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Re: KOffice-1.1 Beta2 Released !
by Timothy R. Butler on Tuesday 22/May/2001, @14:20
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I don't know, I guess reverse enginering, or something like that? Now that OpenOffice is out there, I suspect that new data could also be gleamed from there - I sure wish they would at least... KWord has potential, but I still don't see how it can be truly useful in a world that mainly uses MS Word, if it can't save to MS Word format.
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Re: KOffice-1.1 Beta2 Released !
by Leon on Tuesday 22/May/2001, @16:49
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Microsoft make the format for Word documents available on their website somewhere.
Can't remember exactly where but it was part of the MSDN site.
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Re: KOffice-1.1 Beta2 Released !
by Hubert Figuiere on Wednesday 23/May/2001, @00:01
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They did make it availabe. Now you have to sign an agreement. I don't know its content, but I may guess that it includes a non-competing clause. But there are still some copies around.
BTW, FYI, reverse engineering is legal in several countries in the world, including France. So this is NOT a problem.
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Re: KOffice-1.1 Beta2 Released !
by Bojan on Wednesday 23/May/2001, @06:35
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I see. Thanx for your explanation. On the other hand,
if format would not be in public domain, it is one hell of a
job to reverse engineer it. :-(
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Re: KOffice-1.1 Beta2 Released !
by Marvin on Wednesday 23/May/2001, @15:57
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> if format would not be in public domain, it is
> one hell of a job to reverse engineer it. :-(
...which is exactly why M$ has such a strong
grip on the Office market.
They don't regularly change their Office file
formats without a reason...
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Re: KOffice-1.1 Beta2 Released !
by Carbon on Saturday 26/May/2001, @00:57
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Ah yes, welcome to Microsoft, home of the moving target Word format. I'm fairly sure that even subminor revisions of their suite (i.e. x.x.x) involve a total redo of the file format, or at least enough changes to make it difficult for people to reverse engineer file formats. Perhaps the U.S. gvmt should have dis-monopolized M$ the quick way and forced them to OSS bazaar-style all their protocols and file formats. :-)
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Re: KOffice-1.1 Beta2 Released !
by Dom Lachowicz on Tuesday 22/May/2001, @21:56
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Hi All,
For what it's worth, I'm the lead developer/maintainer of AbiWord (www.abisource.com) and wvWare (www.wvware.com)
MSFT's file formats aren't proprietary, nor is reverse engineering them illegal. If you go to either site, you'll see OLE2 docs, docs on the DOC format, etc...
wvWare and Abi both have really good support for importing DOC. I'm trying to add support for exporting to DOC inside of wvWare right now, though. If anyone from the KWord development team is reading this and would like to collaborate on making something like this a reality, I'd really appreciate it. I'd hate to see a duplication of effort on this sort of scale when it could so easily be avoided.
Thanks,
Dom
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when will abiword support tables?
by naloquin on Wednesday 23/May/2001, @00:02
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So when do we get tables in abiword. I love abi.
And are guys sharing code with the Koffice guys?
Cheers
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Abi=Import/KWord=Features, but me? LyX BAY-BEE!!!
by Bryan J. Smith on Wednesday 23/May/2001, @11:18
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It is obvious to me that AbiWord is striving for the best DOC import quality, and features are slowly coming in. KWord seems to be the opposite, features and capabilities are priority, DOC import secondary.
Frankly, what are you doing using a document "standard" that the company that created it cannot even get right?!?!?! E.g., ever try MS Word for Mac? And, even worse, how about MS Excel for Mac? Case closed.
If you want to have your documents last 20 years, use LaTeX or SGML. There is a great front-end for them called LyX (http://www.lyx.org). Better yet, you'll find yourself not wasting productivity on fonts and other BS, and writing your document, letting it do all the formatting details (table of contents/figures/tables, margin notes, indicies, footnotes, etc...). I've been using it for close to 3 years now, where I produce 90% of my technical documentation and presentations (built-in PDF export).
I still use Abi for DOC import (and then cut'n paste into Linux), or for quick, non-technical . I'm evaluating KWord for desktop publishing, where LyX won't do (so far, so nice!). I _hate_ word processors, cried when Lotus killed AmiPro and Adobe killed the FrameMaker beta for Linux.
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Re: Abi=Import/KWord=Features, but me? LyX BAY-BE
by Dom Lachowicz on Wednesday 23/May/2001, @17:12
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Just FYI and all...
LyX uses wvWare to convert DOC->LaTeX, which LyX then imports. Abi also uses wvWare, but in a different way. Writing a direct LyX output filter for wvWare, for example, should be trivial if someone wants to step up and do the work (I personally have no interest, but will add others' code to the tree). Figure out how to email me.
Dom
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