MAY
13
2008

Fedora 9 Released with KDE 4.0.3

The Fedora Project has announced the release of Fedora 9, codenamed "Sulphur". As your periodic table will tell you, Sulphur is the element below Oxygen, a fitting release name for the third major distribution to ship KDE 4.0 (congrats to Mandriva and Kubuntu for getting there first) and the first to make it the only version of the desktop. Fedora 9 includes KDE 4.0.3. Unfortunately, KDE 4.0.4 was released too late to make it in, but there is no need to despair, it is already available in updates-testing and is expected to become a stable, tested update in a few days. To support your existing KDE 3 applications such as Kontact, Amarok and K3b, Fedora 9 includes compatibility libraries from KDE 3.5.9. As always, the KDE Live CD is installable. New in Fedora 9, the live image can also be converted to a persistent USB key. The release notes have a section dedicated to KDE 4.

In addition to the inclusion of KDE 4 as the default KDE, Fedora 9 also comes with other major new features, such as the switch to Upstart to handle system startup, an improved NetworkManager including support for mobile broadband and systemwide configuration, a new, fast version of X.Org X11, TexLive replacing tetex, unified spellchecking dictionaries and much more.

If that was not enough to convince you, you can have a look at some screenshots showing KDE 4 on Fedora 9. (The first few screenshots are of the installer, so scroll down to see the KDE ones.)

Comments

For 64-bit users, there's another good news: the KDE Live image for x86_64 no longer needs a DVD, a standard 700 MB CD is now sufficient.


By Kevin Kofler at Tue, 2008/05/13 - 5:00am

Are you sure? According to http://fedoraproject.org/en/get-fedora , it still requires a DVD.


By Brendan at Tue, 2008/05/13 - 5:00am

The information there is out of date, check the file sizes. :-)


By Kevin Kofler at Tue, 2008/05/13 - 5:00am

This has been fixed now, thanks to our webmasters. :-)


By Kevin Kofler at Wed, 2008/05/14 - 5:00am

It's cool to see they will provide updates to 4.1 when it becomes available - like Suse plans to do. I decided to put Suse on a laptop when I get a new one (if it proves to be fast enough, that is), but Fedora only lost due to it's gnominess (most tools are gnome apps, and I personally don't like mixing very much when on low-end hardware, too slow).


By jos poortvliet at Tue, 2008/05/13 - 5:00am

hi jos

" Fedora 9 will include KDE 4.1 when it is released in July of this year" that's really a very good news, but for opensuse it is still not decided http://en.opensuse.org/KDE/KDE_on_openSUSE11.0 , of course we can always install kde4.1 when it will be out, but an automatic update is even better

friendly

konqueror 4.0.73 ; ms windows xp, net access with proxy ;)


By mimoune djouallah at Tue, 2008/05/13 - 5:00am

ops, for the proxy part, not sure if it is fixed or not because it seems we have a direct access for the internet now.


By mimoune djouallah at Tue, 2008/05/13 - 5:00am

Well, the .kde4 settings in 4.0.3 didn't work with the 4.1 svn. For my system they screwed everything up and had to be deleted. After that, everything just worked fine. But that makes me wonder if it would make any sense at all to provide an automatic update to 4.1 once it's out and delete all the settings. Some users might prefer to keep their old ones.


By Jens Uhlenbrock at Tue, 2008/05/13 - 5:00am

If 4.1 chokes on 4.0 settings, surely that's a bug which has to be fixed?

Folks, if you run into problems, it would be helpful if you didn't delete .kde (or .kde4 if your distro uses that) outright, but tried removing individual files out of the way so we can figure out what _exact_ files are the problem, that way we (developers and/or packagers) should be able to fix it (either by fixing the code or by writing a kconf_update migration script). Automatically deleting all the settings is obviously not an option.


By Kevin Kofler at Tue, 2008/05/13 - 5:00am

Is there a RSS feed for the dot?
I've looked for it several times and haven't found any.
Love the dot, Pascal.


By Pascal at Tue, 2008/05/13 - 5:00am

Yes, there is: http://www.kde.org/dotkdeorg.rdf enjoy :)


By thomas at Tue, 2008/05/13 - 5:00am

Super nice!
\me thinks it should be visually available on the dot as well as main kde site


By Pascal at Tue, 2008/05/13 - 5:00am

I'm using Fedora 8 and there is nm-applet (GNOMEs network manager systray app) integrated (in the KDE spin). However, there has been announced that there would be an update for KNetworkManager in Fedora 8, but that somehow never happened. Is there a new version of KNetworkManager integrated? It seems to me that development has stalled for this app... Any news?


