JUL
18
2003

Scribus 1.0 Released

Franz Schmid, who has been diligently working on the excellent Desktop Publishing application
Scribus
(screenshots) for over
two years, this week
announced
the first stable release. Available in 17 languages, Scribus is billed as "the first
open source DTP application capable of generating professional 'press-ready' results."
To mark this milestone release, OSNews has
published a review of Scribus 1.0.
In addition, Slashdot has a
thread
on the release
.

Comments

This is a fantastic killer app that is doing much to promote KDE and Qt. I would not be surprised if the likes of RedHat decided they had to install this application by default. That would mean installing Qt at the same time. =)

Thanks Franz!!


By anon at Fri, 2003/07/18 - 5:00am

well, it's not a KDE app, though.


By That guy! But ... at Fri, 2003/07/18 - 5:00am

Which makes me wonder why I have to read about it here, instead of Freshmeat. Or even apps.kde.com. Seems rather unfair to apps like Quanta and KWord. Hopefully we're not going to fall in the GNOME habit of calling everything that happens to share one or two dependencies with KDE a KDE application.


By Rob Kaper at Fri, 2003/07/18 - 5:00am

Referring to Qt as "one or two dependencies" is a little bit extreme. I would love to see the source try after you remove the Qt methods. An app in Qt is considerably similar to an app in KDE - though I definately hate giving up the File Dialog.


By Paul Seamons at Fri, 2003/07/18 - 5:00am

um - source tree


By Paul Seamons at Fri, 2003/07/18 - 5:00am

Quanta and KWord do DTP? That's news to me.


By Anonymous at Fri, 2003/07/18 - 5:00am

No, they are not. But you should know that many people are using Quanta for very strange things, so I can imagine that one is using for DTP...

Andras


By Andras Mantia at Fri, 2003/07/18 - 5:00am

> > Quanta and KWord do DTP? That's news to me.
> No, they are not. But you should know that many people are using Quanta for very strange things, so I can imagine that one is using for DTP...

Quanta is Getting better with DocBook. I know of one person doing a document definition package for Povray. (and you didn't think we did graphics.) BTW PDF is a sort of mark up language, though not a real friendly one.


By Eric Laffoon at Fri, 2003/07/18 - 5:00am

Scribus intergrates with KDE via Drag and Drop, as well as inheriting KDE desktop
themes.


By Anonymous at Fri, 2003/07/18 - 5:00am

> Which makes me wonder why I have to read about it here

Aren't you a dot.kde.org editor? Then you should know result of internal discussion if any happened - or why didn't you start one instead of moaning now? Let me guess, your own "KDEnews" site doesn't run well so you're just bored.


By Anonymous at Fri, 2003/07/18 - 5:00am

No, I am not an editor.

No, I was not bored. I watch DVDs, program, or take photography when I'm bored.

Yes, that site doesn't run well, but only because it ended up low on my list of priorities. The sites that I do actively work on run just fine actually.


By Rob Kaper at Sat, 2003/07/19 - 5:00am

Rob : Don't forget to mention that what slowed down kdenews.unixcode.org was that it didn't have corporate patronage and was running off of your DSL, and that you had to pull the plug on it so that you could eat and stuff.


By Neil Stevens at Sat, 2003/07/19 - 5:00am

And don't forget to mention your private kdenews@unixcode.org list.


By Navindra Umanee at Sun, 2003/07/20 - 5:00am

So are you coming around on secrecy? Or is just a disengenous remark designed to shout down critics?


By Neil Stevens at Tue, 2003/07/22 - 5:00am

I'll stack unixcode's openness against this site's any day.

unixcode's queue of submitted articles has always been open. Where's yours, huh?

unixcode's standard of posted articles was documented on the site. Where's yours, huh?

unixcode never modified people's posts and called posters names, while keeping the modifying editor anonymous. What can you say?


By Neil Stevens at Tue, 2003/07/22 - 5:00am

Maybe your site is so great because it does nothing?


By Navindra Umanee at Tue, 2003/07/22 - 5:00am

> unixcode's standard of posted articles was documented on the site. Where's yours, huh?

Do you see that link called "faq" at the left?


By Anonymous at Tue, 2003/07/22 - 5:00am

Alias, used for technical administration. Not editing or moderation. And actually, that's just a forward to kdenews@lists.capsi.com which has always been unmoderated and open for subscription through kdenews-subscribe. Or use anoy of the other ezmlm-idx options:

To get messages 123 through 145 (a maximum of 100 per request), mail:

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By Rob Kaper at Tue, 2003/07/22 - 5:00am

Pretty cool.


