[KDE Dot News]
 faq
 flatforty
 contribute
 subscribe
 configure
 search
 rdf

 main
 parent
 thread


Re: Apps Roundup #2: Focus on Bibletime 1.0
by Shrek on Monday 16/Jul/2001, @14:35
if you count all the different types, it's actually the LARGEST.
Is it really one religion if there are so many "different types", and the many members of those different types can't seem get along with one another? For example, Catholics may form the largest portion of Christians, but they aren't exactly buddies with Protestants or Orthodox Church followers. They may have the same fundamental beliefs, but the similarities end there.
Anyway, enough of that rant.
I believe that we have enough religion in our software already (the religion of open source). Do we really need any more? Including this programme in the KDE distro could offend a great many people worldwide (remember, most of the world isn't Christian). We should leave it out and have it freely downloadable on its own just like any other app. People should not be forced to install it if they want KDE.
There is absolutely no harm in leaving it out, but we could open a whole can of worms if we do include it. If someone wants it, they can install it. If they don't, then fine. Everybody is happy.
  Related Links
 ·   Articles on Applications
 ·   Also by Shrek
 ·   Contact author

Thread Threshold:

The Fine Print: The following comments are owned by whomever posted them.
( Reply )

The Dot is messed up!
by Shrek on Monday 16/Jul/2001, @14:38
Hey, the server's not accepting HTML as it should!

I have to try several times to post messages, since I keep getting Zope errors.
[ Reply To This | View ]
Re: Apps Roundup #2: Focus on Bibletime 1.0
by Timothy R. Butler on Tuesday 17/Jul/2001, @00:54
You said:
Is it really one religion if there
are so many "different types", and
the many members of those different
types can't seem get along with one
another? For example, Catholics may
form the largest portion of
Christians, but they aren't exactly
buddies with Protestants or Orthodox
Church followers. They may have the
same fundamental beliefs, but the
similarities end there.

Actually the similarities don't end there. While we have our disagreements on certain issues, for the most part Christians can set this aside (there are always exceptions to such rules), and recognize that we truly are one religon - the
one universal Christian church (Catholic means universal, btw). Just so you know my position, I am a evangelical protestant Christian. Now, I will quit, since I don't think that the Dot is a good place to get in a theological discussion, but I just had to point this out as David's figures are very much correct - Christianity is the largest religion according to more than just one poll.

That aside, I would ask why anyone is getting in an uproar about a simple review of a Bible program.

-Tim
[ Reply To This | View ]
Re: Apps Roundup #2: Focus on Bibletime 1.0
by craig on Tuesday 17/Jul/2001, @02:20
OK since you brought it up. I'm catholic and i'm buddies and have biblestudy with protestants on a weekly basis. In fact the Catholic church has letters of understanding with several protestant churches. So your statements are a bit misleading. In reality we are one faith.
[ Reply To This | View ]
  • Re: Apps Roundup #2: Focus on Bibletime 1.0
    by Shrek on Tuesday 17/Jul/2001, @08:22
    Yeah, I did exaggerate a bit to make my point. What I'm trying to say is Christianity is nowhere near as cohesive as other large religions like, say, Hinduism (which would have about a billion followers). But enough of that (it's <i>way</i> off topic).
    <br>
    My main thrust is that there is absolutely no need to include this app in the KDE <i>distribution</i>. Its inclusion would mean that anybody who wants KDE would be forced to install this app (unless they compile tarballs - yuck). Remember, over two thirds (and growing) of the world's population is <i>not</i> Christian, and many Christians are non-practising (especially in more developed nations). Some people may see the forced installation (in that it isn't easy to install KDE without it) as an insult. To get KDE accepted worldwide, we need to make sure that we offend other cultures as little as possible.

    Please don't misunderstand me. I am not anti-Christian, nor am I against this app existing. It <i>should</i> be freely available, just like any other app. However, I don't believe it is important enough to be included in the KDE distribution. If a distro provider like Mandrake wanted to include it, then fine. Including it in KDE, however, could do more harm than good.
    [ Reply To This | View ]
    • Re: Apps Roundup #2: Focus on Bibletime 1.0
      by Craig on Tuesday 17/Jul/2001, @13:08
      I think that everyone agreed that it would be cool to have it in a seperate package labeled religion.
      [ Reply To This | View ]
      • Re: Apps Roundup #2: Focus on Bibletime 1.0
        by Shrek on Tuesday 17/Jul/2001, @13:53
        I have no qualms with that.
        [ Reply To This | View ]
    • Re: Apps Roundup #2: Focus on Bibletime 1.0
      by Chris Bordeman on Tuesday 17/Jul/2001, @16:47
      I agree it shouldn't be in the distro, since it is clearly not an app most people would use. I think the guy who's motivation is simply to censor anything religious, a prime example of liberal intolerance of any thinking not in line with their own narrow views.
      [ Reply To This | View ]
      • Re: Apps Roundup #2: Focus on Bibletime 1.0
        by Shrek on Wednesday 18/Jul/2001, @04:19
        By reading the guy's other posts, I don't believe that he wants to censor anything. He was just saying that it shouldn't be in the main distro (maybe in a separate religion package). The concern is that we should not promote one religion over another, lest we offend other faiths. The best way for KDE to not offend anybody is to do nothing and stay secular (as KDE has always done). There is nothing <i>wrong</i> with this app, but people just shouldn't be forced to install it as part of KDE (they should have the choice). That's what I think he was trying to say, so in other words he is in agreement with us.
        [ Reply To This | View ]
        • Re: Apps Roundup #2: Focus on Bibletime 1.0
          by Per Wigren on Wednesday 18/Jul/2001, @19:40
          Thank you! My intention was never to start a religious war... :)

          I should have been clearer in my first post so I wouldn't get so many flaimbait-answers that I just *HAD* to bite back on.... :-)

          May whatever-you-put-your-faith-in be with you!
          [ Reply To This | View ]
Re: Apps Roundup #2: Focus on Bibletime 1.0
by Rick Kreikebaum on Saturday 21/Jul/2001, @22:00
actually, it is not right to group christianity by churches, like protestantism and catholicism and such. christianity should be defined as believing in the bible and living your life accordingly. some common catholic practices such as praying to mary and the saints are simply not biblical, therefore people that follow such practices should not be considered christian regardless of their "label." i'm not saying that people that label themselves by church cannot be true christians. i just think it can be misleading. as a christian, i don't label myself as "babtist" or "catholic" or "protestant" or anything like that. i label myself as "christian," which means "follower of christ," which is what i am.
[ Reply To This | View ]
The Fine Print: The previous comments are owned by whomever posted them.
( Reply )

  "We were risking our release, Simon loses way too much time on Klondike." -- Stephan Kulow
KDE®, "K Desktop Environment", "KDE Dot News", "got the dot?" and the KDE Logo® are trademarks or registered trademarks of KDE e.V. in the European Union, the United States and other countries. All other trademarks and copyrights on this page are owned by their respective owners. Comments are owned by the poster. The rest: Copyright © 2000-2008 KDE e.V. for The KDE Project. For further information or comments on this site, please contact the Webmaster.
[ home | post article | flat forty | subscribe | search | rdf ]