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Re: KDE & Companies: Ask Trolltech Anything
by Jelmer Feenstra on Saturday 07/Jul/2001, @18:36
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For anyone interested in interviews alike; slashdot has an interview with Shawn Gordon from The Kompany. Check slashdot for some of the questions that were asked, and expect the answers there in about a week.
I actually don't have any questions to ask mr Eirik Eng, as I think Trolltech is doing a _great_ job and I honestly don't know what they should be doing better. Well, perhaps they could use a kdockwidget-like solution for their current MDI implementation in the Qt Designer. But that's not really a question either :)
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Re: KDE & Companies: Ask Trolltech Anything
by craig on Saturday 07/Jul/2001, @18:56
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--I interviewed Shawn sometime ago for kdezine. However the progress of that project is going slower than i anticipated so today i published the interview at http://GUI-Lords.org
Craig Black
ICQ 103920729
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Re: KDE & Companies: Ask Trolltech Anything
by Bluewolf on Saturday 07/Jul/2001, @19:49
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Err. Why is QT so good? :)
I don't now of a real question to ask.
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Re: KDE & Companies: Ask Trolltech Anything
by Evan "JabberWokky" E. on Saturday 07/Jul/2001, @20:10
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Do you have a corporate mission statement, even an unofficial one? And how do you choose which areas to keep commerical, and which to release more freely? The embedded aspects of Qt are particularly interesting.
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Evan
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Re: KDE & Companies: Ask Trolltech Anything
by Henrik on Saturday 07/Jul/2001, @20:30
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Three questions really.. Thought i'd put a few in the same post, hope no one minds too much :)
1)
do you Trolls have plans for any "other" products other than Qt or are you content to stay in the toolkit business?
2)
How are things financially with the economy being in the state it is? Obviously i'm not looking for a detailed statement - just hoping things are good enough for you to stay and produce Qt (and give it away to us hobbyists!) indefinitely.
3)
What do your feelings towards the "linux community" after all the flak Trolltech has gotten over the Qt licensing issue? You were accused of everything from wanting to monopolize the linux desktop to being in bed with microsoft. Even with Qt GPLed, the licensing flames still pop up occationally.
Finally, i'd like to express my thanks to all att Trolltech for releasing what is easilt he worlds toolkit for writing GUI apps. I tried a bit a GTK+ and MFC before discovering Qt - needless to say, i was less than impressed with the first two when compared to Qt.
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Re: KDE & Companies: Ask Trolltech Anything
by Sebastian Werner on Saturday 07/Jul/2001, @21:02
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I like QT really. It's cool that there is a free edition for windows now. It is now possible to develop windows freeware with qt and port it to linux easily. What are the next genertion feature do you plan. An platform undependend object-model (like: kparts, bonobo, or OLE ;-)) a data-base access through all systems (MySQL run's under Windows too... and it would be great to access these database with the same applications from all platforms)
Hupps, i thin this is more a wishlist... ;-)
Sebastian
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Re: KDE & Companies: Ask Trolltech Anything
by Hetz Ben Hamo on Saturday 07/Jul/2001, @21:07
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Hello Sir,
Here is my question:
1. Why is Trolltech's QT libraries for commercial companies costs so much? ($1500 for a single license according to TT page), while Windows 2000 Pro + Visual Studio costs about $400 less? of course - the price goes down with more licenses are bought, but when a company needs 3-4 licenses - it's still much higher then the Windows Equivalent...
I find this pricing very problematic when I approach commercial companies to write/port applications from Windows to Linux. Most of them simply point me to those prices (and most of them have been looking at QT in Linux and they like it).
Thanks,
Hetz
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Re: KDE & Companies: Ask Trolltech Anything
by Robert on Saturday 07/Jul/2001, @22:53
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Hello,
A few questions:
1. What is Trolltechs position on the full C++ standard? Eg do you advocate the use of all aspects of the STL, and if so, are future versions of QT going to be based around the STL?
2. Further to this, are there plans to get the signal/slot mechanism of moc into the C++ standard, or do you feel a preprocessor is a fully satisfactory solution?