By Navindra Umanee at Tue, 2003/07/22 - 5:00am

Well you were at some point... I guess we didn't announce that you left.


By Navindra Umanee at Sun, 2003/07/20 - 5:00am

Glad to see at least some unworthy news bits don't make it. ;)


By Rob Kaper at Tue, 2003/07/22 - 5:00am

Implying that this article you're making such a fuss about wouldn't have been posted on KDEnews? Seems to me your site has published Qt-only stories.


By Navindra Umanee at Tue, 2003/07/22 - 5:00am

Gee, an anonymous detractor calling for secrecy. What a poor, but by now expected, way for kdenews.org to be run.


By Neil Stevens at Sat, 2003/07/19 - 5:00am

anon. coward...heh..
cya marcel (synth-worldz.de)


By Marcel Partap at Sun, 2003/07/20 - 5:00am

> Which makes me wonder why I have to read about it here, instead of Freshmeat. Or even apps.kde.com. Seems rather unfair to apps like Quanta and KWord.

I don't mind so much. I really hope it continues to get better. Unfortunatly from the little I've done with it the early interface seemed very unintuitive and I was unable to get large text to do line spacing correctly. It would just overwrite the text on the next line. Maybe I think on the wrong level because you may need to set line height independenty with a publsing app, but I couldn't find the setting. I've also really wondered why he didn't release it as a KDE app. File dialogs and other things are better. Still it has a lot of potential and I was able to do things with it I was not able to with other apps. It produced beautiful printed documents too, but it really would have been nice to have the KDE print system used automatically instead of futzing around.

I'm looking forward to trying out this release. As far as it being posted here, it may not be a KDE app, but I think it's of some interest to a lot of KDE users. Frankly I wish it was in KOffice, but there's not doubt they've done a good job at a lot of features you can't get elsewhere.

I'd also like to announce that I'm not developing a PDF package for Quanta. ;-)


By Eric Laffoon at Fri, 2003/07/18 - 5:00am

First: very good work Franz!

Have you ever used it? Or any real DTP application?

You can do DTP with a word processor. WordPerfect does an excelent job with DTP type documents. HOWEVER, doing a DTP document on a true DTP application is a completly different process. You write things with a text editor with NO formating and then import them into the DTP app.

Perhaps some KDE developers would like to help Franz with a native KDE version.

--
JRT


By James Richard Tyrer at Sun, 2003/07/20 - 5:00am

this reminds me of the steadily reoccuring Gnome discussions which apps are actually Gnome apps. we obviously have to keep up with Gnome in that regard so let's start dozens of discussions as well since we have so much time to spare =P


By Datschge at Sat, 2003/07/19 - 5:00am

There's a difference between GNOME and KDE. GNOME was founded to kill KDE. KDE was founded for UI consistency.

For KDE contributors to hyperventilate over apps that don't even take the basic necessary steps to integrate with KDE betrays the reason KDE exists.


By Neil Stevens at Sat, 2003/07/19 - 5:00am

Contributors "to hyperventilate over apps that don't even take the basic necessary steps to integrate with KDE" aren't contributors to KDE, easy as that. I really don't see a need to start a discussion with strong words about something this obvious.

That being said I wish Scribus much success and hope its selling point (fully ISO compilant PDF/X-3 export including transparenty, CMYK separations, ICC color management) can be integrated into KDE libs sometime.


By Datschge at Sat, 2003/07/19 - 5:00am

Red Hat dose install QT by default, if you don't want it you have to remove it after instalation. In anacondas GUI install you can't chose not to install it.


By Me at Sat, 2003/07/19 - 5:00am

When its pdf exporter will be used by every app? It is great!


By Michelinux at Fri, 2003/07/18 - 5:00am

And what about sKribus ?


By Murphy at Fri, 2003/07/18 - 5:00am

Probably when you convice someone to change the name also to Kuanta ;-)


By Unai at Sat, 2003/07/19 - 5:00am

> Probably when you convice someone to change the name also to Kuanta ;-)

Oh! We tried that, but I couldn't kwit spelling it with a kue. ;-)

PS Strangely I can't Quit captializing Q's either. It's Quite a Quandry.

PPS Actually we were going to use "Kuato" from the movie Total Recall... "Start the reactor... Free Mars..."


