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Re: Embedding external parts into KDE
by japy on Thursday 21/Dec/2000, @19:47
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| i remember what my former boss told me once, "you can never ever please everyone, not even if you sweat blood!".
here is what i have to say: if you dont like kde then dont use it, it's that simple, u have no right to complain because ur using it free of charge. kde folks are working hard to give us a nice desktop, we should give them a big thanks first even if some of us find it unuseably right now(tho, i doubt it), just wait, think about just how long kde existed, 1996, its only been 4 years,
u can give constructive criticism rather than complaining, if you have a 5 year old processor, blame it for the slowness, not your 2-month old software. and stop comparing kde to windows, its a very different world.
i also cant imagine people wasting their time arguing about kde icons, its ugly, gnome icons are better, very unpleasant to they eye etc, stupid people. |
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Re: Embedding external parts into KDE
by Nick on Friday 22/Dec/2000, @13:29
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Reality check..
This argument does not hold water. If you don't like it, and you don't have the skills to improve it, then the best you can do is attempt to raise the issue. That's how things improve.
Saying "If you don't like it, don't use it" is a rather ignorant argument. It's apparent that these people like KDE, but they want to see it improve. They are making good points about the direction KDE needs to go.
Windows and KDE are in competition, and thus comparing the end user experience of KDE with Windows is a valid comparison. We all want KDE and the various platforms it supports to gain wider acceptance, and that will require it to surpass windows in functionality, speed, and ease of use.
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Re: Embedding external parts into KDE
by japy on Friday 22/Dec/2000, @22:31
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>If you don't like it, and you don't have the >skills to improve it, then the best you can do >is attempt to raise the issue.
just like what i said, deliver constructive criticism, not simply complain about it and make it appear kde is totaly useless.
>Saying "If you don't like it, don't use it" is >a rather ignorant argument.
what would you feel when your favorite desktop is undersiege? saying "i used to run kde 1.1.2on my prehistoric computer and it works lightning fast, while suddenly when i install kde 2 it crawls" is what i believe a rather ignorant argument.
yes we all want kde to improve, but theres a proper place for this, and thats the bug tracking system. im sorry if i sounded so rude, i recognize that this is a disccusion and respect everyones opinion, but people wanting to switch to kde and wants to learn more first, might interpret all of this as sign that kde is not a worthy alternative.
besides this is dot.kde.org, AFAIK, this site gives out good news and information about the beauty of kde, we are suppose to thank the developers here, its very irritating just after you have read a nice news about kde, then people will flood in their misseries and griefs etc. (should'nt it be all addressed to complaints.kde.org?)
>Windows and KDE are in competition, and thus >comparing the end user experience of KDE with >Windows is a valid comparison.
i did not say they aren't, i said kde is totally different to windows, when it comes to design, windows is the operating system itself, which makes it more integrated with its compononents, on the other hand kde runs on top of x, which in turn runs on top of linux. windows can play tricks it wants with regards to resources, but kde can do only what it is permitted by x and linux respectively.
but of course, both are desktop, and that is where we can compare windows with kde: windows has intallshield, kde has ./configure, make, make install, kde has virtual desktops, windows doesn't, kde users are cute, windows user's aren't (ha ha ha) and many more. you see, we can only compare what we can see and feel on the outside, on the inside its totally different. and that is why kde's performance cannot be directly compared to windows, (not of course if we have a microsoft windows desktop environment for x!)
but lets simply agree on one thing nick, before we start a "words war", lets just be happy kde users!
may the force be with you all!
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Re: Embedding external parts into KDE
by Olivier LAHAYE on Friday 22/Dec/2000, @13:48
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I totally agree.
More over, Speed of kde2 is the same as win98 on my system.
The only slow thing is XFree86 V4.01 (Frame buffer is realy slow)
On thing to improve performace (if you own a very very very old obsolete computer ;-) ) is to choose a simple styles just like windows (without pixmaps).
Functionnality is very important (IMHO), because it is a race to functionnality. If you quit the race, then peoples moves to the concurents.
I've heard the same things between MUI and BGUI under Amiga (MUI is to KDE what BGUI is to GNOME)
People using 7MHz 68000 expected high drawing speed with fancy bitmaps (they said that it was slower than the standard system (plain colors) and thus, that that was inacceptable! )
Maybe peoples could ask for high speed on 80386SX16 VGA systems?
I think this attitude is stupid.
The most important thing is an API that allow high developpement speed. That is the most important thing.
at KDE2: This model (C++, Qt, And mode) allowed koffice in one year and lots of applications in few weeks.
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Re: Embedding external parts into KDE
by MichaelM on Saturday 23/Dec/2000, @05:51
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The only slow thing is XFree86 V4.01 (Frame buffer is realy slow)
Not getting involved in the argument, but I actually thought X 4.0.1 was rather zippy (especially compared with X 3.3.X), but then again, I'm not using Frame Buffer
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Re: Embedding external parts into KDE
by Tonttu Torvinen on Saturday 23/Dec/2000, @13:18
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My comment was meant to be 'constructive critisism'. Critisism can always be taken as complaining - it just depends on the point of view and the attitude.
Sure I currently have quite an old and slow computer, but I see no reason why I should spent a lot of money to upgrade it when I can do most of the things I need to do with this P200 64Mb (I can guarantee that I can imagine hundreds of better ways to spend my money). I'm not interested in having always the latest new gadgets, but what I want to have is to be able to do the things I need to do in the most comfortable way. Even though Win95 runs a lot faster than Linux&KDE, I've noticed KDE to be the best environment for me in the most cases. As the speed is the biggest problem here, I would like to see also this part to be improved.
Sorry to say, but what you said doesn't sound very 'open'. Rather than openly discussing the problems people are having with KDE, you would like us to shut our mouths, be quiet and pretend to be fully satisfied - while there still is lot to improve.
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Re: Embedding external parts into KDE
by japy on Saturday 23/Dec/2000, @18:20
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sorry people!
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Re: Embedding external parts into KDE
by japy on Sunday 24/Dec/2000, @09:58
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my girl went away, so I was said I nervous
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Re: Embedding external parts into KDE
by Tonttu Torvinen on Monday 25/Dec/2000, @10:18
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No problem, I was just trying to be constructively critical also to what you said.. ;)
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