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Re: Announcing KDE-Women!
by Vadim on Tuesday 20/Mar/2001, @12:38
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As many other people, I just don't see the reason why would like women to be separated, even if men are allowed in their group. I'm wondering why was it created... perhaps to make it easier for us, the weird guys to find a girlfriend? ;-)
I can understand other kinds of separation like graphics artists, coders, etc. That's done for functionality, to group people with similar skills so they can help each other. Now, where's the purpose of separating men from women? And what's that about providing a place "where women can find a starting point"? Are you meaning that they because of their gender need more help than we do?
Yes, I know, there are few female programmers, and that's sad, but not because they're different, just because some silly people think it's weird that they would like to code. Sadly, the people around you often make decisions about how you have to live your life. |
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Re: Announcing KDE-Women!
by Grasshopper on Tuesday 20/Mar/2001, @19:33
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>As many other people, I just don't see the reason
>why would like women to be separated, even if men
<are allowed in their group. I'm wondering why was
>it created... perhaps to make it easier for us,
>the weird guys to find a girlfriend? ;-)
Grasshopper say: you hit nail on head. You may have said it jokenly, but the fact is that many young (single?) men view women as potential "girlfriends" or "party-dates". The need to satisfy other emotions -- love or lust or whatever -- makes the nature of male-female interactions different. I see it on the mailing lists -- pratically every time a women posts something guys start e-flirting.
I'm not saying that's bad. If kept within acceptable levels, it's necessary, as men who aren't aggressive in pursuing women will likely find themselves old and alone. On the other hand, men often go over the line. I think therefor that it makes sense for women to form a mailing list where they will *not* be considered someone's potential girlfriend but where they get treated with the respect and courtesy of a colleague.
Someone in a post above even claims that men have not discriminated against women. The way I remember history until 100 years ago women generally could not vote. In many countries today (and in virtually all the industrialized countries up to a few generations ago) women could not own property due to a fictitious "joinder" of the woman into the man upon marriage. There are still places today where women are burned when their husbands die and where they are forced to wear restrictive clothing so that uncontrolled men don't have "incitement" for raping them. Practical enslavement of women for prostitution is a huge industry worldwide. In industrialized countries positions of power are still 90%+ male-dominated. And this is all just the tip of the iceberg. All in all, I can't think of a readily identifiable group that has been discriminated against so much and for so long in so manly places like as have women.
So if women (from all countries of the world, even those where women are not treated "equally") want a website to feel comfortable, more power to them, and I hope they pump out some rockin' code!
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