By thomas at Tue, 2008/05/13 - 5:00am

Sadly, last we tried, knetworkmanager still wasn't ready for nm-0.7 (work is still undergoing). Understandable, since nm-0.7 isn't (officially) released either. Rest assured, when able and working, knetworkmanager (or some other kde nm interface) will make a re-appearance in fedora.


By Rex Dieter at Tue, 2008/05/13 - 5:00am

Thanks for the information!


By thomas at Tue, 2008/05/13 - 5:00am

Helmut Schaa and myself are working on a new version of KNetworkManager for NetworkManager 0.7, for KDE 3.

In addition, I just merged the changes to Solid that add support for NM 0.7 in KDE 4 to kdebase trunk, and Chris Blauvelt is working on a plasmoid (in kdereview)


By Will Stephenson at Tue, 2008/05/13 - 5:00am

Mmm, mmm sweet. Thanks Will.


By Rex Dieter at Tue, 2008/05/13 - 5:00am

On the trail of distributions with KDE 4: I'm running openSUSE 11.0 Beta 3 with KDE 4.0.4 since a week or two. It works just without a flaw, and looks just great. Stephan Binner has posted a screenshot of the default KDE 4 desktop on his blog on kdedevelopers.org some weeks ago.


By Stefan Majewsky at Tue, 2008/05/13 - 5:00am

Where did you get Beta 3 from?


By Bobby at Wed, 2008/05/14 - 5:00am

Must be a time traveller.


By binner at Wed, 2008/05/14 - 5:00am

beta 3 is meant to be released tomorrow.

does anyone know if you have to download it to be running it, or is using the factory repositories automatically update you to what beta 3 would be?


By anon at Thu, 2008/05/15 - 5:00am

Sorry for replying this late, but: `sudo zypper dup` (= dist-upgrade) from openSUSE 11.0 Beta 2

It then was a Beta 3 according to /etc/SuSE-release


By Stefan Majewsky at Thu, 2008/05/15 - 5:00am

Dear all,

I've just install Fedora 9 because I was courios to enjoy KDE, but all gnome applications and in particular I mean Firefox and the network manager applet look so ugly compared to what they look with gnome.

I managed to partially fix it using gtk-qt-engine, but just once. With the next reboot I can't even log in in KDE.

Please help me!

cheers,
hilbert


By hilbert at Wed, 2008/05/14 - 5:00am

That's a bug which will be fixed in the next update of KDE (the KDE 4.0.4 update which is coming soon).

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=443309
http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=146779

The fix will also be in upstream 4.0.5 and 4.0.74.


By Kevin Kofler at Wed, 2008/05/14 - 5:00am

thanks a lot!


By hilbert at Wed, 2008/05/14 - 5:00am

Congratulations for the great work!

Just recommended a friend who is new to linux to go to http://fedoraproject.org/get-fedora to download and give it a try.

He screamed at me when he noticed that his desktop is different from mine. That poor chap download the "Fedora Desktop Live Media" because he didn't think that "Fedora KDE Live Media" is for the desktop.

This is a good joke !! or maybe not if you want new users to try KDE

:(


By Mich at Wed, 2008/05/14 - 5:00am

Agreed. It's a bit confusing that the GNOME version is called "Desktop", as if it was the only DE available. Despite the magnificent work of the KDE SIG, I see that Fedora is still biased towards Gnome/Gtk users. Hopefully this will continue to change to a more equal footing for all major DEs (yes, even Xfce).


By Humph at Wed, 2008/05/14 - 5:00am

If they wrote GNOME on it, nobody would download it. ;-)


By Kevin Kofler at Wed, 2008/05/14 - 5:00am

Haha that's naughty but true (for me at least) :D


By Humph at Thu, 2008/05/15 - 5:00am

that does suck.

what confussed me when I came from windows to linux was the whole x64 x86. I had no idea what any of that meant back then. And it took me ages to work it out :( might sound silly, but as a windows user, plug it in turn it on and that is all that I cared about. Oh wait that is linux, windows is plug it in, turn it on, run a antivirus, run a spyware scan, update anti virus, update spyware, argh shit blue screen of death. ahhhhhhhh, linux........


