NOV
7
2003

Quickies: Linus Praises KDE, I-Kubed, Boson 0.9

Andreas Beckermann wrote in to point out the huge amount of progress in the latest release of Boson (0.9), a real time strategy game for KDE. Screenshots here. Right after the beta announcement, KDE user illogic-al submitted his personal preview of KDE 3.2 on I-Kubed.org. It's been noted that there may be inaccuracies in the review -- but can you feel the excitement?!
Finally, several of you also wrote in to point out Linus Torvalds' comments on KDE in a recent interview on OET: "I think the biggest single thing that has happened [...] has been a lot of good library frameworks. Qt in particular I think made a huge difference. And the KDE libraries and toolbuilder infrastructure. [...] I just noticed that the KDE people consider it more important to have it working, and sane.
I don't get involved very much. I used to send a lot of bug reports to the KDE people, until I didn't have bugs anymore and I stopped." Thanks, Linus!

Comments

yup, nice that linus likes it.
but dispite linus not able to find new onces i still find plenty of bugs to be crushed. (especially konqy)

about the structure and such. yes!!! kde rules absolutely here
it really exploits the benifits of the object orientated nature and i found it too be insanely flexible. great work there!

and with new projects as great as kopete and kontact comming into the next stable KDE i see a very bright future for KDE.

keep it going guyes!
KDE is great work!


By Mark Hannessen at Fri, 2003/11/07 - 6:00am

I'd be nice if Linux whould start using CVS and help fixing bugs ;-)


By superstoned at Fri, 2003/11/07 - 6:00am

no, its better to us all, seeing linus working at his domain! he should (and does) his spent his time on doing the kernel-dev stuff.


By gunnar at Fri, 2003/11/07 - 6:00am

Well, I'm in front of a W2000 box, and I found this kubed guy blocked IE requests because not being "standards compliant". Does he thinks he win anything doing this?

Well, I guess I'll see that tonight in home, in my own computer, as I won't download Bloatzilla nor Opera just because he wants Windows people feel his frustration when using www...

BTW, I had a Linux box I mantained here, with KDE, but it died 2 weeks ago. Our 2 another Linuxes are GUI-less servers...


By Julio Gázquez at Fri, 2003/11/07 - 6:00am

Don't be mad of him - as a linux kernel developer he's in permanent touch with microsofts attitude to standards. And I can tell you - if you're trying to implement a something-standard you WILL hate people fussing around with the specification - especially with the goal to "take over" the standard.


By Ruediger Knoerig at Fri, 2003/11/07 - 6:00am

No, it's a pretty stupid thing to do. And he's no linux kernel developer. He barely knows what's going to be in 2.6, and is playing around with precompiled Mandrake kernel packages.


By Evan "JabberWok... at Fri, 2003/11/07 - 6:00am

I guess it's just his way of saying 'this is what it's like when you have a needlessly IE only page.' Call it what you like: stupid, immature, whatever. It's his page, and if he doesn't want to be 'diplomatic' with respect to supporting users, that's his decision.

Personally, I liked the way it reminded me that I'd forgot to switch Opera back to saying it was Opera ;-)


By John Allsup at Fri, 2003/11/07 - 6:00am

no, it's not a pretty stupid thing to do, it's a pretty smart thing to do. does the word Protest have any particular meaning to you? If it does think of this as a protest, if it doesn't i think you should redefine just your standards for stupidity.


By illogic-al at Fri, 2003/11/07 - 6:00am

people here already said it but I'm not a kernel developer.
and yes i do play around with precompiled kernels. As a matter of fact i dont even compile my own kernel anymore. So what if i save a few megs of space, i've got gigs more left :D


By illogic-al at Fri, 2003/11/07 - 6:00am

Well, it worked here with W2K and Firebird. It's not THAT big of a install you know. And you would be doing your part in breaking the IE-hegemony.


By Janne at Fri, 2003/11/07 - 6:00am

Ever used an internet cafe? Not much chance of installing other browsers here...


By V79 at Fri, 2003/11/07 - 6:00am

The one we have here around the corner has Linux with KDE and Mozilla. =P
And 'easy everything' here allows you to do whatever you want to the Windows system, after a time out the system just get hard resetted, data gets wiped out (virtual drive I guess) and freshly rebooted (that's probably the most sane way under Windows *shrug*).
However internet cafes always remind me how much of a time saver tabs really are.


By Datschge at Sat, 2003/11/08 - 6:00am

Julio, i'm not trying to win anything. The 'IE blocker" as i like to call is the for two reasons. One is it's kinda satyrical humor, poking fun at those IE only pages people put up.
More than that though it's a protest against IE and its shitty (yes, i said shitty) CSS support. If the page rendered properly in IE then I'd have no problems letting IE users in. I, however, refuse to 'fix' my page just for them (or you) if they insist on using that browser. if you don't want to download bloatzilla, or opera by all means don't. You have that option (just as I have the option to not allow IE browsers into my site until they get proper css support).


By illogic-al at Fri, 2003/11/07 - 6:00am

And people have the choice not to come to your site....
I'm using Konqueror, no way to see the site correctly. I now know IE won't be better, so I'll simply forget that this site does exist...