3. What are your plans for language bindings?
ATM, we have PyQT, a perl binding I think, and C bindings in progress. Do you have any plans to adopt an "automatic" binding approach, ala COMs IDispatch or Corba DII? Also what is your response to the claim that it is hard to wrap C++ in other languages?
4. Is the KDE/Qt divide ever frustrating? When a good technology arrives in KDE, do you sometimes wish to deliver it to all your Qt customers, but find that you must reimplement it, due to licensing or technoloy issues? As an example, database access in Qt/KDE seems to be in a state of flux.
5. QTE has raised some hackles in the X camp. Could you explain why you think it is necessary, given that embedded machines are getting more powerful every day, and it is really no harder to re-engineer an X app, say a QT-x11 or GTK app, for a small display than moving a QT-x11 app to QTE?
6. Displays are getting bigger, and screen elements are getting lost - eg icons must now be produced in multiple sizes. People also want to use things on smaller screens - eg the ipaq. Are there any plans to make Qt pixel independent, like Fresco or Berlin?
7. X11 has proven to be a long lasting solution for the desktop window system. What possible extensions (if any) would be useful to you in creating QT? Or do you feel that a new desktop window system would be a better solution?
8. Given the plethora of toolkits for X11, what initiatives will Trolltech be taking in order to maintain a consistent desktop? Eg formulating a good common theme format, a common widget rendering layer or just trying to ignore other toolkits?
Phew! Anyway, some of these questions may not reflect my actual position - but I tried to think of as many issues as I could ;-)
Sorry if the questions were not meant to be technical ...
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Re: KDE & Companies: Ask Trolltech Anything
by Amir Michail on Saturday 07/Jul/2001, @23:37
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Why does Qt contain two completely different event systems (QEvent & signal/slot)?
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Re: KDE & Companies: Ask Trolltech Anything
by guran on Sunday 08/Jul/2001, @01:20
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Is it possible to have Trolltech produce a text file of all your classes, widgets of QT3 in such a form that when read from within ADA95 one could automatically make the relevant bindings and type definitions?
regards
guran
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Re: KDE & Companies: Ask Trolltech Anything
by Troy Unrau on Sunday 08/Jul/2001, @01:24
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How does one go about getting a job at TT? What are the qualifications that you desire for programmers and do they need degrees in computer science/engineering? Do you hire based on reviewing contributions to KDE?
Troy Unrau
(and no, I'm not looking for a job)
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Re: KDE & Companies: Ask Trolltech Anything
by craig on Sunday 08/Jul/2001, @02:28
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Why should a programmer choose Qt and not GTK.
Craig
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Re: KDE & Companies: Ask Trolltech Anything
by annma on Sunday 08/Jul/2001, @06:59
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What about voice integration in Qt?
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Re: KDE & Companies: Ask Trolltech Anything
by Matt on Sunday 08/Jul/2001, @07:31
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I'm really curious to know if Trolltech has struck any big deals. I mean with big companies planning to release handhelds, PDAs or "multimedia terminals". I heard Nokia were using QT and Opera, is that right? Any other major deals? I'd like to know because I think that's where the real money is, and not from selling commercial licenses to the occasional programmer. Actually I think Trolltech needs the "big deals" pretty soon, or 3.x is the last we hear from them. But I'd gladly be proven wrong.
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Re: KDE & Companies: Ask Trolltech Anything
by Chakie on Sunday 08/Jul/2001, @07:53
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I have a few questions. I've been using Qt since the 0.9X days, so it's been fun to see it mature and still manage to keep that original "Qt" spirit.
1. what inspired TrollTech to start building Qt, or put another way, what led to the forming of TrollTech?
2. what are the ultimate goals for Qt? What do you want to achieve with Qt?
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Re: KDE & Companies: Ask Trolltech Anything
by annma on Sunday 08/Jul/2001, @09:10
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Do the Kompany and Trolltech have contacts with each other?
What about the financial issue (does the Kompany pay for using Qt?)
