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28
2003

IBM, Adobe and Windows love Qt but Mozilla Bails

In breaking news, convicted French hacker Philippe Fremy has been accused of spreading malicious rumours regarding an alleged stab at Qt and companion PyQt by the highly regarded IBM developerWorks. But the concerted effort at dragging people's names through the mud does not end there. Emotions ran high when it was noted that the peeps at Slashdot couldn't leave IBM's rumoured courtship of Qtopia alone.

To make matters worse, the phones were buzzing non-stop regarding Adobe's not-so-cute love interest. Microsoft-lover Adam Treat was the first to dish out the dirt with highly dubious claims regarding an alleged Photoshop Album.

We were further sickened to learn of another Microsoft connection traced back to last December. There is now concrete proof that underground cult KDE on Cygwin is engaging a truly unholy pursuit in a rather foolish attempt at cloning.

With a tear in his eye, Hanno Müller reported that the reptilian Mozilla finally "couldn't take it no more" and gracefully stumbled away from the whole mess. This ugly dragon was rather touchingly reported to have shed crocodile tears over the incident.

Tabloid reporter yours truly has been working around the clock to bring you these shocking updates regarding the highly controversial lifestyle of the troll cutie.

Comments

April 1st isn't for another month by my calendar. Has someone been sipping too much whiskey, or is my humor meter just set too high?


By Rodion at Fri, 2003/02/28 - 6:00am

if adobe wished it.... but I don't belive they will do.


By Iuri Fiedoruk at Fri, 2003/02/28 - 6:00am

It's only natural for them to do it. Maybe they already did internally. This will be interesting if they decide to use Qt for their other products. Look at Acrobat Reader it works on both Linux and Windows, so that could help them and better integration with KDE.


By anon at Fri, 2003/02/28 - 6:00am

Yes, let's hope they like QT a lot and decide to port all their programs to it, then it will be mostly a matter of recompiling the code for linux :)


By Iuri Fiedoruk at Fri, 2003/02/28 - 6:00am

AFAICT, Acrobat Reader for Linux is written in Motif (or something similar). It's not a Qt app... Also, don't forget that although KDE is based on Qt, the fact that an app is written in Qt doesn't necessarily mean it will integrate with KDE well.


By OUSpirit at Fri, 2003/02/28 - 6:00am

"the fact that an app is written in Qt doesn't necessarily mean it will integrate with KDE well."

The first question you need to ask is what needs to be integrated? For most end-user applications, very little is needed. The only thing I can think of that I would like to see in terms of acroread and integration is drag-and-drop. But that's standardized now, so there's no need to make it a KDE application to get it.

The "look-and-feel" is a different beast entirely, so I won't discuss it here.


By David Johnson at Sat, 2003/03/01 - 6:00am

Look and feel can be integrated too. The KDE styles allow that and KControl is smart about qtrc.


By anon at Sat, 2003/03/01 - 6:00am

Sone more:
* The filedialog. It's a very common task to open/save files. But Qt / KDE filedialogs are very different (look&feel, shortcuts, bookmarks, preview...).
* Many common icons are differnt (open, save, copy, paste,...).
* Qt's printer-dialog is very simple compared to KDE's one.
* more dialogs...

Those are visible differences, every user sees. And with this differences Qt-applications do not seem to be "integrated" to your system.

ciao


By Guenter Schwann at Sat, 2003/03/01 - 6:00am

Adobe uses a lot of energy to do Windows and Mac versions of there Software. I think the primary goal is to reduce the effort. A secondary object is to have Linux/Unix-versions available, when Adobe thinks it's time to sell them.


By Manfred Tremmel at Sat, 2003/03/01 - 6:00am

Um... what is this story about? Can we re-summarize in a way that requires me to traverse maybe one link? And written in a comprehensible manner? As it is it looks like someone's very poor attempt at a joke.


By Peter Kasting at Fri, 2003/02/28 - 6:00am

It's Qt news. Qt is the toolkit used by KDE.


By anon at Fri, 2003/02/28 - 6:00am

The language is colorful indeed, but I'm very confused.
It looks like there might be something of interest in
there, but I'm not sure I want to invest the effort to
click through _19_ links to try to figure it out.


By confused at Fri, 2003/02/28 - 6:00am

I just broke it up into paragraphs for each story point.

Figure it out.

Please stop complaining doggonit. :-)


By Navindra Umanee at Fri, 2003/02/28 - 6:00am

I like it. This ain't Cnet.com.com.com. And that is a good thing.