Nice way of using the web for sharing informations.... :(


By Rol at Sun, 2003/11/09 - 6:00am

> I'm using Konqueror, no way to see the site correctly.

I'm using Konqueror, two, and everything shows up ok. What's the matter? If you can't see the last line on his 3.2 review just reduce the font size for a moment.

If you wanna protest, illogic-al, why don't you allow IE access to your page *without* fixing it? Thus you don't have extra work and it is some kind of protest, too.

Also, Julio, why not installing Opera? It's fast and lean. At work, I must use IE for some three sites, but mostly I use Opera (which even is my default browser on Windows). I don't know why people tolerate IE anymore. It's too clunky!


By Gr8teful at Mon, 2003/11/10 - 6:00am

I meant I'm using Konqueror, TOO... sorry, not a native English speaker... :-(


By Gr8teful at Mon, 2003/11/10 - 6:00am

sorry about that, I've been messing around with the site for a while so I did probably break it for a while there :-/


By illogic-al at Sat, 2003/11/15 - 6:00am

It's really no different than those multitude of sites that do the same except bring you to a rather blank page stating "This site best experienced using Internet Explorer. Download it for free!"

Doesn't make it any less stupid, though. He's just got lots of company.


By CK at Mon, 2003/11/10 - 6:00am

I installed Boson with apt-get, and gave it a try.

Absolutely great game! It still needs developing, but it's definetly coming along nice.

Seems like there is another game I can show my son :)

Eleknader


By Tapio Kautto at Fri, 2003/11/07 - 6:00am

Will KDE 3.2 get a translation to niederdeutsch/plattdeutsch/lower German - ISO language code nds? I heard about a translation project in the news...

Any details?


By Gerd at Fri, 2003/11/07 - 6:00am

I've heared of a translation to the klingon language as well, so just go for it and create a KDE-i18n-package with all the german dialects on your own - KDE is opensource - everybody can take part and bring useless (but funny) stuff ;-)

SCNR
Pietz


By Andreas Pietzowski at Fri, 2003/11/07 - 6:00am

I don't share the view that a translation to a minority language (not a DIALECT or a FUN language) was "useless". However it would be nonsense to start a project on my own (I can't do that alone) if there already was work in progress. So...


By Gerd at Fri, 2003/11/07 - 6:00am

Is plattdeutsch really a language?!? I thought it's an german dialect spoken in the north. In which country do they speak niederdeutsch or plattdeutsch? Is the bavarian style of talking and writing a language, too?

Thanks for a proper answer
Pietz


By Andreas Pietzowski at Fri, 2003/11/07 - 6:00am

it is a independent language, no dialect. In the european language charter it is recognized as a REgional language. It was spoken in 1/3 of historical Germany and menonite minorities in paraguay. A lower German dialect Luebsch was official language of the Hanse trade association that controlled large parts of the baltic sea. However due German national state building (in the late 19. century) it was suppressed and left to "rural people". same happens in the third world today with many languages that are dropped due to urbanisation in favour of the former colonial language.

See Wikipedia! There is even a platt wikipedia.

it would be a competitive advantage if KDE could fullfill the European Language Charter. You should know that an administrative body is obliged to answer in a reguinal language.


By Hans Janssen at Fri, 2003/11/07 - 6:00am


By Onno at Fri, 2003/11/07 - 6:00am

Jo!


By Andre at Fri, 2003/11/07 - 6:00am

Low Saxon (Low German) was recognized as a legitimate language only recently. Prior to that, the dialects of Northern Germany were regarded as belonging to German, and the dialects of the Eastern Netherlands were regarded as belonging to Dutch. Because of centuries of official and educational neglect and suppression, the language has been unable to develop a standard dialect and a standard orthography, even though there is a notable written Low Saxon tradition. There are several spelling conventions, based on German principles in Germany and based on Dutch principles in the Netherlands, and few writers strictly adhered to any of them. So far, spelling systems have been devised and developed mostly by activists and writers with insufficient familiarity with phonological principles, and most Low Saxon writers have been trying to write their home dialect "phonetically." This disunity, together with attempts to germanize Low Saxon orthography, has led to a confusing situation that does anything but help this minority language survive.


By Language at Fri, 2003/11/07 - 6:00am

A better question is if there will be any differences to translate.

Most regional dialects have a plethora of terms for "rutting", but there are few local words for "burning DVD's" (though some of the rutting ones might usefully be employed)

The sorts of terse phrases used in computer software are likely to be depressingly similar


By Simon at Sat, 2003/11/08 - 6:00am

Perhaps this would be the funny issue: define new words in the reguional language and make it ready for information society.


By Henno Harms at Sat, 2003/11/08 - 6:00am

> I don't share the view that a translation to a minority language (not a
> DIALECT or a FUN language) was "useless". However it would be nonsense to
> start a project on my own (I can't do that alone) if there already was work
> in progress. So...

