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Re: Focus on Infusion
by Robert on Friday 15/Jun/2001, @21:37
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Hello,
I think comments like-
If you're using Evolution your the first person I've talked to that has been able to.
are what make the Kompany look so petty in
comparison to other open source companies.
Its an obviously false claim; plainly
evolution currently has a lot more
users than Aethera. Maybe this will change.
BTW I am a recent convert to KDE, as it just
provides a better user experience than Gnome.
However, I'm still looking for a decent IMAP
client. Till then I'm sticking with Evolution..
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Re: Focus on Infusion
by Shawn Gordon on Friday 15/Jun/2001, @21:43
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This is a 100% honest response. I've never used Evolution, but in talking with people about Aethera I ask them if they've tried Evolution and what they think, and without exception, everyone I've talked to has said that they can't get it to work. I don't doubt that people are using it, but I've never talked to one of them.
WRT to IMAP, our new Aethera release next week will have full IMAP support including folders and a few other nifty improvements.
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Re: Focus on Infusion
by marioy on Friday 15/Jun/2001, @23:21
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Thank you, thank you, thank you... at last IMAP on KDE...
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Re: Focus on Infusion
by Carbon on Monday 18/Jun/2001, @03:52
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Even better, that'll be in the 2.2 Kmail also.
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Re: Focus on Infusion
by Chad Kitching on Saturday 16/Jun/2001, @02:21
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The biggest reason people have problems with evolution is because it uses a version of Gnome that isn't yet released (just as Evolution isn't yet released). There are a large number of dependancies that must be filled for it to work properly. It'd be like trying to run a program that depends heavily the new features in KDE 2.2 on KDE 2.1 or 2.0. It just wouldn't work. It's not fair to bash Evolution for that reason.
Perhaps instead of bashing them, you could try to work with them to come up with a common spec for writing support for new protocols. No one will benefit from having to rewrite support for every groupware server out there for each and every mail client anyone cares to write. Take a note of the Abiword/KWord/etc developers and reduce the duplication of work of the things that will help everyone.
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Re: Focus on Infusion
by Ack on Saturday 16/Jun/2001, @05:20
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Evolution has always worked for me, albeit to varrying levels of success.
Currently i use 0.10 as my default mail/scheduling client.
It's a very good quality app, and it looks like steady progress is being made on it.
However saying that, the major problem with Evolution is that it is very slow (on my system at least). Compare that with Aethera, which is lightning fast on my system.
I also very much prefer the look of Aethera (i believe it's going to be changing though?).
I firmly believe that Aethera will be a very good application. and i fully intend to switch to it full time as soon as it reaches the level of functionality that Evolution is currently at. But it isn't there yet.
Also, with Evolution we can see what is happening with regards to development, so it feels like we're a part of it even if we've nothing to contribute at that time. There's a development list, as well as a users one. With Aethera we do not know what is happening so we feel more detached. The only time we know what's happened is when a new release is made and we can try it out.
It's a lot harder to be enthusiastic about something when we don't know what is happening. If there's anyway of letting us know about the progress on Aethera i think it would be a good idea. It helps foster the community feelings aspect. :-)
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Re: Focus on Infusion
by Shawn Gordon on Saturday 16/Jun/2001, @11:30
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The CVS is public and open to anyone who wants to look at the code, we are trying to be considerate and at least package the code for as many distros as possible when there is what we consider a stable release. In what way is it not publicaly available and how would you suggest we let people know what is happening outside of what we are currently doing.
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Re: Focus on Infusion
by Ack on Saturday 16/Jun/2001, @13:02
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It's not on the sourceforge CVS, and i couldn't find anything on thekompany.com site about it. Could you let me know the details?
Something that i think would raise interest is perhaps a paragraph or two on your site every week.
Something that states what has been done that week "so and so fixed this annoying bug, this feature was added", that sort of thing.
It would allow an "at a glance" look at what progress has been made, even for those not interested in pulling it from CVS.
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Use Kernel Couse KDE ?
by John on Monday 18/Jun/2001, @11:49
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How about a small update item from theKompany, posted to the mailing list each week so that it could be rolled into the latest Kernel Cousin KDE publication?
It would add value to Kernel Cousin KDE and us readers wouldn't have to go looking elsewhere for it.
Don't know about you, but that would work nicely for me.
John
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Re: Focus on Infusion
by Rob Kaper on Saturday 16/Jun/2001, @11:24
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> However, I'm still looking for a decent IMAP
> client.
KMail has IMAP support in CVS, see
http://kt.zork.net/kde/kde20010331_4.html#9
So while it isn't there yet, 2.2 will bring IMAP to your KDE desktop.