By Roberto Alsina at Fri, 2003/02/28 - 6:00am

Stupidity?
Ok, folks calm down.
I think the problem here is that this news article
is also read by an international/non-english-speaking audience
which perhaps doesn't completely understand the subtle humour /
irony and is therefore somewhat confused.
Well, I liked it and I think it's important that we all don't
take this too seriously. We are not M$ after all so we can
be a bit more relaxed... ;-)
If this article isn't for you - just
ignore it.
Especially the part about the relationship and "divorce"
of the two dinosaurs was quite a good idea and made my LOL.
Keep up the good work.


By Damon at Fri, 2003/02/28 - 6:00am

I agree. Well put!


By anon at Fri, 2003/02/28 - 6:00am

And why is this response attached to my post?


By Roberto Alsina at Sat, 2003/03/01 - 6:00am

Oh - sorry for that. It shouldn't be. But I hope everyone can
make the connection...


By Damon at Sat, 2003/03/01 - 6:00am

Ok, maybe this should have been "from the QT spreading
like wildfire departmetn" ...the paragraphs do help...
sorry for the grumble :-)

Qt being used by Adobe is pretty big news...


By confused at Fri, 2003/02/28 - 6:00am

I'm not complaining. More stuff like this, you have a talent for it.


By reihal at Mon, 2003/03/03 - 6:00am

"Qt rocks. Lots of people are starting to give it more and more attention. But not Mozilla."

I think that's about it.

Expanded version (see links in story for more):
- IBM is rumored to be exploring/investing more in Qt.
- Adobe apparently based their Photo Album on it.
- Qt-Win32 is cooking along as part of the KDE on Windows project.
- Mozilla dropped the Qt native port because of a lack of maintenance (it hasn't kept up with the rest of Mozilla since 0.9.9 apparently)


By anon at Fri, 2003/02/28 - 6:00am

Thank you for translating this story from Stupidish to English.


By David Walser at Fri, 2003/02/28 - 6:00am

You dont have to be a brain surgeon to understand that story.


By anon at Fri, 2003/02/28 - 6:00am

Yeah, you only have to be from Mars.


By Stof at Sat, 2003/03/01 - 6:00am

Then John Gray should be your saviour!


By Navindra Umanee at Sat, 2003/03/01 - 6:00am

Stupidish ;) I like it a lot.

Tony


By Tony at Fri, 2003/02/28 - 6:00am

Bah! What you people need is a dot.kde.org for dummies. :P


By Navindra Umanee at Fri, 2003/02/28 - 6:00am

LOL
I got it all on first time, I love the style! :)) Excellent piece of writing which changes from the usual flat news we always read. I was laughing at each click.


By Anne-Marie Mahfouf at Sat, 2003/03/01 - 6:00am

Oh, thanks annma!

Ah yes, gotta love the UK tabloids... :-)


By Navindra Umanee at Sat, 2003/03/01 - 6:00am

Hmm.. It is only "funny" if you know what the stories are already, and you happen to be called Beavis or Butthead. Even now I'm still not sure if I have got everything:

- Article comparing MFC to QT
- Article on using QT with Python
- IBM using QT in embedded development platform
- Adobe using QT for one of their apps.
- Port of the GPL version of QT to Windows is making progress
- Support for building mozilla against QT is finally removed after being unmaintained (and broken) for some time.


By Corba the Geek at Sat, 2003/03/01 - 6:00am

Isn't that the whole point?
Two words: average users.

Average users are unwilling to learn, have difficulty finding the Start-button, and can barely use Internet Explorer. Surely you don't expect the people that KDE is targeting to understand language like that, do you?
Before you know it, you will be flooded by "the KDE community is full of elitists"-trolls again.


By Stof at Sat, 2003/03/01 - 6:00am

Oh whatever, whine whine whine. One article and it is the end of KDE as we know it?

Relax. I didn't lose any information, you've just got to click to find it. And the people who don't understand it, they don't care about Qt anyway right? GNOME posts messages like these all the time. Maybe mine was a little too subtle, but at least some people got it. :-)

It's called multi-level humour and I just used the tabloid style as a vehicle... obviously many people didn't even recognise the outrageous tabloid style... it's quite an institution in the US/UK/etc.

Enjoy.


By Navindra Umanee at Sat, 2003/03/01 - 6:00am

The Qt version of Mozilla was dropped because.. well, there wasn't enough developer interest to keep it maintained. There were calls for people to maintain it, but I guess nobody stepped up to the plate.

Oh well, at least two of the three "alternative" browsers use Qt.. Opera and Konq/Safari.


By fault at Fri, 2003/02/28 - 6:00am

People did step up according to the bug report but they were in a hurry to remove it.


