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Re: The best useful improvements about Konqueror
by Aaron J. Seigo on Saturday 25/Aug/2001, @17:46
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> Try during some days to place a toolbar near
> the URL bar on top, in the same level and you
> will see the problem
i have been surfing that way all day today, just to see if i could duplicate the problem... i have not been able to get it to jump to a lower toolbar, even though i surfed long and hard through amazon.com's long URLs that were several times as long as the width of the location bar.. am i misunderstanding the problem you were having?
> Sorry, it is not funny to see that I cannot
> put the translation button on the main
> toolbar. Have you try ?
you are correct that it doesn't show up on the main toolbar. but it does show up on the Extras Toolbar. click on Settings -> Show Extra Toolbar. if you want everything on one toolbar, you could add all the items that are in the main toolbar to the extras toolbar, then hide the main toolbar and just show the extras toolbar. this could be made better, but there are ways around it for now. (oh, and don't forget to save the viewing profile (Window -> Save View Profile) to make changes stick.)
another thing that could be made better is how each extra gets its own "toolbar" in the Configure Toolbars area which isn't very intuitive IMO. i think these issues are due to how plugins are handled by konqi and...
> Sorry, it don't work with Kmid. Have you try
> to replace Kmid by Kmidi ?
no, but i have done it with many, many other mime types and it has always worked well.. did you change it for both external and embedded viewing?
> by right clicking, no (to put an Html page
> (seen as icon) in a new Konqueror window).
right click on the icon, go to Open With and select Konqueror.
> Now the end user must know the "ins and outs
> of this very complex applications"
well, it should be as easy to use and learn as possible (KDE isn't 100% there yet, and the usability project is working towards this end). but no matter how "obvious" and "user friendly" a program is, it will still require some learning on the part of the user.
> and more the "ins and outs of how KDE is
> packadged by their distros"
no, not at all. instead their distributor should do a good job of packaging software so their users don't end up with complaints about things like not being able to browse windows shares w/out doing a bunch of extra configuration.
> don't understand that Konqueror has a local
> network icon and that I don't see my local
> network inside. You say that it is not the
> problem of KDE, that it is the distro problem.
> Sorry, it is the Konqueror icon that don't
> work so Konqueror don't works right. And now
i agree that it will seem like a konqueror problem to an end user. however, the KDE project can not control how well or how poorly a distro packages KDE. i am not saying that the icon being there but not working is a good thing, merely that the people that would most likely be able to fix the issue is whomever packaged KDE for your system. (or maybe you just don't have any windows shares on your network?)
> At first give attention for all the daily
> irritating things for users, by giving
> improvement so that KDE will be very well
> finished...
and of course, you do know the best way to make sure that happens, right? get involved! even if you aren't a programmer, there is lots to be done. if you are interested in usability issues, perhaps subscribe to the usability list and give them a hand there... |
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Recommandations for distros about good KDE install
by Alain on Sunday 26/Aug/2001, @00:23
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> i have not been able to get it to jump to a lower toolbar
So, for example, if your URL toolbar is always 2/3 of the screen width (1/3 for bookmarks toolbar), it keeps always the same lenght ? When you have a very long URL (more that the lenght of screen), you are always 2/3 ?... It is strange that KDE has so different reactions on 2 standard (I think) installation...
> it doesn't show up on the main toolbar. but it does show up on the Extras Toolbar.
Sorry, I do not use the extra bar. However, perhaps it is possible to add this extra bar, with only 1 button, near the URL+bookmarks bars, I try... No, it is impossible to have only 1 button on this extra bar. 5 other buttons (that I don't need) are automatically added, so I have not the place in my configuration...
I read what you say about extra bars. I don't share your advice, I think that the configuration toolbars is intuitive and good, excepted when it don't show some automatically added icons. And the problem (I say the bug) it that the translation button (and some others ?) cannot go on the main toolbar (however it is possible in the config...)
> i have done it with many, many other mime types and it has always worked well.
I said the same thing before trying to replace Kmid by Kmidi.
> did you change it for both external and embedded viewing?
Yes.
> right click on the icon, go to Open With and select Konqueror.
I right click and I see the menu "Open with" :
Kate - Advanced editor - Quanta Plus - Lynx - Galeon - Mozilla - NEdit - GEdit
How I select Konqueror, please ? (of course I don't have changed the default configation, excepted perhaps by moving Kate before Advanced Editor)
> but no matter how "obvious" and "user friendly" a program is, it will still require some learning on the part of the user.
Yes, some learning, not understanding the ins and outs of complex things.
> however, the KDE project can not control how well or how poorly a distro packages KDE.