By Eric Laffoon at Sat, 2003/07/19 - 5:00am

No, I mean a real Kde version...


By Murphy at Sat, 2003/07/19 - 5:00am

I see that Scribus is using an MDI interface. Does anyone know if you can run it in SDI mode as well? MDI is being depreciated and is generally considdered a bad UI choice. It doesn't let you interleave your Scribus documents with documents from other programs, nor does it let you spread documents over multiple desktops.


By André Somers at Fri, 2003/07/18 - 5:00am

I like MDI interfaces. No matter what everyone else says.
BTW, AFAIK there is a MDI class in development which
allows undocking of windows so they can be moved to
other virtual desktops if necessary.
Scribus is really cool. Kudos to the author for his work!!!
What would make it an absolute killer app though would be
the ability to at least import from Quark and/or InDesign.


By Martin at Fri, 2003/07/18 - 5:00am

It looks pretty good to me! No need to change what's not broken. Give it a try if you haven't...


By Anonymous at Fri, 2003/07/18 - 5:00am

I like mdi, too.


By Carlo at Sat, 2003/07/19 - 5:00am

> MDI is being depreciated and is generally considdered a bad UI choice

Keep in mind that in many cases, apps that have MDI interfaces are generally accepted to be more intuative to use than pure SDI interfaces. Take Photoshop versus GIMP (yes, even GIMP 1.3), or Quanta in MDI mode versus Bluefish (which is an alright editor, but has a horrid interface compared to Quanta.)

Only by a very small amount of entities/corporations/people shun MDI (e.g, Microsoft, Apple, KDE/GNOME) .. the rest of the world uses MDI when it makes sense (many, many, many, many, many Windows applications)

I'm generally ambivalent about MDI myself. After riding the wave of MDI-hate that filled the UNIX desktop world for the last few years, I saw a lot of the nice parts of MDI with tabbed browsing in konq/moz/opera and in many MDI apps (such as Photoshop and Quanta)


By anon at Sat, 2003/07/19 - 5:00am

Yes, The GIMP is a real problem. When they ctreated an alternative Menu, such as Jasc Paint shop, it may get a real dent in the market. simply because users want to feel at home. alternative modes for advances user... let's give more choice to the desktop...

Unfortunately there is not KDE paint program that competes with The Gimp.


By Gerd at Sat, 2003/07/19 - 5:00am

I used to love the Gimp. The more complex stuff I started doing the more I began to loathe the interface. Try doing a bump map with several images that have 20 layers each open. The stupid pick list drops your choice off the screen. And forget editing the 20 photos you just took without first finding the toolbox on the taksbar and the layers dialog. Then forget about recursing to the color menus. The gimp is clearly the greatest proof that avoing MDI at all costs is utterly insane. I detest the interface on some tasks.

> Unfortunately there is not KDE paint program that competes with The Gimp.

That's largely because the Gimp is not a paint program. It's an image manipulation program. ;-)

Believe me I'd love to fix it, but I only have so many hours and so many dollars. I would dearly love to take on an additional project like Krita, but it would require some serious sponsorship from somewhere to free up that time and especially to get backbone development support like we have with Quanta. Maybe next year I will strike it rich and be able to plug in another 10-20 hours a week and another developer. Anyway I hope next year the core Quanta application will reach a less demanding state as the features are realized to where I can ponder if this is as insane as it probably is.

Of couse someone else could give up their free time and resources for this project. ;-)


By Eric Laffoon at Sat, 2003/07/19 - 5:00am

You'd better teach it The GIMP...
MDI, SDI, ...

GIMP 2.0 will be released soon together with the HURD Kernel. I will supposed to be be GUI indenpendend...


By Gerd at Sat, 2003/07/19 - 5:00am

I don't think I have a single KDE or Qt application that has it's full complement of icons ...

So many toolbars full of little white boxes!


By OSX_KDE_Interpo... at Sat, 2003/07/19 - 5:00am

"Use the source Luke"
;-)


By Eric Laffoon at Sat, 2003/07/19 - 5:00am

"You need a version 4+ browser to see these images which are png's."

I've used three browsers recently. Firebird 0.6, Mozilla 1.4, and Konqueror 3.1.2. They are all capable of displaying PNGs. Why must people make these stupid statements about what I must use to view a page, when it's quite obvious they don't know what they are talking about?


By Jim at Mon, 2003/07/21 - 5:00am