Hi Gerd,
indeed there's a project for KDE in Low Saxon (or Plattduetsch). It's located at http://nds.i18n.kde.org/ (though the page is a little outdated now), and participation would be quite appreciated. And if you happen to use the Opera browser, you might find this link interesting: Opera op Platt

If you need further information, send me a mail: s [underscore] dibbern [at] web [dot] de


By Soenke at Sun, 2005/01/09 - 6:00am

Klingon?? - sound like a KDE Apllication... :-)


By matze at Sat, 2003/11/08 - 6:00am

The area where linux is SEVERELY lacking is in a common crossplatform/crossdesktop multimedia framework.

The KDE and GNOME people need to agree on a standard for KDE4/Gnome2.6... Alot of discussion has been heading towards the GStreamer + MAS sound server.

I personally hope that a solution to this problem is found soon! Why make the users and developers suffer?


By Grapevine at Fri, 2003/11/07 - 6:00am

what's wrong with arts!?
}:D


By illogic-al at Fri, 2003/11/07 - 6:00am

ARTS IS EQUAL TO SHIT!
it never really works! always the same problems!

1. starting "xmms"
2. starting playing a song
3. getting error message about "busy device"

don't tell now, it is relating to xmms!

another reason:
playing multiple wave-files, or mp3+wave at the same time isn't possible, at least not by default. really, since YEARS, the first thing to switch of "aRts", after a new Linux or KDE installation!

Also, i hope, Linux could be used for PROFESSIONAL audio editing/engineering/recording etc. compared to "Cubase" and Co. !!!!!
that's all, well, waiting for a beautiful and strong KDE3.2!

By the way, what about the Idea, to collecting money for a simple but
professional TV Commercial about KDE/Linux ?!?!?! what stands against that idea !

bye!


By nx7000 at Fri, 2003/11/07 - 6:00am

Use the aRts module under XMMS. busy device means you are not using aRts but trying to access the device directly.


By anon at Fri, 2003/11/07 - 6:00am

Well, I think it was more of an example. I mean, we can't really switch all
of our apps to arts. XMMS is one that we can fix, by downloading the plugin and blah blah blah. It really is a pain, even with that wrapper. We need things simple. Sure it works, but its just a hack and an annoyance.


By Nonya at Sat, 2003/11/08 - 6:00am

So what? You'd have the same problems with GStreamer.

If the thing isn't built right into the kernel, you need either a OSS/ALSA wrapper for it, or a output plugin.


By So? at Wed, 2003/11/12 - 6:00am

Well personally I've never managed to get aRts to play sound without severe latency (sometimes up to 1 second!). If you tweak the slider in the KControl applet it just makes it stutter.

It could be a hardware/driver issue, I suppose (I have an SB Live), and maybe this has improved in KDE 3.2. Using the 2.6 kernel with ALSA may improve things as well.


By Paul Eggleton at Sat, 2003/11/08 - 6:00am

If you have a sblive then you have no need for arts anyways. The kernel emu10k1 drivers support hardware mixing. IIRC up to 64 apps can open and write to /dev/dsp at a time.


By MrGrim at Tue, 2003/11/11 - 6:00am

Yes, that's all very well except quite a lot of KDE apps insist on using aRts, so you have to use it anyway.


By Paul Eggleton at Wed, 2003/11/12 - 6:00am

I think the general opinion is that, while its suitable for desktop stuff, its can't handle the demands of serious multimedia apps, especially the latency requirements.


By Rayiner Hashem at Sat, 2003/11/08 - 6:00am

What discussion is headed to GStreamer + MAS?


By anon at Fri, 2003/11/07 - 6:00am

The one that finally realizes ARTS sucks monkey.


By J at Sat, 2003/11/08 - 6:00am

I think a network transparent multimedia system capable of connecting different computers, palmtops, TV etc. for everything multimedia related might be the right way to go in the long run. The German computer magazine c't had an article about the "Network-integrated Multimedia Middleware (NMM)" project which looks very good. http://www.networkmultimedia.org/


By Datschge at Sat, 2003/11/08 - 6:00am

America's Army for Linux 2.0 was released just yesturday and it really is quite a good FPS.


By Alex at Fri, 2003/11/07 - 6:00am

sweet dude. thanks for the heads up


By illogic-al at Sat, 2003/11/08 - 6:00am

Yeah bros, lets go pretend to kill people!!


By startledstupid at Sat, 2003/11/08 - 6:00am

I downloaded Opera 7.1 static on my ASPLinux 9. Opera started faster and loaded pages very fast. Can't we have Static Konqueror binary (or better full KDE as a static binary package) for speed?


By KDE User at Sun, 2003/11/09 - 6:00am

Dynamic linking is actually faster than static linking, and Opera 7.x is actually faster than Konqueror 3.1. I find 3.2 to be around the same speed as Opera 7.x however, which means fast.


By anon at Sun, 2003/11/09 - 6:00am

>> I find 3.2 to be around the same speed as Opera 7.x however, which means fast.

Good to know this, as I found Konqueror renders some pages Opera cannot (nor Mozilla).

BTW, Konqueror could use some serious usability enhancements (like not having the "create new tab" and "destroy tab" together... DOH!). BTW, Firebird little closing [x] on the tab is cool... and BMW, it's a car. :-)


By Gr8teful at Mon, 2003/11/10 - 6:00am

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