I think before you try to do any further "advocacy" for KDE, theKompany etc. you might want to read

Advocacy.html

which is not only true for Linux but to a certain degree also for KDE. You might especially be interested in "6. Canons of Conduct" ... which says: "Avoid hyperbole and unsubstantiated claims at all costs. It's unprofessional and will result in unproductive discussions." e.g.

Tackat

Well the dot right now is crawling with closet and open gnome supporters that are trying direct discussion and spread miss information. I'm getting sick of it. Even anon of linux today fame for trolling openly and often against kde feels comfortable doing gnome advocacy here on the dot. Its getting hard to tell who's here to add something or push discussion and options away from what's best for kde. Kdes pulling so far ahead of gnome among user there resorting to less than ethical tactics.

Craig

• Re: Focus on Infusion by ik on Saturday 16/Jun/2001, @22:36

  you see non-existant phantoms (don't know if this is right English). Maybe there are gnome users criticising kde on this forum, but why not ? kde ain't perfect yet ... and posts like "this is bad, i don't like the way thats' done because ..." help making kde better. if they spread misinformation, simply correct it.

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• Re: Focus on Infusion by jj on Saturday 16/Jun/2001, @23:57

  I disagree. There are definitely more trolls here now than there were a few months ago (I am not saying that these troll are Gnome supporters, to make that clear). But if you really do not care for the other environment, then you should stay away from their discussionboards.

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• Re: Focus on Infusion by advocates are boring on Sunday 17/Jun/2001, @01:22

  > Well the dot right now is crawling with closet > and open gnome supporters that are trying > direct discussion and spread miss > information. And how exactly is this claimed trolling different from what you were doing on Gnotices a week or two ago?

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• Troll by Craig Black on Sunday 17/Jun/2001, @01:48

  [ADMIN: Please do not reply further to this thread] Well advocates are boring. I'm assumeing that is your real name. I was promoting a desktop web poll on gnotices to make it fair. I pushed it here and on gnotices. In the end with over 4000 votes which were verified as good my the sites owner kde had a 9 to 1 margin over gnome. He finally had to drop the poll because someone tried to run a script to push up the gnome votes. It would have be fair if i just mentioned the poll here now would it? I wanted to know with as much accuracy as i could what the desktop user base was. I'm not saying kde has that big of lead though. There was another poll on www.freeos.com with over 1600 votes where KDE only got 57% and gnome came in at 19%. Which is a bit different. Thats was a bit more of a geek crowd however because the command line came in at 13% with 221. Craig

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• Troll by advocates are boring on Sunday 17/Jun/2001, @02:11

  [ADMIN: Please do not reply further to this thread] That's all you were doing, eh? I'll just provide a few choice quotes and let the public decide. craig: "Well i sent it here and the dot and linux today. It's not rigged i think the kde users are more enthusiastic than gnome users or there are more kde users. Thats the fact." (gnome-news1) craig: "That was then this is now. Kde has been moving at a much faster clip than gnome has. Since xiamian took over most of the development and kde stayed a hacker desktop i think that there has been many defecters to kde including me." (gnome-news2) craig: "Ah well this gnome defector will stay where the action is at kde. Were there is no xiamian or eazel just hackers" (same thread) craig: "Kde has pulled so far ahead of gnome and the fact that kde id still a hacker afair has made all the difference. The eazel thing and xiamian deal has really screwed gnome over. Mean while kde pulls way ahead in developement and user base. Its no longer a 50 50 affair." (gnome-news3) That all says TROLL to me.

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• ADMIN: Enough is Enough by Navindra Umanee on Sunday 17/Jun/2001, @03:50

  [Please do not reply to this message. Mail me directly for comments.] I think it is a given that Craig is what he is. This has been on enough forums for enough times. The public has to decide nothing, and certainly not here on dot.kde.org. Please stop this bullsh*t, we will use IP banning if forced to do so. Feel free to use our free-for-all trollfest forum meanwhile.

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• Re: Troll by Craig Black on Sunday 17/Jun/2001, @08:02

  Well showing one side of a converation is not a fair account of the conversation. I'm always a advocate and was very impressed my the gnome folks persistance in defending there project. The kde folks could learn a thing or two. But i was not purposely trolling i was inviteing them to the poll which spured a lively debate. The difference is i was not pretending to be something that i was'nt. Here i fear there are those that are not open with there motives. Craig

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