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Re: KDE 2.2 Release Schedule Update
by Havard Bjastad on Wednesday 18/Jul/2001, @06:44

What's really missing in KDE (compared to GNOME) is something like Ximian's Red Carpet. Are there any plans to create something similar for KDE?

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Re: KDE 2.2 Release Schedule Update
by Navindra Umanee on Wednesday 18/Jul/2001, @08:18

Red Carpet is a service provided by Ximian. This service requires making binary packages for many applications for each distribution. Such a service requires a lot of boring work and manpower. Ximian, being a company, has such resources.

How do you propose a free software project like KDE go about providing such a service? In fact, you would need a whole team dedicated to providing updates and building binary packages on who knows how many platforms.

In fact, isn't this the job of your distribution?

When Kent completes the KDE installer, perhaps KDE.com can provide a paid service by providing appropriate XML files and binary packages for the various applications listed on apps.kde.com. But the manpower and resource problem remains.

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Re: KDE 2.2 Release Schedule Update
by Havard Bjastad on Wednesday 18/Jul/2001, @09:48

Yes, Red Carpet is a service, but I guess what I had in mind was for KDE to create something like the Red Carpet _application_. To my best understanding KDE already provides most of what's needed: Binaries for various distributions.

For instance, being a RedHat user, I can go to kde.org and download new RPMs. However, what Red Carpet (the application) provides for GNOME, is handling the following tasks for me:
1. Check for updated RPMs
2. Let me select which of the new RPMs I want
3. Download and install the selected RPMs

Shouldn't it be possible for KDE to create an application that does the above? I realize that supporting _all_ distributions may be too big of a task, but if you support RPM-based distributions you'll still cover a lot of ground (and maybe someone else will extend the application to support other distributions).

Just to make myself clear: This idea is all based on the binary packages already being available.

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Re: KDE 2.2 Release Schedule Update
by Lauri Watts on Wednesday 18/Jul/2001, @12:35

KDE does not provide the packages. KDE doesn't make the packages. The distributions make the packages, and KDE provides space for them on the KDE FTP servers as a courtesy. KDE provides the sources only.

It's a resource issue, KDE does not have the resources to provide such a thing.

Go look at this page where the KDE policy is explained very thoroughly:

http://dot.kde.org/986933826/

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Re: KDE 2.2 Release Schedule Update
by Alex on Wednesday 18/Jul/2001, @12:57

Mandrake8.0 has similar service available and not just for one application (or group of apps) but the whole system. Try it!

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Re: KDE 2.2 Release Schedule Update
by Havard Bjastad on Wednesday 18/Jul/2001, @17:03

I'd be very interested in taking a look at it! Could you please point me to where I can find more info, or should I just start searching Mandrake's site?

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Re: KDE 2.2 Release Schedule Update
by Magnus Pym on Thursday 19/Jul/2001, @12:40

Mandrake8.0 provides only security updates.
It does not provide "feature updates".

That is, you get an updated version of a package
only if the latest version fixes a security
bug. If the latest version just adds features,
they do not provide it.

Of course, they do provide the latest binaries
of KDE.

Magnus.

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Re: KDE 2.2 Release Schedule Update
by Kevin Shaum on Thursday 19/Jul/2001, @17:11

>Mandrake8.0 provides only security updates.
>It does not provide "feature updates".

Not true, or at least, no longer true. With Mandrake 8.0, MandrakeUpdate now allows you to fetch and install packages from the "Cooker" development collection (the equivalent of Red Hat's "Rawhide").

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Re: KDE 2.2 Release Schedule Update
by ferdinand on Wednesday 18/Jul/2001, @17:05

SuSE 7.1 provides Online update facility in YAST2 - it does exactly what you described.

You migth also take a look at autorpm and kpackage, autorpm downloads defined (installed and/or new packages) fist and it's up to you to to install it afterwards manualy or automaticaly

ferdinand

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Re: KDE 2.2 Release Schedule Update
by someone on Wednesday 18/Jul/2001, @19:11

Correct me, but SuSE provides only patch-information which fix bugs for their Online Update. There is a lot more available on their FTP-Server than what it offers to you (KDE 2.1, Gnome 1.4, XFree 4.1 to mention).

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Re: KDE 2.2 Release Schedule Update
by ferdinand on Thursday 19/Jul/2001, @03:11

Yes, that's propably true. Didn't try yet.

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