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KDE2 release schedule update

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Posted by Navindra Umanee on Tuesday 26/Sep/2000, @10:33
from the coming-soon-to-a-kmart-near-you dept.
The KOffice hack session is over, and Matthias Elter is back with a new KDE2 release schedule. While some of the details are still being discussed (hotly), in essence, RC1 will be released on Monday October 2, and the final tarballs will be created on Monday October 9. The public release will follow on Monday October 16. Note that the next KDE will be named KDE 2.0, contrary to what the announcement says. Woo!

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Re: KDE2 release schedule update
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Re: KDE2 release schedule update
by reihal on Tuesday 26/Sep/2000, @14:25

After reading the thread in the mailing-list, may I suggest the ultimate sales pitch:

KDE 2001 - one up on Windows

(sorry, couldn't stop myself)

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Re: KDE2 release schedule update by Matthias Lange on Wednesday 27/Sep/2000, @05:12

Re: KDE2 release schedule update
by Zeljko Vukman on Tuesday 26/Sep/2000, @15:10

I'm worried. Kde2 beta has too many bugs. Konqueror crushes even more than two weeks ago,
Kpackage can't install anything etc. I installed
every package of Kde2 since 1.92 release, but unfortunatelly must say that preview release of Nautilus runs more stable than Konqueror. Good luck to Kde developers.

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Re: KDE2 release schedule update by KDE User on Tuesday 26/Sep/2000, @15:18
Re: KDE2 release schedule update by Martijn Klingens on Tuesday 26/Sep/2000, @15:54
Re: KDE2 release schedule update by Mirko Saam on Wednesday 27/Sep/2000, @01:08

Re: KDE2 release schedule update by Hetz on Sunday 01/Oct/2000, @07:24

Re: KDE2 release schedule update by Gunter Ohrner on Monday 02/Oct/2000, @01:15

Re: KDE2 release schedule update
by Brian Hartman on Tuesday 26/Sep/2000, @17:32

I like what I've seen of KDE 2.0 so far, but I have a few issues: 1) It seems to be very difficult to upgrade, particularly from Beta3 to the later betas. I've been trying to get Beta5 up and running on Red Hat 6.9 (Pinstripe) with no success, and right now, my Beta3 installation even seems to be broken. Not good. I hope that any future release will have a simplified upgrade procedure that will deal with issues like setting KDEDIR and QTDIR, both of which have been giving me fits. 2) I have to agree with an earlier comment about Konqueror. I hope it gets more stable. To be fair, it's got some nice features I haven't seen elsewhere, but it definitely has a tendency to crash on my machine. KDE is supposed to make things simple, right? So the installation should be simple, too. (If it really is simple, and I've just been doing something blatantly wrong, feel free to email me and help me out. Help's always appreciated. :))

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Re: KDE2 release schedule update by Stephen Boulet on Wednesday 27/Sep/2000, @08:55

Re: KDE2 release schedule update
by Tony Caduto on Tuesday 26/Sep/2000, @19:11

Ijust installed the latest Linux Mandrake beta and it is looking very good. Konqueror is very stable, there are a few rendering issue,but it looks very nice. The biggest problem I have ran into is that the Proxies don't work right. i set my proxy server and as long as I stay on a single page it work, but as soon as I click a link to another site it prompts for the password again. Please fix this as it is very annoying. Tony Caduto

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Maybe there should be a second "final" beta
by J. J. Ramsey on Tuesday 26/Sep/2000, @19:25

KDE 1.94 is reliable enough so that I can use as my daily desktop, but there are still quite a few bugs and things that don't work quite right. I've crashed Konqueror when making a file association, KDE "legacy" themes are more memory hungry on my system than the original GTK+ themes they are based on, and Kmenuedit is a bit braindead; if I want to create a menu item that I can make a working kicker panel launcher from, I have to type "Application" in the debatably necessary "Type:" field. What's up with that? In short, there are a lot of niggling little bugs that are too easy to find. If the KDE developers put out another beta or a prerelease, they could double-check that they've got all the showstoppers before they release the final, production-ready version.