I think you have to work also to avoid bad packagers, so that they don't let things that don't work for end users. I wish that you write some public "Recommandations" for the distros and that you display how each popular distro follows these recommandations. It would be a good thing that KDE users may choose on objective facts the distributor who has the best installation of KDE.
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Re: Recommandations for distros about good KDE install
by Carsten Pfeiffer on Sunday 26/Aug/2001, @16:49
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> Sorry, I do not use the extra bar. However,
> perhaps it is possible to add this extra bar, > with only 1 button, near the URL+bookmarks
> bars, I try... No, it is impossible to have
> only 1 button on this extra bar. 5 other
> buttons (that I don't need) are automatically > added, so I have not the place in my configuration...
Well, we can't please everybody by default (how could we know who wants which buttons in the extra-toolbar?). That's why it's configurable. You get a choice of default-buttons in that bar and configure it to your liking. Remove all but the one you want to have and all is fine, right?
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Re: Recommandations for distros about good KDE install
by Alain on Sunday 26/Aug/2001, @22:28
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> Remove all but the one you want to have and all is fine, right?
Sorry, I cannot remove "all but the one". There are 6 icons in the toolbars and in the configuration there is only 1 icon (translation, the one I put in). So I cannot remove the 5 others...
Perhaps by going somewhere in some .kde subdirectory, I don't try, it may wear some secundary effects...
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Re: Recommandations for distros about good KDE install
by Carsten Pfeiffer on Monday 27/Aug/2001, @02:29
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Well, it does work, I've done it myself. You just have to select the proper toolbar and remove everything you don't need. The entry with the default buttons is called "Extra-Toolbar <Konqueror>" for me.
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Adventures in the toolbars jungle
by Alain on Monday 27/Aug/2001, @07:35
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> The entry with the default buttons is called "Extra-Toolbar <Konqueror>" for me.
For me too, and the so called bar has1 icon "Translate web page" in the configuration while the toolbar has 6 icons.
Now in configuration, I delete the translation button and save. The toolbar has always 6 buttons, included the translation one.
I go again in the configuration : there is 0 button in the Extra toolbar <Konqueror>
Haa, perhaps I understand.. I see in configuration :
- Extra toolbar <Konqueror> with 0 buttons
- and then 6 other "Extra toolbar", from <Babelfish> to <UserChangerAgent>, it's foolish !...
Now in the Extra <UserChangerAgent>, I delete the unique button <UserChangerAgent>, and the toolbar has 5 icons instead of 6. So I then delete the unique button of the 4 other ExtraToolbars, and my Extra Toolbar has at least only one icon...
So now in the configuration, I have 6 ExtraToolBars (including <Konqueror>) without 0 icon and one "ExtraToolBar <babelfish>" with 1 icon.
Hmmm. Now, I feel better to have Babelfish directly on the URL toolbar... I try : no, it don't work, as when I tried on the main bar...
So I try to put the my 3 top toolbars (extra, URL, bookmarks) on the same line. Difficult, I do "Empty contents"... No... I cannot.. I only reach to put extra near URL, but It is impossible to put URL near bookmarks as it was before... I open a new window, I display the extra tool bar, and yes, it is good the 3 bars are on the same line. I call the dot.kde site I click on a "Reply" link with long URL, yes it is still good, so better than yesterday when my bars jumped on several level...
Is it the end of my adventures in the Konqueror toolbars jungle ?
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Re: The best useful improvements about Konqueror
by Nadeem Hasan on Monday 27/Aug/2001, @08:59
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>> Try during some days to place a toolbar near
>> the URL bar on top, in the same level and you
>> will see the problem
> i have been surfing that way all day today, just
> to see if i could duplicate the problem... i
> have not been able to get it to jump to a lower
> toolbar, even though i surfed long and hard
> through amazon.com's long URLs that were
> several times as long as the width of the
> location bar..
It is strange that you have not seen it. Toolbar
handling is very flaky in KDE for a long time. Try
moving around and resizing toolbars...I also have
the location & button toolbars setup next to each
other. A lot of times they appear below each other.
I have seen this when switching to file mode.
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Re: The best useful improvements about Konqueror
by Aaron J. Seigo on Monday 27/Aug/2001, @11:16
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i agree that toolbars have room to improve in kde, but they have gotten much better. for instance in 2.2 each profile remembers its own toolbar settings, toolbars tend to respect the desktop settings better, etc... not all is roses yet as some toolbars still have (annoying) blank space at the end of them which prevents one from abutting two toolbars directly together, and other toolbars are simply painful to move around (due to the internal layouts).
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Re: The best useful improvements about Konqueror
by Erik on Wednesday 29/Aug/2001, @00:53
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I have this problem too.
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