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netscape/mozilla plugin support in Konq
by bruno majewski on Saturday 25/Aug/2001, @10:34
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Well, I've *just* tried to listen to a sample from this recent Bela Fleck album on www.towerrecords.com and it was very painfull to get just Real Audio to install/work.
This seems to be the weak point of the whole *nix user web experience. I have *never* been able to get any browser to easily install/invoke a plugin like it can be done under Window$ or MacOS. You follow all the instructions, everything seems to be in the right spot, but every time you click on some RealAudio or Flash link, the (appropriate) player does not allways come up. Ok, RA does come up more often than not, but forget Flash. 'never worked (simply go to www.real.com to see a proof of this), even though it should have. I'm still surprised RA works, as I can't find the plugin file...
I'm just talking about 2 plugins here, but there are many more: Liquid Audio, QuickTime, AuthorWare (MacroMedia), etc. How many are there out in the wild that do not work under Konq?
I must say Konqueror is growing on me: it is fast and accurate (can't render www.archambault.ca, though), it will now let me conduct business on the web... But the fact that plugin invocation is not as smooth as on the dominating commercial OSes is a big point against it. As a user, methinks that a lot of work should go into that area -- or is it just a question of getting those big companies out there to recognize the existence of Linux/FreeBSD-based browsers and write compatible plugins?
The "Internet User Experience" is getting better under KDE (can't comment for The Other Desktop), but it is still not there, so let's not rest too early on our collective laurels.
While I'm not an active coder (I've been trained in the days of punched cards and paper tape), I'm willing to help in testing of code (that's why I keep a removable HD with Debian on it), if this can help. |
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Re: netscape/mozilla plugin support in Konq
by Rosie Palm on Saturday 25/Aug/2001, @11:10
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Might make it easier to view certain pages if you could switch rendering "backends" on the fly. Eg: flash is working wonderfully on estudio.com in mozilla but I can't get Konqui to view the same site properly.
Konqueror *will* work on that site (with he flash plugin) but if rather than fiddling with my konqui setup I could just use an option like "Retry site with different rending engine?" to load gecko/mozilla inside Konqueror that would be cool.
BTW does www.estudio.com give anyone ideas for uhh hehe fancy menus for KDE.30 usign Qt-3.0's fancy new routines and graphics capabilities ;-)
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Re: netscape/mozilla plugin support in Konq
by not me on Saturday 25/Aug/2001, @23:02
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Actually, you can embed Mozilla (Gecko) into Konqueror - if you have the "kdeaddons" package installed. It should show up in the View menu, I believe.
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Re: netscape/mozilla plugin support in Konq
by ck on Sunday 26/Aug/2001, @02:42
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(sigh)
I've done it and it's still quite broken. Menus dont interact with the gecko engine(back, forward); context sensitive menus dont work (right click) and anything on a web page that comes from a different server (eg ad) replaces the rendered page entirely with itself (a very successful ad).
With time this will be the best option for browsing with mozilla for those who use kde. But for now it's unusable.
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Re: netscape/mozilla plugin support in Konq
by Maarten Stolte on Sunday 26/Aug/2001, @01:14
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I just watched both real.com and estudio.com with flash in my konqueror, without any troubles. This is on a Debian SID with KDE2.2, all out of the box. It was upgraded from a progenylinux, which had flash already, and konqueror picked it up fine.
Real audio/video works fine for me too, just hope the person from real who mailed the kde mailinglist once will integrate it even better into kde (mimetypes etc).
And for the non-unix plugins, i tested reaktivate with flash, which worked fine, but ofcourse,it's not flash i want it for, but windows media and quicktime.....go get to work all of you who know c++ ;)
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Re: netscape/mozilla plugin support in Konq
by Aaron J. Seigo on Saturday 25/Aug/2001, @12:04
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many of the plugins you mention are not available for linux or other Unixes. why? because the companies that make them don't care. for (a very frustrating) example: apple really doesn't care about supporting free operating systems with their quicktime technology even though their new OS is built on the foundation of free operating systems. people have even offered to do the implementation, sign NDAs, etc... still no go. FEH.
for things like flash that are to be found for Linux, you need to have lesstif installed (a free motif replacement) for the netscape plugin system to work in konqi.
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Re: netscape/mozilla plugin support in Konq
by bruno majewski on Saturday 25/Aug/2001, @21:36
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I do have lesstif installed (well, "lesstif1" from Debian Sid (the unstable one)) and, despite that, anything smelling like flash does not work. www.real.com still wants me to install flash each time I hit it, pops up a multitude of windows and is very annoying.