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Re: Maybe there should be a second "final" beta by KDE User on Tuesday 26/Sep/2000, @20:27

Re: Maybe there should be a second "final" beta by Stefan on Wednesday 27/Sep/2000, @01:01

Re: Maybe there should be a second "final" beta by Andy Marchewka on Wednesday 27/Sep/2000, @06:26

Re: Maybe there should be a second "final" beta by J Blazevic on Wednesday 27/Sep/2000, @16:32
Re: Maybe there should be a second "final" beta by Christian A Strømmen on Saturday 30/Sep/2000, @08:53

Re: KDE2 release schedule update
by Rony on Tuesday 26/Sep/2000, @20:45

I am a linux user in Taiwan. May I patch KDE2.0 for Big5 ? Big5 is the Chinese type used by the human in Taiwan.

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Re: KDE2 release schedule update by ac on Tuesday 26/Sep/2000, @21:11

Re: KDE2 release schedule update
by Aravind Sadagopan on Tuesday 26/Sep/2000, @22:05

All I can say is COOL..I wish tomorrow was October 16..Cheers to the KDE team

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Re: KDE2 release schedule update
by Matos on Wednesday 27/Sep/2000, @00:40

What i saw on Beta 3 was great.
I can´t wait no longer for the final release!
However, i´m still concerned about stability and speed. Maybe it is so slow due to debug information, i hope so. The konqueror does not work stable and the KOffice suite is very very sensible. But KDE1 Betas teached me to trust the KDE Team and so i will with KDE2.
Congratulations for the KDE people.

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Why do QT version changes require `porting?'
by George Smiley on Wednesday 27/Sep/2000, @06:34

Hi,

I'm a happy KDE user, but am not familiar with the programming side of things. Could someone explain why upgrading to qt 2.0 and the upcoming qt 3.0 require the porting of the entire kde codebase, and not a simple recompilation?

It seems like none of the coding and bugfixing that went into kde 1.x is applicable to the upcoming kde2 release. As far as users are concerned, KDE2 could be a completely new desktop! It also seems like the reason why the number of KDE apps did not increase significantly in the last couple of years was because potential app-writers were waiting for kde2 to get released to avoid having to redo their work.

Now, according to the roadmap, the same situation will happen when going from qt 2.0 to qt 3.0... porting will be necessary. Which means that none of the apps that people write for KDE2.0 will be naturally available for KDE2.2.

If this is indeed the case, this seems to be a singularly brain-dead method. I'm surprised that Trolltech's paying customers do not bitch about the regular API changes. I would appreciate any clarifications.

George.

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Re: Why do QT version changes require `porting?' by Arnd Bergmann on Wednesday 27/Sep/2000, @07:01
Re: Why do QT version changes require `porting?' by John Levon on Wednesday 27/Sep/2000, @07:14

Re: Why do QT version changes require `porting?' by George Smiley on Wednesday 27/Sep/2000, @07:33

Re: Why do QT version changes require `porting?' by KDE User on Wednesday 27/Sep/2000, @07:34

Re: KDE2 release schedule update
by Thomas Philpot on Wednesday 27/Sep/2000, @14:02

I don't know if this still isn't too soon. Well, after how long we've all waited, it's probably not too soon, but I still can't help but feeling that there are some things that aren't done yet.
Konqueror doesn't do SSL through proxies. There isn't even an option to set a port for it. I also wish that that directory window tree in the left hand pane would remember that I hid it last time I ran Konqueror. Can't we save that state in an rc file?

For some reason, Konsole doesn't have keyboard short cuts in the menu bar. Does it have a hot key for switching among open terminals or for opening new ones?

And KWrite no longer lets you choose the display font. What's up with that?

Other than SSL stuff, most of this stuff wouldn't be terribly hard. Maybe I should try to fix it myself and send in some patches... Probably a lot more effective than complaining, right?

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Re: KDE2 release schedule update by ac on Wednesday 27/Sep/2000, @14:07

Re: KDE2 release schedule update
by João Cardoso on Wednesday 27/Sep/2000, @14:56

Congratulations. My Beta5 is very usable (in fact I use it exclusively now) but I'm allways eager for an upgrade. What really amazed my is that you have already plans for KDE2 1.2 with Qt3.0... Way to go!!! Joao

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KOffice not at all release ready
by AC Of Course on Wednesday 27/Sep/2000, @20:47

Konqui seems pretty unstable too - *ESPECIALLY* as a web browser.

