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  KC KDE Issue #20
Developer Posted by Dre on Friday 24/Aug/2001, @22:28
from the from-the-development-front dept.
Aaron J. Seigo is back with another issue of Kernel Cousin KDE, Issue #20 for Aug. 10. Due to Zack's vacation, the issue is temporarily being hosted here. Check it out for stories on continuing efforts to improve Konqueror's support for EMCAScript (JavaScript), security issues when using webform completion, efforts to create SCP and SFTP KIOSlaves, and much more.


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HeirMenus Status Report
by David Joham on Friday 24/Aug/2001, @23:14
Since the time of that status update, I've done a lot more work on finding out what is really going wrong with the HeirMenus.

At the moment, there are two main issues with the menus. The first is (I think) a problem with the order in which Konqueror fires mouseover and mouseout events. I've logged a bug (30440) to address this. The second bug should be simple to fix. It addresses Konqueror not supporting cssfloat properly in JavaScript. This bug is 30086.

Hopefully, some kind C++ hacker will get to this before 2.2.1 and I'll see if that gets the menus going.

While getting the HeirMenus to work in Konqueror has been challenging to say the least, I have to admit I was rather bored during the 10 minutes or so it took me to get the JavaScript menu API at brothercake.com working. You can see the homepage of these menus at http://www.brothercake.com/dropdown/index.html. I've been in contact with the author and his next release will incorporate my changes (all three of them) into his code and Konqueror will be a supported platform! Kudo's to the Konqueror team. Short of a confused sniffer script, this code worked in Konqueror just about out of the box!

David
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The best useful improvements about Konqueror
by Alain on Saturday 25/Aug/2001, @00:11
Thank you for this Kernel Cousin !
It is said :

> KDE3 will therefore have the usual number of new features and improvements in the applications that everyone has come to expect in a new release.

Well, and the old features and improvements ? Are they finished ? Are they all well working ? Isn'it a priority ?

> Ask KDE users what the weakest link in Konqueror's web browsing technology chain is and many, if not most, will say "Javascript".

I am not among these "many" and among these "most". I rarely have javascripts problems, but I have problems with Konqueror about what should be my use of every day, and some ones were not fixed by the new 2.2 release ;

- The lenght URL box in the URL toolbar is extensible. So you begin to pretty configure Konqui, you put the bookmarks toolbar on the right of the URL toolbar
for an useful gain of place, and you surf... Then suddendly, you call a very long URL,Vvvvv... the extensible URL Box is now on all the lenghth of the
screen. The bookmarks bar is under the URL Bar and, even, the Entry button of the URL bar is hidden. Grrrr... How to restore the configuration ? There are around 20 URL in the URL box and there is no parameter to remove it. So The only solution I have found : type the URL http://1 then 2.. until 20 !

- The Local Network is empty (use "lisa -K" ? No... Where is the doc ? Why it is not automaticaly done ?)

- In the KDE 2.2 I do not reach to put my FTP site icon in the Network (I reached in 2.1.1...). After giving the password, the directory is said bad...

- 1 time I put the Babel translation button in the main bar, then it desappeared and now I do not succeed to put it again

- I don't like cookies, but it is necessary for some sites and it is tiring to accept/refuse 1 by 1. It is impossible to delete all the cookies excepted for authorised sites. So I only can delete all cookies and type again my informations in my used sites. What is the utility of authorised sites for me ? (it lacks, near the button "Delete" a check box "excepted for authorised site" - bug report already posted)

- Konqueror is installed with embedded Kmid. Kmid id displayed in the page and sometimes hides the text. The only way to see the text is to copy it and paste
it in an editor, wow... Also, on my PC, Kmid gives an error message, however KMidi works well. I spent a big time for trying to replace KMid by KMidi when clicking on a .mid link : impossible. Grrr... What is the use of the
"incorporation" sheet parameters ? Whatever I do about .mid things, nothing is changed...

- Sometimes in the file management, there is an Html file that I want to view as Web Page. Clicking on it displays it on the little frame where it is. I want to
display it on a big new windows : impossible !! (I mean not easily possible, of course...) I thought than in the right click there would be an option as "Open in a new window" (it is only possible with Netscape and Cie !!)...
No...

- Sometimes, after opening KDE, I can't launch Konqui. I have to restart KDE 1, 2 or 3 times... It is to associate with another very bad thing : sometimes, after opening KDE, the desktop icons are all aligned in the top.
Grrrr... I have to restart KDE and give the good place for each icon !! So yesterday, after restarting 2 times, Konqui was OK, but the icons were bad, I was glad... Yes, yes, fixing such a thing is many more important that improving Javascript...

- I may speak about Java, the difficult installation and the bad result (many applets don't work...), but here it is less important than Javascript...

And I forget some little things... And I don't speak about some general KDE lacks (Confusion between copy-paste / middle button, not key shortcut F3 to
search again...)

Well Konqui is a great program, the KDE users like it very much. It means that we wish the defaults to be fixed.They are for us many more important that the
big useful (yes...) work on javascript. Please, give priority on the finishing.
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CPU and artsd
by Carlos Rodrigues on Saturday 25/Aug/2001, @08:12
One thing that puzzles me is why in hell does artsd keep eating cpu even when it isn't playing any sound? I already checked the suspend when idle option (60 seconds) but it never gets suspended. Trying to suspend artsd in artsshell trigers a artsd busy response. Annoying.
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Questions about KDE 2.2
by Kujo on Saturday 25/Aug/2001, @09:18
I want to start by saying that KDE 2.2 is a huge jump in the usabillity of linux on the desktop. I look forward to the 3.x series being even better! Oh and the new sound server rocks. It used to hog my CPU and skip and now I can play many songs/sounds/movies all at the same time and it can handle it. KDE deffinately has the best sound linux has to offer! Now if only real audio used kde sound server.