I wonder what causes the disconnect, here. Could it be more a Debian Sid bug than a KDE bug, maybe?
I guess I'll give Debian Woody (V3) when it comes out officially, maybe something got hosed when I went from Potato to Woody and now to Sid...
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Re: netscape/mozilla plugin support in Konq
by Jon on Sunday 26/Aug/2001, @00:26
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There are two types of 'Flash'. One has a Linux Netscape plugin, one doesn't... so you won't be able to view the crap animation until Macromedia get their act together.
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Re: netscape/mozilla plugin support in Konq
by Evandro on Sunday 26/Aug/2001, @10:00
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But do you have the netscape package that includes the flash plugin installed? Have you configured Konqueror to search for Netscape plugins?
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Re: netscape/mozilla plugin support in Konq
by bruno majewski on Sunday 26/Aug/2001, @14:09
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If I look in Konq's settings, I can see there is already a list of directories for NS plugins, which looks "active" to me -- i.e., Konq will look into them. Proof in point: RA will work now with RA links from music webstores.
But not Flash (not to repeat myself but just to emphasize the point...).
I don't have any Debian NetScape package, I have Sid's Mozilla 0.93+ ... Should I install the NS package just to have plugins, not to use the browser?
Well, why not, I'll give it a try, I have nothing to lose.
p.s.: out of curiosity, anyone have problems defining a network (lpd) printer in KDE? The control centre segfaults on me every time after I enter the IP address and the queue name... Ideas?
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Re: netscape/mozilla plugin support in Konq
by bruno majewski on Sunday 26/Aug/2001, @16:03
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I've just apt-get install'ed netscape (4.77, comes only from Debian Woody, not Sid ?!), copied the 2 files for Flash into the plugin directory, launched Konq, checked to see if the Flash plugin was scanned/installed (yes), hit www.real.com...
and got quite a few windows saying please download flash player, yada yada yada... (only once should suffice, why 3, 4 times?). Then hit www.macromedia.com and got more or less the same result (except many more windows).
I don't get it. It should work, but it doesn't. Like defining a "remote" lpd printer under kde 2.2. Now I'm starting to wonder if I did not hose something with my Debian instance.
Anyone has any suggestion about this? Thanks.
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Re: netscape/mozilla plugin support in Konq
by Evandro on Sunday 26/Aug/2001, @18:51
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You don't need to copy the plug-ins anywhere.
The Netscape package will install the two files needed to the netscape dir in /usr/lib. I'm not sure what's the location in the Debian packages, but it's something like /usr/lib/netscape/plugin. Make sure what the directory is and that it's in the list of scanned netscape plugins directories.
After that's done run the nspluginscan command.
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Re: netscape/mozilla plugin support in Konq
by Markus Naeher on Saturday 01/Mar/2003, @18:50
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I did exactly these steps, but on my Debian 3.0 it also dows not work.
I have the same result as Bruno Majewski: Konq opens 3 - 4 windows with macromedia's download page as URL.
I checked Konq's "Netscape Plugins" over and over again.
After scanning, the list of found plugins does contain libflashplayer.so
So what can be wrong ?
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Re: netscape/mozilla plugin support in Konq
by renoX on Sunday 26/Aug/2001, @11:35
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estudio works normaly for me.
real.com works also but you have to change your browser identification.
I agree that the installation of plugins is poorly documented though.. I had quite a hard time making it work "correctly".
The real player is a POS though: its memory usage keeps growing and growing until it dies.. :-(
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Re: netscape/mozilla plugin support in Konq
by Jon on Sunday 26/Aug/2001, @00:29
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<i>Well, I've *just* tried to listen to a sample from this recent Bela Fleck album on www.towerrecords.com and it was very painfull to get just Real Audio to install/work.</i>
Simple solution: use
http://www.cdnow.com
instead. They have Real Audio, Windows Media, and MP2 previews of most of the albums they sell -- MP2 being the one you want here.
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*** COULD THIS BE PERMISSION PROBLEMS ? ***
by bruno majewski on Sunday 26/Aug/2001, @16:33
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(Sorry for shouting)
I'm now noticing I cannot get the Real player to work independantly (select it from the KDE menus) as root. After getting an error that the normal user (me, when I'm not logging in as root) using Noatun could not get the sound server to initialize, I'm starting to wonder if the bulk of my problems might not be perm-related. Before I waste to much time (I should go back to finish my damn CCNA book, I'm on the last chapter, damnit!), could someone confirm this?
Then it might explain the Flash problem (which works fine under NetScape, but not with Konq) and the remote printer problem I"ve been having...
Cheers.
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