Someone else mentioned that Koffice isn't "ready". It's true that Koffice has no useful help files or documentation (one is supposed to know all about MSWord and just guess that Koffice is similar or something). The reason is that KDE and KOffice are simply amazing projects - open source is way more stable than the "shareware" approach - but it just doesn't compare to polished commercial software (remember MSWord is in version 9 or so). But if people would/could use Koffice widely (thus helping debug it) and document it, provide tips. etc it will improve rapidly. It would be nice to have auto bug and crash data reporting; auto file saving on crashes (so the fact that it's buggy won't stop people from using it); and a template or series or python/dcops macros that would make it really easy to create a simple Koffice "tip" or "how to" (replete with screen shots) and would automatically upload them to a central web site. A categorized list of tips and how tos (in searchable XML) would be maintained so that less duplication would occur. After 3-6 months someone could edit, merge and purge the contributions and put together a fairly comprehensive bunch of documentation.

The problem will be that unlike kernel hackers which are numerous since commercial companies benefit from enhancing the system for use as server OS (and these people are knowledgable experts) typical Koffice users won't be coders. So it will be difficult to see the same kind of improvements occur in Koffice as have occurred in the kernel. In some ways Koffice is more complex as well ...

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Re: KOffice not at all release ready by cockney on Thursday 28/Sep/2000, @01:01

Re: KDE2 release schedule update
by Josh Bauguss on Wednesday 27/Sep/2000, @21:36

I'm questioning the version numbering scheme. what is the deal with the KDE2 1.0 stuff then kde2 1.1 and 1.2. It doesn't make sense. It is confusing because it makes you think of kde1.2. Perhaps I'm not up to speed on your guys' thinking but then again no newcomer to linux (which kde2 looks promising as that one missing link) is going to understand your version numbers. Call it KDE 2.0 then KDE 2.1 and 2.2. Don't include all that 1.0 stuff. It is weird to the non developer. Sorry if I'm totally out of line but I wanted to make sure my thoughts were heard reguardless if they are stupid. (The only stupid questions are unasked ones right?)

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Re: KDE2 release schedule update
by cockney on Thursday 28/Sep/2000, @00:58

I have 50 users beta testing KDE beta3 and I can tell you that there seems to be an endless amount of bugs. I know that I have probably subjected my users to this unstable environment too early, although I feel the version we are running now surpasses the KDE 1 series by far. I figured that we will all deal with the bugs until the final release of KDE 2.0. I live in hope that the KDE team has enough professionalism to release a fully functional, stable, desktop environment and that they will not fall short by releasing something that will cost my team hundreds of man hours to support because they could not wait until all critical and grave bugs are fixed. If they do release a broken environment or one that is even partially broken I may find myself installing Winblows on 50 machines and all of my debates with my bigoted users will have been in vain. The excuse that I give now is that it is not finished. What if they release KDE 2.0 and it still is not finished. I am sure I am not the only one in this situation. "Final" means "Final" to me. It sure looks pretty though. Good job Guys!

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Re: KDE2 release schedule update by Lenny on Thursday 28/Sep/2000, @04:48

Re: KDE2 release schedule update by cockney on Thursday 28/Sep/2000, @16:26

Re: KDE2 release schedule update by Haakon Nilsen on Friday 29/Sep/2000, @01:14

Re: KDE2 release schedule update by Stefan Heimers on Sunday 01/Oct/2000, @15:54

question about K-word
by Lance DiBitetto on Thursday 28/Sep/2000, @17:49

I was just curious? does K-word have an auto save feature?

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Re: KDE2 release schedule update
by fura on Friday 29/Sep/2000, @02:12

Anybody knows, why exception handling is enabled by default in all packages ?

KDE project wants to win prize for most bloated desktop environment obviously :-(

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Re: KDE2 release schedule update by Waldo Bastian on Friday 29/Sep/2000, @23:24

Re: KDE2 release schedule update by fura on Saturday 30/Sep/2000, @04:27

Re: KDE2 release schedule update
by Ingo on Friday 29/Sep/2000, @03:45

Oh my god, two weeks! I will count the seconds.

