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Re: Miguel...
by Stof on Thursday 06/Sep/2001, @08:45
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> Same for Mozilla.
Mozilla is not part of GNOME, it's independend.
If you want a browser that integrates better than Mozilla, use Galeon.
> And I would miss stable true type font support with AA.
Actually, there is already a patch for AA for GTK+ 1.2.
It's not perfect, but AA and font hinting will be supported completely in GTK+ 2.0.
> Abiword e.g. is nice, but not very gnome specific. Could you please explain
> to me why I would ever choose the gnome variant of an app over a gtk variant?
> What do I get, what do I miss?
GNOME dialog boxes, the use of gnome-print.
The GTK+ version is for people who, for some weird reason, thinks gnome-libs is "bloated", or simply doesn't have gnome-libs installed (though I can't imagine why anybody doesn't want to install gnome-libs).
Compare it to Licq. You can choose to use pure QT or add KDE support.
> Finally Red Carpet: What is this? "Red Carpet, the update tool for ximian is
> a killerapp" It does not work with my distribution, it will trickily remove
> KDE (from what I have heard), it will modify my stystem. How is updating
> an "killer app" ? Check out SuSE You or Debian aptget. Same thing. Not very
> desktop specific
"trickily remove KDE", that problem is resolved long ago.
This was a bug in the dependency handling in some prerelase of Red Carpet.
I use Red Carpet regularly and KDE and all it's apps still works fine without any problems.
And Red Carpet is not tied to GNOME or even RPM.
You can port it to DEB or add a KDE channel (which is not likely to happen, since none of you KDE people trust Ximian for some reason). |
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Re: Miguel...
by Marko Samastur on Thursday 06/Sep/2001, @09:53
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> > And I would miss stable true type font support with AA.
>
> Actually, there is already a patch for AA for GTK+ 1.2.
> It's not perfect, but AA and font hinting will be supported
> completely in GTK+ 2.0.
He said he wanted STABLE true type AA support (now). Why do you reply
with something that you admit is not stable right now, but will be
perfect in FUTURE?
> GNOME dialog boxes, the use of gnome-print.
> The GTK+ version is for people who, for some weird reason,
> thinks gnome-libs is "bloated", or simply doesn't have gnome-libs
> installed (though I can't imagine why anybody doesn't want to
> install gnome-libs).
Why would I install something I don't use? AFAIK, but I could be wrong, GTK+
version of AbiWord doesn't lack any functionality to other versions.
I've used GNOME a bit at this year's OLS and had the same feeling as
last year. Better than used to be, but not there for ME. Neither is KDE, but
it's definitely much closer.
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Re: Miguel...
by Stof on Friday 07/Sep/2001, @07:08
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> Why do you reply with something that you admit
> is not stable right now, but will be perfect in
> FUTURE?
Because it can be a good TEMPORARY solution until the perfect implementation is ready!
Or would you rather wait for GTK+ 2.0?
And besides, the AA patch works very well for many people.
If we use your reasoning, then why should developers release prerelases at all?
Prereleases are not perfect either.
> Why would I install something I don't use? AFAIK,
> but I could be wrong, GTK+ version of AbiWord doesn't lack any
> functionality to other versions.
Then DON'T use it! Nobody force you to download the GNOME version!
Let the developers do what they want to and stop complaining!
Besides, the GNOME version will get Bonobo support in the future.
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Re: Miguel...
by Marko Samastur on Friday 07/Sep/2001, @08:06
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Look, can you tell me which part is so troubling for you to understand?
He said he wants AA support NOW. KDE has it, GNOME doesn't yet (stable one that is). Judging by your replies, even you agree with that, but for some reason you think you need to justify GNOME.
I have nothing against prereleases and I really can't see how you could misconstruct what I think in that way, but I really don't care. It has nothing to do with what was debated.
About second part...you yourself asked why anyone wouldn't want gnome libs and I told you. Because I have no use for it. Abiword (which was application discussed) works the same without it (right now). Someday it probably won't and then I might feel the need to have gnome libs too, but right now there's no such need.
So where did I complain? You probably mean the last paragraph with that but I haven't said anything developers don't think themselves. If they didn't think that, they would have nothing to do because their work would already be finished.
Please grow up.
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Re: Miguel...
by Stof on Friday 07/Sep/2001, @12:02
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> Look, can you tell me which part is so troubling for you to understand?
Can you tell me which part you don't understand?
I never offered a solution, I merely stated that GTK+ 1.2 has limited AA support now and that it will fully support AA in the future.
I never told him that it's a good solution for him.
But don't you think other people deserves the right to know about it?
> Someday it probably won't and then I might feel the need to have gnome
> libs too, but right now there's no such need.
Then what's your problem? It's not like anybody force you to use it.
And porting AbiWord to gnome-libs now will make porting it to GNOME 2.0 and Bonobo much easier, now that the AbiWord codebase is still relatively small.
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Re: Miguel...
by Marko Samastur on Friday 07/Sep/2001, @13:33
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I'm sorry, but you really piss me off. You really like to argue, don't you?
No matter how benign I try to write it, you'll always find something to argue about. If you are such a tender spirit, what the hell are you doing on site where you know you'll find more than plenty of people who disagree with you.
Anyway, I've had enough. I'll just ignore you from now on which is too bad because at first you actually sounded reasonable.
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Re: Miguel...
by Stof on Friday 07/Sep/2001, @15:52
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Oh and you think you don't piss me off? Whenever I try to prove that GNOME is not as inferior as you think, you find another reason to complain about.
If you want to ignore me, then fine, go ignore me. I don't care.
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