Does the Kompany ask for new features?
annma
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QCOM questions
by SW on Sunday 08/Jul/2001, @09:54
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Hello Eirik,
I'm really glad that you put QCOM (a COM
workalike) in Qt3. I think this will help
Qt and KDE developers a lot. Howewer, I have
some questions on this:
1. By making QCOM part of Qt and putting it under
GPL/QPL, don't you think that QCOM will be
just one of several component systems, which
are all derived from COM and all incompatible?
Could you LGPL it and make it independent
from Qt such that QCOM can be used
by everybody, removing the need for other
component models?
2. To make QCOM even more useful, it would be
great to have
- an IDL and an IDL compiler
- type libraries
- a scripting host a la WSH
Are there any plans in this direction?
Thanks
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Re: KDE & Companies: Ask Trolltech Anything
by Erik Engheim on Sunday 08/Jul/2001, @11:20
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Qt is the best C++ GUI toolkit I have ever used. I am not sure it actually exist anything better. Apart from a number of lesser known I have tried MFC and Borland C++ Builder. Builder was okay but not nearly as good as Qt I think. MFC I really hated.
Being a very strong Qt advocate I have always suggested Qt to people wanting to do GUI programs and always suggested it in projects I have joined. However dispite Qt's excenlence it is often not choosen. In the last project we did MFC was choosen dispite most of my group said we hated MFC and loved Qt. Our employer dispite not knowing either toolkit very well choose MFC because they saw it as a industry standard and that not enough people knew Qt.
With this background here is my questions:
1.What would you say to companies who choose MFC over Qt because most GUI programmer know MFC? Further the company does not care about portability.
(I really like to know because I want to know what I should argue to persvuade them to don't be so stupid).
2.Are you activly trying to make universities and colleges teach Qt GUI programming?
3.When Qt comes to Mac will Linux and Windows users be able to use the Aqua theme?
4.Will there be a non comercial version of Qt for Mac?
5.Does Trolltech have any thoughts on Microsofts .NET and what it will do to Qt?
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The name
by Karl Garrison on Sunday 08/Jul/2001, @11:49
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Just curious, how did your company arrive at the name "Trolltech"? Do you mind the resulting nickname of "the trolls" at all?
-Karl
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Re: KDE & Companies: Ask Trolltech Anything
by David O'Connell on Sunday 08/Jul/2001, @11:53
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First of all I think QT is a very classy toolkit, and that the KDE desktop is a clean stylish desktop that is considerably ahead of anything out there so far. However ...
1) I believe QT and KDE will come in to conflict at some future point. As a commercial enterprise you may want to include stuff in QT, that is better suited at the KDE layer. You seem to wrapping up an awful lot of functionality within QT. A Component model, XML, Database access. Functionality that I would rather see develop within KDE. Do you see any potential conflicts?
2) If KDE becomes the defacto desktop of Linux and Linux becomes mainstream (as I think both will come to pass), you will effectively become a toll booth to a developers wishing to develop commerical KDE apps. Your terms are "fairly" reasonable now but whats to stop you asking for unreasonable commercial licensing terms in the future?
If KDE becomes the default you will be able to extract quite punitive terms before development shops will develop with other toolkits. This isn't a problem right now but could it become one?
3) You have several key KDE developers working for you. If KDE becomes the main source of future income for Trolltech will there not be conflicts of interest? Will Trolltech will be able to effectively steer KDE open source developers. Before you mention key kernel developers working for Red hat as a rebut, the development those developers do is not under a dual license that allow Red hat to extract licensing fees for their work. I understand that the dual KDE/QT developers develop stuff for TrollTech for QT but will they also not be keener to influence application frameworks within KDE that favour functionality appearing under QT (and hence the dual license) rather than within KDE.
4) If KDE forked QT to keep the bare minimum of functionality KDE requires from it, what would your reaction be? Could you ask for different license terms from commercial developers who favoured using the KDE version of QT. If you could ask for different terms, would they be more severe to discourage commercial developers from using this branch?
