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Re: Announcing KDE-Women!
by Navindra Umanee on Sunday 18/Mar/2001, @23:42
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First Congratulations! ;-)
Hey, good stuff, guys. Great initiative!
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Fine, but why the separation ?
by Bill on Monday 19/Mar/2001, @05:28
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OK, but why separate ? We do not need to be separated according to certain human attributes. What will be next ? Maybe KDE-AfroAmericans or KDE-AmericanIndians ? Really, why do we need this ? Yeah, we need everyone to contribute: women, American Indians, Chinese, Japanese, whatever (we do not care about those human attributes), but it's not necessary to be divided...
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Re: Announcing KDE-Women!
by Matt on Monday 19/Mar/2001, @05:39
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Who drew that nice female konqy?
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Re: Announcing KDE-Women!
by Gerrit Posthumus on Monday 19/Mar/2001, @08:21
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The KDE Women web site look beter than the KDE site !!!!
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Re: Announcing KDE-Women!
by henrik on Monday 19/Mar/2001, @08:26
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Great!
Computing in general is way too male dominated! Congrats to all @ women.kde.org. (is this the first OSS project that specifically acknowledges women?).
After all.. women are slightly more than half the population - unless KDE is made to be attractive to them too, we can never have world domination :)
You rock!
-henrik
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Re: Announcing KDE-Women!
by bill gates on Monday 19/Mar/2001, @08:42
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I want to start a club for males with lactating breasts that feed their children. Any takers?
Being serious for a second, distingushing the female coders from the male coders is stupid in my opinion. Distingushing is nothing more than seperation and seperation leads to discrimination (seperate but equals does not juve in the courts you see). Why embrace the differences? Instead of gender specific clubs we need non-gender specific clubs. Gotta go, the young one needs fed.
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Re: Announcing KDE-Women!
by BitRider on Monday 19/Mar/2001, @09:38
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I think it's a STUPID thing to create a separate group to show the KDE work done by women.
Women spend it's whole life talking about something called "INTEGRATION", but now they want to be separated from men in the KDE project, what a madness!. KDE is a project belong to none, but to everybody.
Hey,man, could somebody give me a manual about "How do those pretty things called women run?"?. I'm getting a terrible headache with all this biz.
By the way I want to create a KDE-spanish-dark-haired-brown-eyed-medium-built, can I ?, can I ?... XD
Sorry for my bad English (Spanish rulez XD )
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Re: Announcing KDE-Women!
by Eric Laffoon on Monday 19/Mar/2001, @10:32
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I've said it before. I'll say it again. The worst thing in open source is not what people involved in open source do... it is what people complain about others doing instead of getting involved doing themselves!
If women feel empowered because of this that is a good thing. I recently read the only place in the US where the ratio of women to men was lower than in Alaska is silicon valley. Take a hint. Most women are too intimidated to get past the technical jargon and paradigms. Men also generally seem more naturally inclined to visualize design in empty space. However while differences between the sexes may affect one's tendencies they do not in any way limit their potential!
So six months or a year from now when you are enjoying that seriously cool app, or the forehead slapping new feature on your old favorite you should stop... because KDE women could have worked on it.
If you look at the list of KDE developers how many are women? This is not some dumb government employment quota. This is more like a club. It is the most logical group to focus on the obviousl disparity of involvement between men and women. It is not targeted at exclusion by gender or race (they say they welcome men but I'm not doing the dishes) it is focused on inclusion and on a more equitable inclusion.
It is good to question new things... but not so good to critisize without really considering them.
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Re: Announcing KDE-Women!
by Tom on Monday 19/Mar/2001, @18:22
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There aren't as many female coders compared to male coders; therefore, any attempt to introduce or allow females to increase their presents in the technical community, especially Open Source, then this is a superb move.
To me, the reason for males to reject this movement is because males don't have these focused attention upon them. There seems to be too many feminist movements, or there are too much talk about women rights; however, this attention on women is rightly due, to some extent.
I am not a feminist, but I think this initiative will yield good results for the technical community at large, if not for KDE alone.
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Re: Announcing KDE-Women!
by A.C. on Monday 19/Mar/2001, @20:04
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I would like to thank you for creating this site. I've been trying to get my girlfriend more involved in Linux/Internet( the future ). That has been a chore and now, she is getting interested and likes the site. Once again, thanx.
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Re: Announcing KDE-Women!
by AC on Tuesday 20/Mar/2001, @05:31
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Oh great! Now those dumb Slashdot trolls will think that competive projects like Gnome is not women-friendly just because they don't have a special women website.
I'm expecting yet another day trolled down by Slashdot.
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Re: Announcing KDE-Women!
by Vadim on Tuesday 20/Mar/2001, @12:38
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As many other people, I just don't see the reason why would like women to be separated, even if men are allowed in their group. I'm wondering why was it created... perhaps to make it easier for us, the weird guys to find a girlfriend? ;-)
I can understand other kinds of separation like graphics artists, coders, etc. That's done for functionality, to group people with similar skills so they can help each other. Now, where's the purpose of separating men from women? And what's that about providing a place "where women can find a starting point"? Are you meaning that they because of their gender need more help than we do?
Yes, I know, there are few female programmers, and that's sad, but not because they're different, just because some silly people think it's weird that they would like to code. Sadly, the people around you often make decisions about how you have to live your life.
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Re: Announcing KDE-Women!
by Michael on Tuesday 20/Mar/2001, @23:18
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I give this 6 months, then nobody interested in this topic anymore. and it will die like the KDE Installer project:
*High motivation in the beginning;
*But no real driving force, because there's not really a need for it;
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Re: Announcing KDE-Women!
by Bill on Wednesday 21/Mar/2001, @02:54
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So now we have read the opinions of all three sides: women, men, and certain people posting under male names ;-).
What I concluded is: there are two real arguments for that new site: women are somehow "afraid" of being part of the "main" KDE Project, or they would like to be part of a smaller group that they feel is closer to them in some way.
To make it clear: If this new project makes women (or anyone, for that matter) more willing to contribute, or just feel better about KDE, then OK: by any means, go on with it. We're happy with it and we warmly welcome you (no kidding). And remember to also create new projects that have importance: KDE-blind, KDE-disabled etc. Isn't it a shame that we have KDE-Women, but dont't have KDE-Disabled? What do you think?
Now some specific answers:
You're telling us that KDE is male-dominant, but how do you know? Did you check the German, French, Hebrew, etc. dictionaries for the names? If yes, why? Do you need to know if we are males or not?
We do not need paranoia here. Nobody discriminates anyone else in KDE.
You're also telling that we, men, are welcome at KDE-Women. OK, thanks, but why then is it called KDE-Women ? Come on, if it says "Dog exhibition", you do not take your cat there. If you do, then, well, it's a pet exhibition, not a dog exhibition.
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Re: Announcing KDE-Women!
by Vadim on Wednesday 21/Mar/2001, @13:00
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I'm still studying. At school I see every day boys and girls going in mostly separated groups. Girls go with girls, boys with boys and when they go together is mostly when it's with their boyfriend or girlfriend. The internet is supposed to be a more free place. Why don't we just start to mix at least here?
I've been previously at that site, and now I looked once more. And I still don't see the need for it.
I mean, women have nothing that men doesn't have, so why would they need a "place to get started"? What's on that site is mostly tips and resources, excepting only the programs made by women.
So, why don't you just call it "KDE beginners" or "KDE newbies"? You make it look like women need some special help, when they don't.
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Re: Announcing KDE-Women!
by oda on Wednesday 21/Mar/2001, @16:27
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If one woman made Kde-Women then the males have to shut up the mouth.
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