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Re: Focus on Infusion
by no-control on Friday 15/Jun/2001, @22:26
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> Aethera looks nothing like Outlook.
Well, I'd disagree with that. It still follows the same concepts and ideas. Bar down the side with large buttons for the categories, then a tree with folders, and finally the actual data view.
Not that it's a bad thing, Outlook has a vry good interface.
Aethera does however have that really ugly pointless bar across the top that has a "pretty" picture and does nothing but take up screen space, but maybe it's going to do something else eventually.
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Re: Focus on Infusion
by Shawn Gordon on Friday 15/Jun/2001, @22:32
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The interface paradigm is not unique to Outlook, nor was it invented with Outlook and overall it makes sense in an application that has categories and functions. However the "look" of Aethera is nothing like Outlook, whereas the "look" of Evolution and Infusion are almost identical clones of Outlook.
If you don't like our "pretty" picture, you can dismiss it by closing the dockwidget that it is part of :).
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Re: Focus on Infusion
by no-control on Saturday 16/Jun/2001, @00:01
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So what you're really meaning when you say 'look' is the artwork?
What I'm talking about when I say 'look' is how the interfce is laid out, and I think (as you agreed) it is fair to say that Aethera's interface looks like the Outlook one (albeit with different pictures) - even if Outlook didn't invent this paradigm.
http://www.thekompany.com/projects/aethera/images/aethera-mail.png
Take away the bar thing with the mail gfx at the top, give it a normal windows like theme, I would suspect that it looks rather like Outlook.
Plus I'm still not sure I can see the similarity with Evolution's graphics and Outlook's. Evolution's do look so much nicer. I do know that Evolution's menu layout were copied directly from Outlook's, but is this a bad thing? I don't really think so.
And I am glad you can remove the ugl^h^h^hpretty pictures, it just annoys me when I have to, because I always think I shouldn't have to. But at least you can remove them, which is always something :)
Not that any of this matters, in the long run. I don't care if it looks like Outlook or if it doesn't, just that it does what I need it to with the minimum of fuss.
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Re: Focus on Infusion
by Chad Kitching on Saturday 16/Jun/2001, @03:11
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Paradigm? Are you in marketing, by any chance, Shawn?
Aside from segregating the contact list, notes and mail capabilities into separate sections, I fail to see any real distinction between Aethera, Infusion, Evolution, or Outlook. And to be quite honest, I get a whole lot more from something like Magellan or Outlook that doesn't enforce the segregation of the different elements because it means I can turn off the left-side toolbar, free up screen space and work just as efficiently as someone who heavily uses that toolbar.
So, Shawn, how exactly is your "look" different from Outlook, whereas Evolution and Infusion are clones of Outlook? From my perspective, and apparently from the perspective of a lot of other readers, Aethera is just as much a clone as all the rest.
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Re: Focus on Infusion
by Shawn Gordon on Saturday 16/Jun/2001, @03:50
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I've been programming for 22 years, the word paradigm comes up a lot and is descriptive.
Look at the flat panel layout of Outlook and Evolution. Does Aethera look like that? No, it does not. The UI has been further modified but is pending our rewrite of the current UI code, which is about 6 weeks away.
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Re: Focus on Infusion
by Chad Kitching on Saturday 16/Jun/2001, @05:04
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The word paradigm has been abused for years to mean just about anything, most people don't even realise what it really means. I've come to loathe the word as it is thrown around with all the rest of the garbled technobabble that populates so many press releases and "journalism" today.
Either you mean flat panel as in the graphics used, or flat as in the panels are unmovable in Outlook. Either that, or I still don't know what you mean. I know it's probably not real flattering to be called a clone of another interface, but from my perspective, arguing against this seems to be more of a distinction without a difference. I could just as easily say Aethera is a clone of Netscape Mail, Outlook Express, Groupwise, etc. The point is, it's not a drastic departure from the standard e-mail client look, and there are very few clients that are (Eudora Light 2.0 for Windows 3.1 springs to mind, and perhaps the UNIX command-line "mail").
Don't get me wrong, I don't mean to belittle you or your project, but it just seems that maintaining that you're not a clone of Outlook while everyone else is, seems a little silly, when functionally your UI isn't all that different from theirs.
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Re: Focus on Infusion
by John on Monday 18/Jun/2001, @12:05
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Who gives a rats ass anyway. There's only so many ways you can present mail and a folder tree.
There's very little difference in the look of most modern cars these days too. And consequently the features list, customer experience ( drivability, power, economy, etc ) are more important that the overall look.
So long as it works well, is intuitive, stable and fast, and meets the needs of its targeted customer base, then it's in!
John
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