I find myself in a difficult position of admiring the quality of work Trolltech is doing and wishing you could be renumerated for it but also wishing it wasn't at such a key platform chokehold point. Could TrollTech become the effective Microsoft of Linux/KDE? Or is that overblown? If somebody said the same in the early 80's about Microsoft they would have laughed at you if you said Microsoft could unseat IBM. However a developer lock at the toolkit level today may just be as effective now as Microsoft lock on applications at the OS level in the 80's.
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Company info
by Loranga on Sunday 08/Jul/2001, @13:00
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Hi,
Who owns TrollTech A/S?
Mats, a.k.a Loranga
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Re: Qt and Swing/Java
by Michael Gengenbach on Sunday 08/Jul/2001, @14:47
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Hi,
will there be a Qt-style pluggable look and feel for Swing/Java?
We are programming Java applications for use under Linux and since KDE/Qt seems to become the standard look and feel for the user (at least in our part of the world :-), it would be great to have the same look and feel with our Java applications.
I don't mean a Java binding for Qt. I'd like to continue to use normal Swing applications and just change their look and feel which is possible with Swing.
Best wishes
Michael
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Re: KDE & Companies: Ask Trolltech Anything
by Amir E. Aharoni on Sunday 08/Jul/2001, @17:25
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Hi there
Is there any chance of porting Qt to VMS?
I'm a happy user of GNU/Linux/KDE at home, but i work as a VMS sysadmin, and i love VMS's amazing stability and ease of use - at least from a sysadmin's perspective. Now - VMS uses pretty much the same X-Windows/Motif/CDE combo that most commercial Unices do; if it was possible to port Qt to Mac and Windows, why can't it be done with VMS? Technically it seems even easier, and the OS licensing is not any worse than these two.
This port should be even more exciting considering the latest Compaq announcements of their further commitment to the VMS platform and the planned Itanium port. VMS's superior technical features are well-known but it lacks a broad appeal and marketing and exposure that Windows and Linux have; i'm not talking about it becoming a desktop platform, but i haven't ever seen a better server, and i've seen a lot of them (sorry, Unixoids :). Go figure, maybe Compaq will even get into a "strategic partnership" with you or something :)
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What about Win32 version of QT for gcc??
by metalman on Sunday 08/Jul/2001, @18:38
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Why aren't yo planning to port noncommercial version of QT to gcc compiler.
I think , that most pepole who program in Visual Studio uses MFC, and those who not are left to use either Borland/Inprise classes or some GTK+ bindings, and they lack of QT
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Re: KDE & Companies: Ask Trolltech Anything
by farid elyahyaoui on Sunday 08/Jul/2001, @19:49
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my question:
in what way do you think .Net (and winXP) are going to affect KDE/Qt/Linux?
Does it offer new chances or new threats?
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Re: KDE & Companies: Ask Trolltech Anything
by Ups on Sunday 08/Jul/2001, @20:29
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When will typesafe signal/slot connections be implemented ?
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Re: KDE & Companies: Ask Trolltech Anything
by Carbon on Sunday 08/Jul/2001, @23:14
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Was there a lot of in-company controversy over the switch to unmodified GPL, or was it mostly unanimous?
Do you have any relations with the distribution companies?
What OS/distro/desktop do the QT developers use?
How many employees do you have at the moment, and how many in each department?
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Re: KDE & Companies: Ask Trolltech Anything
by Richard Moonick on Monday 09/Jul/2001, @00:30
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Hello,
I'm an undergraduate computer science student who will graduate in a year and start looking for work. I'm very interested in KDE and open source software in general, but am uncertain of the job market for writing open source code.
As a member a company that has been successful in creating high quality, high profile open source software and staying in business, what do you think about the current and future prospects for software developers who want to making a career of writing open source code?
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Re: KDE & Companies: Ask Trolltech Anything
by Jo man on Monday 09/Jul/2001, @06:16
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Maybe it would be also from interest to speak with KDE-non-friendly companies to hear why the are not using KDE.
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Re: KDE & Companies: Ask Trolltech Anything
by sebastien boyart on Monday 09/Jul/2001, @06:42
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Why are you trying to make KDE a Ms window like desktop manager ???