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Re: KDE2 release schedule update
by MichaelM on Friday 29/Sep/2000, @04:32

Contrary to what most people are saying, the lastest KDE betas are awesome! I've been using Beta5 as my exclusive desktop for some time, and it, on it's own, has never crashed. Konqueror has never crashed (and I love it to pieces), and everything else is just awesome. Just one thing though. Gnome, by default can detect KDE menus, and displays them as such. Perhaps the KDE team should do something similar. It would be a rather noble thing, and I know many users would welcome such an addition.

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Re: KDE2 release schedule update by Martijn Klingens on Friday 29/Sep/2000, @05:14
Re: KDE2 release schedule update by Waldo Bastian on Friday 29/Sep/2000, @23:20

Re: KDE2 release schedule update
by Smári P. McCarthy on Saturday 30/Sep/2000, @16:47

Now I'm flaberghasted.

I've been using beta 4 here and there, and am having trouble setting up beta 5 on my SuSE machine, but beta 4 was terribly unstable!
Also, for i18n support, I'm working with the Icelandic translation team, and I don't think we've translated enough yet - Ok, I for one have been lazy, but we had a special meeting for the occasion two weeks ago. The status of our translations is available at logi.org/kde2/stada.html.. I don't know wheter the KDE team should have one more beta before the big day or not... Which distro will be the first to release KDE 2.0 stable in their distro?

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Re: KDE2 release schedule update
by Jim on Monday 02/Oct/2000, @06:11

I tried to install KDE2 beta whatever under Mandrake 7.1, it didn't work. When KDE 1.x came out when I made the switch from winblows to linux, and just loved KDE. It had a sytle similar to windows and made my linux learning easier. After a little while a small birdie landed on my shoulders and whispered, "hey try Gnome". So I did, and I thought "this is how Linux should be. Now I am using Helix, and it works very well, just some small problems with gmc. So everyone should use Gnome! Don't get me wrong, KDE is great, but I am a programmer coming from WinNT, and I think GTK+ blows away QT. Maybe KDE and Gnome should merge. Keep the best parts of each desktop and use GTK+. My $0.02!

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Re: KDE2 release schedule update by Eddy on Monday 02/Oct/2000, @06:45

Re: KDE2 release schedule update
by Sebastian Wolf on Monday 02/Oct/2000, @08:11

I've just been Konquered!! KDE 2 Final Beta is working very well on my SuSE 6.4 and now I look forward to October 16th! I hope the last bugs especially in Konqueror will be fixed so I will be able to replace Netscape for ever!!!! Thanx to all KDE developers to create my favourite desktop environment! Be enlightened! (Please apologize, of course I mean Be Konquered!)

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Re: KDE2 release schedule update
by Nobody on Monday 02/Oct/2000, @17:23

It's 19:24 (US Central), and where is RC1? I was looking forward to that today...

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Re: KDE2 release schedule update [going too fast?]
by AC Of Course on Tuesday 03/Oct/2000, @12:04

Maybe wait another week?

It still seems really unstable to me still (my desktop keeps "crashing"). But maybe cleanly built total new binary installs will work better.

I assume the packagers will be looking for bugs while they prepare the rpm's tar.gz's and of course now the *.deb's !!!!

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Re: KDE2 release schedule update
by Jonathan Brugge on Tuesday 03/Oct/2000, @12:22

Maybe the webmaster of developer.kde.org can update the release-schedule on that site? I've been looking on that one for some time and it doesn't change, it's still somewhere in Juli...someone here who can update it? Jonathan Brugge P.S.: I've been running the beta-versions of KDE2 for some time now, and it's quite stable. One thing I would like to see is more support of Konqueror: I can't load some pages because it has no support for the protocols the page uses (like https). If it can open a page, I prefer it above the always crashing Netscape.

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Great, but ....
by Christian Groove on Wednesday 04/Oct/2000, @05:00

but how do i have to wait for Redhat 6.x/7 binary packages ??? A year or two ??? Up to now, there is no complete set of 1.94 packages available for the Redhat distributions.

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Re: KDE2 release schedule update
by Morris on Tuesday 31/Oct/2000, @00:24

Wow! ... Wow!

Neat! ...

Cool! ...

Rad!

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