I have a couple of questions.

1) Is it possible to get the kdm login background just blank, you know so just the default X gray mesh is displayed? I like that in the login screen for some reason.

2) Is is possible to get the file open dialog to display the same file locations in the drop down as I have configured in the classic side bar part of the konqueror file manager? I have short cuts to my music directory etc. and that way my wife doesn't have to know that the mp3's she wants to listen to is in /mnt/windows_d/ftpsite/mp3s. It's just under /Music.

Thanks.
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KOffice 1.1
by impatient on Saturday 25/Aug/2001, @10:27
No news about the delay of KOffice 1.1?
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netscape/mozilla plugin support in Konq
by bruno majewski on Saturday 25/Aug/2001, @10:34
Well, I've *just* tried to listen to a sample from this recent Bela Fleck album on www.towerrecords.com and it was very painfull to get just Real Audio to install/work.

This seems to be the weak point of the whole *nix user web experience. I have *never* been able to get any browser to easily install/invoke a plugin like it can be done under Window$ or MacOS. You follow all the instructions, everything seems to be in the right spot, but every time you click on some RealAudio or Flash link, the (appropriate) player does not allways come up. Ok, RA does come up more often than not, but forget Flash. 'never worked (simply go to www.real.com to see a proof of this), even though it should have. I'm still surprised RA works, as I can't find the plugin file...

I'm just talking about 2 plugins here, but there are many more: Liquid Audio, QuickTime, AuthorWare (MacroMedia), etc. How many are there out in the wild that do not work under Konq?

I must say Konqueror is growing on me: it is fast and accurate (can't render www.archambault.ca, though), it will now let me conduct business on the web... But the fact that plugin invocation is not as smooth as on the dominating commercial OSes is a big point against it. As a user, methinks that a lot of work should go into that area -- or is it just a question of getting those big companies out there to recognize the existence of Linux/FreeBSD-based browsers and write compatible plugins?

The "Internet User Experience" is getting better under KDE (can't comment for The Other Desktop), but it is still not there, so let's not rest too early on our collective laurels.

While I'm not an active coder (I've been trained in the days of punched cards and paper tape), I'm willing to help in testing of code (that's why I keep a removable HD with Debian on it), if this can help.
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Good discussion and review of KDE2.2 and KMail at:
by Rosie Palm on Saturday 25/Aug/2001, @11:04
http://www.linuxports.com/entry.lxp?lxpe=106

good points raised (but sigh people need to file BUG reports not rant on one of the 2000 webblogs devoted to Linux ;-D ) and some good Q's
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scp and sftp are very important!
by anonymous on Saturday 25/Aug/2001, @16:14
> efforts to create SCP and SFTP KIOSlaves

Man, this is great! I've been waiting for that feature for so long! Soon we'll have an easy, secure and _comfortable_ way to transfer files among unix machines!

Thank you very much! KDE is wonderful!
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And speaking of Konqueror scripting...
by Carbon on Saturday 25/Aug/2001, @17:31
Whatever happened to ActiveX support in Konqi, ReaKtivate i think it was called?
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Shutdown (not logoff) from KDE
by Dorkus on Sunday 26/Aug/2001, @09:18
I have converted the PC that my wife and kids use from Win98 to KDE. I've got it so that it boots right into KDE and they don't have to login at KDM.

How do I make it so they can shutdown, instead of logout, from KDE. If they logout, they end up back at KDM which is what I'm trying to avoid. I want them to be able to shutdown (or reboot) from KDE, not KDM.

BTW.. KDE is great.. thanks for all the hard work.
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security-convienence slidebar in kpersonalizer
by Pyretic on Monday 27/Aug/2001, @02:45
Just read the item about "Web Form Autocompletion and Sensitive Data" in Kernel Cousin Kde #20, maybe it would be a good idea to have a kind of slidebar where the user can set the balance between security and convinience, kinda like Eyecandy-O-Meter we have now. I'm not sure how many security/convinience options there out there but it might be worth considering.
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Konquerer, Javascript, & Hotmail
by JC on Monday 27/Aug/2001, @09:06
Anyone else having problems with Hotmail after upgrading to 2.2? KDE 2.1 seemed to be 100% compatible w/ Hotmail, but 2.2 seems to have lots of javascript problems. I can't send or delete anything.

It's a bit of a bummer!
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Java issue
by DrNo on Monday 27/Aug/2001, @12:23
When I was young I thought Java was to be the Panacea for computing. It turned out to be the headachea
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Addressbook format
by Alexx on Monday 27/Aug/2001, @23:59
Just one question: Why are, as of 2.2, kab and kaddressbook still using slightly different formats to store contact information in the KDE addressbook? kaddressbook uses a field "custom:KMail:1.0"(?!?!?) or something like that, e.g. for postal addresses, while kab uses "X-foo" entries. Now, which program should I use to store all my contacts? Only basic information like name and email is exchangable! That's probably not the idea of a centralized KDE addressbook! Or am I doing something wrong?!?!?
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