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Re: KDE & Companies: Ask Trolltech Anything
by Orpheus on Monday 09/Jul/2001, @07:52
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Hi....
will be available port of qt-emb for AgendaVR3 PDAs ?? (as target) an what about QPE ??
thnx a lot
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Re: KDE & Companies: Ask Trolltech Anything
by Chucky / Outmax! on Monday 09/Jul/2001, @08:00
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How is it possible for TrollTech to survive while giving freely Qt to the GPL community ?
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QT Designer
by Johan on Monday 09/Jul/2001, @09:33
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(When) Are you going to make a complete, integrated visual RAD development environment out of the QT Designer?
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shareware license
by toctoc on Monday 09/Jul/2001, @10:59
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Hi, first : Trolltech is a great company with a great business model. QT simply rocks.
My question : I`m a student and actually I REALLY need some money. I believe in free software but at the moment I`d
like to earn some money with writing software. But there's no shareware license anymore.
Will there be a shareware license again ? What was it ?
Is there any way how I can sell my qt-software ?
I can`t pay $1500 for a license (or a car or whatever)
thanks
toctoc
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Re: KDE & Companies: Ask Trolltech Anything
by Benoit WALTER on Monday 09/Jul/2001, @15:23
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Do you have plans to make a library that dinamically load the graphical interface (like libglade for GTK+). It would be much faster to develop an Qt application and it would result in a much clearer code.
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Re: KDE & Companies: Ask Trolltech Anything
by Benoit WALTER on Monday 09/Jul/2001, @15:23
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Do you have plans to make a library that dinamically load the graphical interface (like libglade for GTK+). It would be much faster to develop an Qt application and it would result in a much clearer code.
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Re: KDE & Companies: Ask Trolltech Anything
by Eleknader on Monday 09/Jul/2001, @16:39
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Dear Sirs!
Several traditional software companies are worried about Open Source licencing. Many of them feel, that you can't make business by giving the fruit of your work (source code) for free.
Few days ago a KDE friendly software company revealed, that they are selling some part of an open source application (an add-on, to be more specific) and not giving that for free. It looked like few people on KDE mailing lists were unsatisfied for this solution.
My question is:
1. How can you make profitable software sales with a product, that you have released as Open Source before?
2. If you can't, what kind of a business there is to a company like you?
3. Would you like to comment recent discussion about Open Source licencing and commercial software development.
Thank You,
Eleknader
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When does Qt become too big?
by David Johnson on Monday 09/Jul/2001, @18:50
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Is there a point at which you would consider the size of Qt "too big"? I understand your reasonings why you don't want to split up the Qt library. But every release it gets bigger and bigger...
The latest 3.0 beta is almost FIVE times larger than qt-1.45.
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QT for the Mac
by Rob on Monday 09/Jul/2001, @19:26
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Does TrollTech see its role primarily as
1. Providing the best GUI developement framework in the world.
2. Providing a cross-platform GUI framework that happens to be a really nice framework too.
I ask this mainly because I've seen mention of a MAC/OS port since I first heard of QT (with the relase of KDE 1.0). At what point does it become reasonable to ask 'show me the money'.
In my opinion a good cross-platform toolkit that includes Windows, MacOS and Linux/Unix would do more for the acceptance of Linux desktops (and as a result, for the acceptance of QT-based Windows apps) than just about any other development.
Much as we like Linux and see it as the natural alternative to Windows, most commercial ISV's are more likely to be asked for Mac ports of their code than Linux ports.
That being the case, a QT port of a Windows app to MacOS is more likely to be bankrolled than a Linux port. And you're likely to see less resistance to the QT professional license fee there too. And if we get some great Linux apps in the process, well that's great too.
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Re: KDE & Companies: Ask Trolltech Anything
by Rüdiger Klaehn on Tuesday 10/Jul/2001, @11:00
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With all the hype about .NET, do you consider porting Qt to C#? The Qt Socket/Slot mechanism is almost identical to the C# "delegate" mechanism. Since Qt is crossplatform, it could also benefit from a platform-independent binary format.
