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Re: Mandrake 7.2?
by Bojan on Friday 01/Jun/2001, @07:35
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It was said about the last alpha that this release is for people that like to be on the edge of technological improvements and if you are that kind of guy, then you would have the latest version of your OS too. :-(
I believe this is the case with this alpha too.
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Re: Mandrake 7.2?
by Thomas Olsen on Friday 01/Jun/2001, @07:49
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> It was said about the last alpha that this
> release is for people that like to be on the
> edge of technological improvements and if you
> are that kind of guy, then you would have the
> latest version of your OS too. :-(
> I believe this is the case with this alpha too.
Well, I must admit there is some sense in that. Actually I'm eagerly awaiting for Suse 7.2 to arrive in my snailmailbox. I have mdk8.0 at work and realized that I prefer 7.2 to 8.0. The "User friendly" Mandrake desktop which is screwing up my menus and stuff is more and more getting to be a pain in a body part close to my chair. But I dont wanna start a distro war ;-)
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Re: Mandrake 7.2?
by Craig on Friday 01/Jun/2001, @13:16
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I'm a huge mandrake fan but that Menu crap annoys me too. I'm wondering when corel will jump back into the distro arena? They had a good debian-- kde based distro.
Craig
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Re: Mandrake 7.2?
by Eric Laffoon on Friday 01/Jun/2001, @15:50
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There are two options...
1) Build KDE in another directory and add it to your kdm menu...
2) delete the menu stuff!
I did both. ;-)
The menu stuff is in /etc/menu something (been a while) and also the executable is /usr/bin/menu-methods if I recall. You still need to get a copy of the menu editor to have a real KDE desktop again. I used to have all the stuff for this on line but it's out of date. I know one other person kept up the menu stuff for a while on his page.
I have been one of the people yelling at Mandrake to at least make the menus optional. If you use many desktops they are handy (but not what they are billed as because they are still different). If you want to get anything done though you will probably just run KDE and get your work done. ;-)
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Re: Mandrake 7.2?
by David Faure on Friday 01/Jun/2001, @18:04
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> at least make the menus optional
They are optional, in 8.0.
Just launch menudrake, and "Disable Mandrake customizations".
There you go. Plain KDE menus.
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OT: Mandrake menus
by Anders on Saturday 02/Jun/2001, @00:50
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which is of cause really nice, but I think the main complain about the mandrake menus is that editing them is a pain in the ... and still dosen't really work. Each time you compile a program (and decide to keep it) you have to fight that thing (i don't know what else to call it) and still it does no work. Weird entries sneaks in that are not accessible in the thing, and all one can do is delete all files in ~ related to mandrake menus, but then of cause the modifications are lost.
A shame, since besides the obvious inability of mandrake to create GUI apps and the scary lack of documentation, the idear of a global menu as well of th structure it self are actually nice...
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For a Universal Linux Menus Management
by Alain on Saturday 02/Jun/2001, @05:14
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Anders says :
> I think the main complain about the mandrake menus is that editing them is a pain in the ... and still dosen't really work.
For me it works. But, yes, it is a pain... And it is a similar pain with the KDE editor...
Comparing the KDE desktop and the Windows one, I think that the biggest weakness for KDE, is the menu editor. It is a pain to have such a programm (you have to call it, find the good directory, the good icon, modify/delete/add, save (it's long...), close, and go again in the menus to verify...). On windows you don't have such a "menu editor" You only have to to do right click, "Properties" to modify, "Delete" to delete", or "open" for adding a shortcut. It's very cool.
I hope that the QT team will someday do such a thing (but does Qt allows it ?)
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About Mandrake menus, they exist for two good reasons, I think :
- merge the KDE, Gnome and others programs...
- allow an automatic update from drk.rpm
But good reasons have bad secondary effects. The first one, for us, is that the KDE users don't recognize the KDE programs. And they have to manage the menus with a Gtk program...
However, the two reasons are good. Isn't it possible that the KDE and Gnome teams work together to find solutions ? (with Mandrake ? and other distros ?) For instance by defining a common hierarchy with 3 main sets (1 KDE, 1 Gnome, 1 others), so that :
- the user choose (or not) a priority for one set (ex: KDE, the other sets go in a "Non KDE applications")
- each node is recognized by a key item so that package installations may update the menu at the good place
I feel that the management of the start menu is a big difficulty for the user, chiefly if he choose a new distribution (how to keep his menus ?). Mandrake, alone, tries a solution. But it needs the participation of the Gnome and KDE team...
I hope something as a "Universal Linux Menus Management" !! Ulmmmm...
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Re: For a Universal Linux Menus Management
by David Faure on Saturday 02/Jun/2001, @08:43
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Yes, there is some work going on between KDE and Gnome developers, to merge and harmonize the menu structure.
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Re: For a Universal Linux Menus Management
by Alain on Saturday 02/Jun/2001, @17:52
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Yep, good news !
I hope it is ambitious and will give a good foundation for a long time... I also hope that all the distributions will work on this common basis.
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