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Re: Konqueror Gets Activ(eX)ated
by Nikolas Zimmermann on Tuesday 10/Jul/2001, @06:51
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Wow you are taking this really too serious :)
Our goal isn't the dropping of KParts etc..
We just want to help companys, which migrate to Linux (_from Windows_), to be able to use their self-made ActiveX controls for the time they have no money to rewrite everything.
You may know that it costs _really_ much if you migrate to Linux for the first time. Companys relied on Microsoft's technologies (like ActiveX) and we want to help them.
Of course having everything native is the coolest thing.
Shockwave, Flash and Livepics are _JUST_ testing controls. I have no self-build activex control to test, that's why we take these ones.
So don't flame please, this is as always done for fun. (Imagine this cool stuff, we are mixing Qt and Windows stuff, throught winelib, in _one_ app). It's just cool stuff, not more. |
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Re: Konqueror Gets Activ(eX)ated
by KDE User on Tuesday 10/Jul/2001, @06:59
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I for one would like to thank you for your beautiful work! Despite the flames, you have done some pioneering work and taken KDE/Konqi to a whole new level, even if it only shows what kinds of wonderful things can be done with KDE or if it only gets people like Neil off their collective rear-ends to implement native plugins for Konqueror.
Thanks! Thanks! Thanks! We are impressed!
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Re: Konqueror Gets Activ(eX)ated
by Neil Stevens on Tuesday 10/Jul/2001, @07:02
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My problem isn't with your code. You wrote what you wanted, and shared it with the world. That's a fine thing.
My problem is that Dre is describing the lack of support for propreitary plugins for Windows as a major lack of Konqueror until now, in contrast with the KDE community's general pleasure with Konqueror until now.
Am I taking this seriously? You'd better believe it. By putting this site in the kde.org, domain, dot.kde.org represents KDE. I've put a lot of time in to KDE, and I care about it. I don't want it led astray.
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Re: Konqueror Gets Activ(eX)ated
by Aaron J. Seigo on Tuesday 10/Jul/2001, @07:42
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well, for a _lot_ of folks not having ActiveX controls is a big thing. this wasn't a Konqueror weakness, it was a Linux/Unix weakness. what they have done is build as good a bridge as is possible today (which means x86 only right now) for technologies that were, until now, bound to Windows. without this bridge, many users would also remain bound to Windows. this is all about making lemon-aide out of lemons for the short term and opening the way for more people to enjoy the Freedom of KDE. it is one piece among many of Konqi's abilities and compatibilities that no other linux/unix web browser can measure up to.
and that, if you calmly re-read the press release, is exactly what was said.
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Re: Konqueror Gets Activ(eX)ated
by Guillaume Laurent on Tuesday 10/Jul/2001, @11:29
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> I've put a lot of time in to KDE, and I care about it.
Then I suggest you take a vacation or something and return when the whole of your brain is back up, because right now you're not helping at all, to say the least.
Your take on this is nothing less than appalling.
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Re: Konqueror Gets Activ(eX)ated
by Timothy R. Butler on Wednesday 11/Jul/2001, @01:39
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Neil - tell me, if Konqi didn't support any Netscape plugins, only displayed pages that were W3C compliant to the letter, and wouldn't open pages served from non-open source web servers, would you use it?
The point with ActiveX isn't saying that KDE's native technologies aren't better, it's simply admitting the reality that KDE's technologies aren't being embraced by major companies yet, and for users to migrate to Linux, they need these technologies now.
I might note that many programs that have major lacks are still enjoyed. I really like KMail, Kicker, XMMS, Konqueror, KNewsTicker, etc. but still there are thing I would love to see supported that aren't _yet_. That doesn't mean I am not pleased with them, I simply notice they lack certain things I would like. I might note Konqueror has JavaScript problems too, but if Dre announced that they had all been fixed, that wouldn't mean that the KDE Project was really saying "Until now, Konqi really stinked like week old fish!"
-Tim
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Re: Konqueror Gets Activ(eX)ated
by AB on Thursday 12/Jul/2001, @11:16
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It's always like this. If any product is "criticized" by its own makers, you can bet there is a newer version of that product which solves those problems.
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Re: Konqueror Gets Activ(eX)ated
by Andy Fawcett on Tuesday 10/Jul/2001, @07:08
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Okay, here is my 'take' on this subject...
Technically, I like what has been done here. I think the guys have done a wonderful job in a short space of time.
And I agree with WildFox's sentiments that it *could* help companies migrate over to KDE.
It's a shame that the implementation isn't portable, but with the absence of file formats and designs, it is going to be nearly impossible to implement this on a lot of operating systems :(
As a final point, I don't see it as a bad thing to embrace older/other technology with KDE. If work such as this allows (some) KDE users to access information that they couldn't before, surely that is a good thing? Sure, it would be better if *all* KDE users could use this technology, but 'some' has to be better than 'none'.
Just my 0.02 euros
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