By anon at Fri, 2003/02/28 - 6:00am

Try again. They asked for a maintainer; they got a few people willing to get it to build again. That's not close to the same thing.


By Peter Kasting at Sat, 2003/03/01 - 6:00am

You're wrong again.

http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=178987

Offers were made to be maintainer.


By anon at Sat, 2003/03/01 - 6:00am

Why was there such panic to get it removed? Why couldn't it be left in there to "brew" a bit and get patches applied by the new contributors so that it would reach a stage where it compiles? It definitely will never be brought up to the same state as the other ports again as it was nuked into orbit.


By chakie at Sat, 2003/03/01 - 6:00am

Eh, I thought Apple commented out all the Qt code in Safari?


By ey at Fri, 2003/03/07 - 6:00am

It hasn't to be fully functional but give us the proof that it starts faster, looks nicer, is easier to develop and that it runs on all platforms that are already supported.

Well, how would my Mozilla look like with AA-fonts, Skypilot Classic Theme in QT, kdeprint-management...

The code is open but perhaps it is too big to make facts on your own ;-)

Damn, opera is always under construction (crashes,java1.4) while I think that konqueror is really usable now in 3.1. (Just tell my why Java + Konqueror works correctly only in KDE and not in my icewm [seperate applet windows])

Loading klipper or any other qt-app after a fresh boot may take 20 seconds to load all libs and services but after that it's very fast and I have all other apps in 3 seconds.

Even my Moneyplex uses qt statically but I think it looks to much like windows without kde-support :-)

Keep up that great work ;-)


By Schugy at Fri, 2003/02/28 - 6:00am

actually, to whatever extent it wasn't buggy, the QT mozilla would look and behave exactly the same as the glib/xlib one. Mozilla uses it's own widget set (for reasons both good and bad) and the QT port didn't change that, it just used QT to make the implementation of that widget set portable. However, this forgoes most of the good reasons to like QT, so I'm not surprised nobody was interested.


By Kevin Puetz at Sat, 2003/03/01 - 6:00am

Hey !

is it ready for the mass ? does my grand-parent could install kmail on windows 2000 on their own ?


By Mathieu Jobin at Sat, 2003/03/01 - 6:00am

Which one? Your fathers or your mothers father?

TF


By Tooth Fary at Sat, 2003/03/01 - 6:00am

I'm sorry, I hoped you understand


By Mathieu Jobin at Sat, 2003/03/01 - 6:00am

The current status is that Qt 2.3 is being ported. It's partially functional and when it's done, Qt3 will be ported (hopefully this will be easy once Qt 2.3 is done). I believe after that, efforts to port KDE and KDE apps will begin.


By Dave Brondsema at Tue, 2003/03/04 - 6:00am

thanks for the information.

i tried to install it recently but kde fails to run.
system was not able to find qt-2-3.dll
and i didnt find any lib path.
well well.

it would be fun to move most of my friend to KMail on Windows and once is done, it will be easier to move them to Linux(KDE)
many of us hate their email client


By Mathieu Jobin at Tue, 2003/03/04 - 6:00am

Jus tried,
http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=www.kde.org

It worked when I first tried it with the new homepage, so it must have been some recent changes. Please make it standard again. I like to shove it in the face of my friends who say good looking web pages cannot be done with standards only.

Thanks,
S.P.


By Standards Police at Sat, 2003/03/01 - 6:00am

Looking at the validator output, the problem's only a minor gah-we've-used-the-wrong-ID issue, so it should get fixed sometime soon.

But if you still want something to shove in your friend's faces, there's always www.wired.com or www.redhat.com among others ...


By azza-bazoo at Sat, 2003/03/01 - 6:00am

Well, I've used this site as an example way too many times before, and it looks prettier now and no longer passes the validator test. See what I mean?
I can understand the web master making a mistake, or simply not caring about standards that much, but he owe us, - "we", the ones who shoved kde homepage down our friends throats, as an example of nice web pages development, promoting the kde web page and kde itself as we did that -, the right to keep on doing it!

Let's hope it does get fixed soon.
S.P.


By Standards Police at Sat, 2003/03/01 - 6:00am

Please mail the problems to webmaster@kde.org


By Navindra Umanee at Sat, 2003/03/01 - 6:00am

fixed ;)
Please keep in mind the page is maintained by volunteers, there can sometimes be some bug in the code, but that will be fixed in a very short timespan normally :)
Simply tell your friends: here, the page looks good, validates well the most time and if not, it gets fixed ;)


By Christoph Cullmann at Mon, 2003/03/03 - 6:00am

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