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Re: Shawn Gordon answers all the questions :)
by antialias on Friday 31/Aug/2001, @12:33
>I really am impressed with the work that has gone into KOffice over the years, but you have to be realistic about it. There is only a couple of people working on it part time. KOffice is so far behind HancomOffice it will never catch up.<

Some contradictions here Shawn. How can you be "impressed with the work gone into KOffice over the years" and then, at the same time say "it will never catch up". You know that KOffice have make tremendous progress in last 8 moths (se here: 8 months) since David Faure came to KOffice project and helped other KOffice developers. Kword, for example, was totally unusable when it was released with KDE 2.0.
At the other hand, HancomOffice has been around for about 10 years (see here: 10 years) and how come that it has never been accepted as an reliable office-suite. Something is rotten here.
If it is true that HancomWord runs through Wine I can just imagine why it has never been widely accepted by Linux users. I doubt it also that it will ever be accepted on windows platform because there are some free office-suites which are totally free there: StarOffice and 602-Office suite. BTW, 602-Office suite is very small and very good.
It sounds a little bit arrogant when you say that KOffice will never catch up. We'll see.

>KDE is interested in the desktop more than the office space, they want to see applications that people will use on the desktop.<

KDE is desktop environment which is IMHO more than pure desktop. Otherwise KDE would ship without Konqueror, Kmail, Knode & other network apps, Games, Multimedia (Music Graphics & Video), KOffice, Utilities etc. etc. What are they if not applications?
So, I don't see that KDE is only "interested in desktop".
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Re: Shawn Gordon answers all the questions :)
by Shawn Gordon on Friday 31/Aug/2001, @12:45
What you don't know or realize is that HancomWord is enormously popular in Asia and has been for a long time, but it was always a Windows application. Hancom made the decision a year or two ago to go to Linux and the word processor was the last piece to move away from Windows. Hancom has never made any serious attempt to penetrate outside of Asia until now, the Korean, Japanese and Chinese markets are very large. They only made an office suite of it 1 year ago, and it has been selling very well with large contracts signed in all of the above mentioned countries.

I can be impressed with KOffice and respect the work that went in to it and still be honost enough to realize it doesn't have the resources to really go hard core forward. It will continue to slowly evolve and will certainly be adequate for many uses.

KDE is primarily interested in having the desktop complete and then getting applications on there. The goal is to have people using KDE. No one gets KDE so they can use Kmail for example.
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  • Re: Shawn Gordon answers all the questions :)
    by Aaron J. Seigo on Friday 31/Aug/2001, @20:31
    > No one gets KDE so they can use Kmail for example.

    you are quite wrong on that one. i know many people who do not run the KDE desktop but run the KDE applications. as a great example, a good friend and developer buddy of mine runs blackbox but keeps up with KDE CVS specifically for 3 applications: konsole, kmail and konqueror. he doesn't care for nor use the rest of the software in kdebase.
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    • Re: Shawn Gordon answers all the questions :)
      by Hasso Tepper on Saturday 01/Sep/2001, @05:16
      I can confirm this. A LOT of users here in Estonia are using KMail, Konqueror and sometimes Koffice apps and Konsole. Mostly they are using Windowmaker or Blackbox as windowmanager.
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      • Re: Shawn Gordon answers all the questions :)
        by Shawn Gordon on Saturday 01/Sep/2001, @08:02
        you guys are missing the point that I made, but that's fine.
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    • Re: Shawn Gordon answers all the questions :)
      by Hetz Ben Hamo on Saturday 01/Sep/2001, @13:52
      I thihk Shawn's point was misunderstood...

      The point is simple - no one installs KDE just to run for example Konsole, or kate, or kvim.

      I'm not making it up - go see people complain why when they want to run Konqueror - it loads the memory with all the services - it is because Konqueror needs every one of them - so it loads them - and people complain about it..

      Lets be realistic on a specific part - if you use Konqueror, konsole and kmail, then there is no point of running Window Maker or gnome as your primary Window management - does it?

      Hetz
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      • Re: Shawn Gordon answers all the questions :)
        by Marko Samastur on Saturday 01/Sep/2001, @15:29
        Yes, you are wrong. Couple of my friends do just that. They download KDE so they can use konqueror and kmail. Actually, for one of them Kmail was THE reason to leave Windows.

        They prefer iceWM as window manager and they are not ready to give it up just because they like some KDE programs. They also don't feel the need for other things like kicker.

        I don't know what Shawn's point was, but I know what mine is. You have all kinds of people who use software for all kinds of things in all kinds of ways. We might guess what majority of them likes, but we certainly can't say what no one does.
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        • Re: Shawn Gordon answers all the questions :)
          by Hetz Ben Hamo on Saturday 01/Sep/2001, @16:55
          You are right about it - but I was talking about the majority ones..

          Back at my previous job 2 years ago - I wish I had a program like Konsole under windows...
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  • Re: Shawn Gordon answers all the questions :)
    by Chris on Saturday 01/Sep/2001, @16:13
    I actually DID get KDE just for Kmail - the vanilla MUAs for Gnome were a pain to set up for POP access. The fact that other nifty stuff also comes with KDE was a happy coincidence.
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