a big problem:-)


By Morty at Fri, 2005/08/12 - 5:00am

> First a question: Is it compiled with gcc4 and -fvisibility-hidden?

No, Slackware is still gcc 3.3 based.

> - "Add Applet to panel" shows many applets twice

You can also see the entries in khelpcenter being listed twice. Afaik it's considered a bug within unionFS (which allows the modules feature and you to virtually write on running LiveCD like installing more software). Newer Knoppix releases with a stable KDE show it too. :-(


By Anonymous at Fri, 2005/08/12 - 5:00am

Actually, that's a problem with normal KDE (3.4.x and ealier) on a normal install: if I change an application's properties, the new .desktop file gets stored locally under ~/.kde and I get to see two identically named entries in the K-menu. That's stupid and confusing; I don't know which is which. Duplicates should not be allowed (use name as key), and locally defined entries should take preference over the system ones.

-- Steve


By Steve at Fri, 2005/08/12 - 5:00am

- KDE apps still flicker more than gnome apps :-(
Switch tabs and have konqueror scrollbars flicker
Open new tab and have complete tabbar flicker
...hopefully Qt4 will help
-------------------

the switch-tab-flicker is fixed already. the flickering of KDE-apps will most likely be fixed with Qt4, yes. esp the hardware acceleration will help, i think...


By superstoned at Fri, 2005/08/12 - 5:00am

As klax seem to be on the cutting-edge, where's xorg-server-0.99.1+?

Would be really nice to be able to test those exa and other eye-candy extensions (and would run fine with r300+, heh) with such unstable distro, and not to be forced to either wait 3+ months for some stable distribution release or by trying to compile the whole thing from scratch...


By Nobody at Sat, 2005/08/13 - 5:00am

Klax base is Slackware which is not cutting edge, see gcc comment.


By Anonymous at Sat, 2005/08/13 - 5:00am

Hi i downloaded Klax 3.5 alpha live cd to try out KDE 3.5
from:

wget http://ktown.kde.org/~binner/klax/klax-kde-3.5-alpha.iso

then i check the *.md5

wget http://ktown.kde.org/~binner/klax/klax-kde-3.5-alpha.iso.md5

[real@genio Klax]$ md5sum klax-kde-3.5-alpha.iso
9ee62eab17cf78da06ad278e3bd426d5 klax-kde-3.5-alpha.iso

[real@genio Klax]$ cat klax-kde-3.5-alpha.iso.md5
9ee62eab17cf78da06ad278e3bd426d5 klax-kde-3.5-alpha.iso

then i burned the cd, when i boot the cd i keep on getting KERNEL PANIC, then y try all the options boot (F1) and keep getting the same KERNEL PANIC...

More details of my problem here:

http://www.powers.cl/real/index.php?subaction=showfull&id=1124640396&arc...

Did someone got a similar problem? or is just a fuck*ng bug?

GO KDE GO!!! =)


By REAL at Sun, 2005/08/21 - 5:00am

Did you verify the burned CD? Tried to rewrite/burn another?


By Anonymous at Sun, 2005/08/21 - 5:00am