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Re: KDE & Companies: Ask Trolltech Anything
by Rajeev Narayanan on Tuesday 10/Jul/2001, @12:26
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I am rather seeing KDE turning into a very good Desktop.But at the same time ,it consumes huge amount of resources which makes older machines suck(On my 64mb Ram machine,it didnt go well)
Do you have any plans to reduce the footprint and
port kde to other emerging windowing systems like Berlin
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Re: KDE & Companies: Ask Trolltech Anything
by Ross Baker on Tuesday 10/Jul/2001, @14:05
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This is NOT a question for the excellent Trolltech, but instead a recommendation that you add a mailbox for questions to companies in general to help select those which people have questions for.
I would like to ask IBM about their position on KDE vs GNOME and about the satus of the VIAVOICE/KDE integration ( which I am eager to buy ).
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Re: KDE & Companies: Ask Trolltech Anything
by Marc Meier on Wednesday 11/Jul/2001, @17:01
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I want to ask Trolltech about the future of ViaVoice integration into Qt. It was annonced and even demonstrated early this year but seems to be retired now.
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Why does the FAQ differ from the GPL?
by Mike on Saturday 14/Jul/2001, @04:26
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In the Qt Free Edition FAQ, it says:
(http://www.trolltech.com/developer/faq/free.html)
> Using the Free Edition, can I make software for
> internal use in my company/organization?
> The Qt Free Edition is not intended for such use;
> it is our policy that when you are using Qt for
> free, you should in return contribute to the free
> software community. If you cannot do that, you
> must get Professional/Enterprise Edition licenses
> instead.
Yet, the intent of the GPL is pretty clearly that
applications that are developed in-house need
not be distributed externally.
Is it your position that the GPL requires
code to be open sourced and distributed even
if it is used for in-house purposes only?
Or is the FAQ wrong?
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Position on Free Qt Clones
by Mike on Saturday 14/Jul/2001, @04:31
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Could you please clarify what Troll Tech's
position is on independent, third party
implementations of the Qt toolkit?
According to you, may developers who have
had access to Troll Tech's documentation
participate in such a project? What about
developers that have had access to the GPL'ed
source code for Qt? Do you believe that there
are "contamination issues" similar to what
Sun claims for JDK sources?
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Re: KDE & Companies: Ask Trolltech Anything
by B. Olson on Sunday 15/Jul/2001, @14:26
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Is Trolltech planning to go public, with their stock, anytime soon?
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Qt for Windows
by Alan on Tuesday 17/Jul/2001, @14:07
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i was very glad to see Qt for windows made available under a less strict license.
Hopefully it will encourage many people to use the toolkit and maybe some windows demos/ports of Linux programs will encourage people to use Linux. And it also might allow me to use Linux apps on the universities computer networks which only provides MSWindows.
I was dissapointed however that Qt for Windows did not have more detailed instruction on how to get it working with gcc/g++, MSVC licenses are way too expensive if you just want to make some simple freeware. On a computer i have access to that has MSVC the demonstation code and examples compiled without a hitch, but i dont have a license of my own so im screwed unless i can get g++ working.
Where can i get more information? Please! Ive thouroughly read throught the docs on the webpages and some of the linux docs in an attempt to get it working under cygwin.
thanks in advance.
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QT/embedded
by anonymous on Monday 24/Sep/2001, @03:59
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What are your plans about qt embedded.
Do you try to get some distribution deals, so we could get an iPaq with qt/embedded in the store?
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Important Point: SOAP/Web Services?!!
by h2o on Friday 28/Sep/2001, @13:59
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Hi!
My questions:
What is your opinion about .NET and SOAP/Webservices? How important is it for Linux to follow/integrate these ideas?
Do you plan to add support for SOAP/Web services in future versions of QT?
What do you think about Mono? What about dotGNU? Is there any possiblity for Trolltech to work together with Miguel de Icaza and/or the FSF in these fields?
Or what *real* (at least equally good) alternative do you see?
Regards
h2o
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Fiscal Situation
by g8oz on Thursday 04/Oct/2001, @12:58
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How many employees do you have? What is your revenue?
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