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Amen!
by KDE User on Friday 15/Jun/2001, @18:17
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100% agreed!
I realize that everybody has a 'different way to scratch their itch', but it's going to take a lot of cooperation to produce competition for Outlook and Exchange.
KDE is as successful as it is because thousands of ideas have been pulled together towards a common goal. If each of the core developers forged ahead with their own DE, neither DE would likely EVER be as successful as KDE.
Consider the current 'major players' w.r.t KDE:
Infusion - Promising backend
Magellen - Elegent interface
Aethera - KDE integration
KMail - simple, functional, robust
Now imagine what could be produced by combining the best parts of each offering!
Maybe at that point we could start using the word 'competition' with some confidence... |
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Re: Amen! - Not quite ...
by Corrector on Friday 15/Jun/2001, @19:19
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Unfortunately you mixed up a lot of things:
Infusion : It's not a backend, it is a frontend (GUI) to Citadel/UX, which is a quite powerful, if slightly strage (due to its BBS roots) office communication backend.
Magellan : This is a try to combine all necessary means of office communication in one application instead of several specialized ones; idea: something in between MS Outlook and Lotus Notes Client.
It's developed by some developers lead by Teodor Mihai.
Aethera : This is a fork of Magellan by theKompany; they 'stole' the code and made it GPL (instead of LGPL) so that other companies cannot use it in their non-GPL apps anymore. The Magellan developers are pretty pissed off because of that, so cooperation is unlikely.
theKompany intends to make money with a proprietary server component, which would be a competitor to the free Citadel/UX, so they are unlikely to support that...
KMail : Classic MUA tool focusing on the mail function. It tries (or should try) to use components ond KDE services wherever possible without the intend of creating an all-in-on application.
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Re: Amen! - Not quite ...
by Craig Black on Friday 15/Jun/2001, @19:29
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Stold? Its freakin open source thats what your supposed to do. What a bunch of crap. Aethera has improved on what was a good idea but not quite there. To say they stold it is just FUD.
Craig
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Re: Amen! - Not quite ...
by Shawn Gordon on Friday 15/Jun/2001, @19:42
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Stole? Stole would be if we took it, closed it, rebranded it and pretended that we did it all ourselves. Isn't one of the major points of open source that people use other peoples code for things? Since they are both free and open source projects where does 'stole' possibly enter into the picture? We made it GPL because all the trolls were running around insisting that we make all of our software GPL, since when has making something GPL been evil? Geez, I don't get what you are trying to say at all.
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Re: Amen! - Not quite ...
by Evan "JabberWokky" E. on Friday 15/Jun/2001, @21:17
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Don't worry, Shawn - most of us "get it" when it comes to Open Source. I've taken dead projects myself and advanced them, and I'm aware of several projects that were taken over by a more enthusiastic person or someone with a different vision.
And to anybody who isn't aware, XEmacs, one of the "great" open source applications, was "stolen" by JWZ from RMS's original emacs. RMS was upset for awhile, then (at least in public) realized that JWZ really produced some kickass code. (This is the same JWZ who wrote big chunks of Netscape, was fundimental in opening up the Netscape source, and also wrote xscreensaver).
So, Shawn, you're in good company.
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Evan
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Re: Amen! - Not quite ...
by me on Saturday 16/Jun/2001, @08:21
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Nobody insisted that you change software with a
BSD license to GPL. That's a plain lie.
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Re: Amen! - Not quite ...
by Shawn Gordon on Saturday 16/Jun/2001, @11:32
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And you would know that because you read all of my mail? Perhaps you were somehow CC'd on the email I got from RMS as well? Oh wait, that wouldn't be possible since you don't seem to have an email address according to your posting.
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Re: Amen! - Not quite ...
by Bernd Gehrmann on Saturday 16/Jun/2001, @12:56
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Oh, now you do everything RMS tells you? So in
the future, you won't be selling proprietary
software? That's great news :-)
BTW, I think your claim that lots of people have
asked you not to release software under a BSD
license is your free invention.
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Re: Amen! - Not quite ...
by Bernd Gehrmann on Tuesday 19/Jun/2001, @07:59
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Now, if only I could understand what you are
trying to say...
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Re: Amen! - Not quite ...
by Carbon on Friday 15/Jun/2001, @20:14
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He wasn't attempting to cover the capabilites of each app in that listing, just the most important features of it. I.e, he was saying that a Magellan/Aethera/KMail/Infusion merge would have the best of all worlds, with a functional but elegant and KDE integrated interface, the simplicity and robustness of a simple email client if that's all that's needed, and a very powerful server-side backend for more complex PIM tasks.
Besides, there's no reason that integration means only one huge, honkin binary loaded at once, StarOffice style. Just look at konqi, it's capable of accessing web sites, file drives, ftp, audio ripping, (minimal) email sending and recieving, koffice previewing, etc etc etc. It does this using a loaded-as-needed plugin style, ala KIO slaves. What's to keep us from using (long term view, that is) KPIM slaves/plugins or something like that?
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