By anon at Thu, 2008/05/15 - 5:00am

Since KDE3 is not in Fedora 9 and I feel like it is impossible to leave KDE 3.5.9 from Fedora 8 intact, I'm not gonna upgrade to Fedora 9 in the nearest future.

Alas, KDE 4.0.x is not a replacement for KDE 3.5.9.


By Artem S. Tashkinov at Wed, 2008/05/14 - 5:00am

Fedora 8 is going to get updates for about another 6 or 7 months (until 1 month after the Fedora 10 release), so nobody is forcing you to upgrade to Fedora 9 right now.

Maybe you will reconsider when KDE 4.1 will be available? :-)


By Kevin Kofler at Wed, 2008/05/14 - 5:00am

> Maybe you will reconsider when KDE 4.1 will be available? :-)

Definitely. :-)


By Artem S. Tashkinov at Thu, 2008/05/15 - 5:00am

+1

the sad thing is that I am supposed to be on the bleeding edge, as I participate in the development ... maybe a time to kick up some virtual machine


By kavol at Thu, 2008/05/15 - 5:00am

This is most ugliest and buggy release of KDE ever seen for last 10 years. Kopete is crashing constantly and can't connect to google, program starter is worse even comparing to Vista, panel is ugly and not configurable, and most annoying thing is icon behavior on desktop. They live their own life populating all desktop over with strange shadows and unneded controls.

The best thing -just the brest! My laptop can not go to hybernation with kde4. It eats memory like crazy colorado bug.

But why gnome just works?

I was just forced to switch to Gnome which I really do not like, but I must work so I have no choice.

I do not understand KDE team. How you guys can call "release" this not even alpha-grade work? Such kind or "artwork" has only one consequence. You lose your users.


By Alex Lukin at Fri, 2008/05/16 - 5:00am

Definetely true! Placement of the Icons on the desktop seems to be random, there is no "Align to Grid". Right-Click on the desktop is useless, no "Create new Folder" or whatever. No Quickstart-Panel in the taskbar, useless like it is. I am very disappointed, having installed Fedora 9 and there is only KDE4 :-(

Like this, KDE4 is just unusable and ugly, sorry guys.


By Fritz Pinguin at Fri, 2008/05/16 - 5:00am

KDE team should make something about that icon thing on desktop. Now I need to open dolphin to manage files on desktop because I cant copy/paste etc from it. I would like that transparent background would be same size on all icons and not different. Placement could be set easily and those would stay there. Altought those icon managements should be more like filemanagement on konqueror or dolphin. ANd not as plasmoids.


By Fri13 at Sun, 2008/05/18 - 5:00am

The desktop was never intended to be a place to put files on, only shortcuts (being able to store files on it was only a side-effect of how it was implemented), and even for those shortcuts, several of the Plasma developers appear to believe that this is an obsolete practice. Files belong in ~/Documents according to the xdg-user-dirs spec, not ~/Desktop.


By Kevin Kofler at Mon, 2008/05/19 - 5:00am

That's of course fine & dandy, except now we have something which owns 90% of desktop real estate sitting as empty as the plains. If not shortcuts (to applications or otherwise) then what will it be used for?
I assume there is a master plan but I can't find any document/blog to hand.

Also from a usability standpoint, why does the 'cashew' on the panel need to permanently be shown/take-up-space when that feature will only be used for a few minutes maybe once on account setup or infrequently at best? Surely it would be just as discoverable through a 'Design your Desktop' button/cashew prominently displayed in the main-menu. That could then turn the whole DE into 'design-mode' where any and all aspects of the desktop could be moved, guided, justified, poked and prodded to ones hearts content. This separates all that qdesigner type bells and whistles out of the way and ready for messing about with during lunchbreaks. That way no cashews or extraneous context-menus are needed, this satisfies both the touchscreeners and interface minimalists.


By KISS at Mon, 2008/05/19 - 5:00am

Having worked in computing/technology 30+ years, I find the lack of "user" use-case input to this featureless aspect of KDE4 to be very impressive, but not positively so.
If designers wish their products to be used, they would be well advised to pay very strict attention to what the user wants. The Ivory Tower committees rarely get it "right".


By BobC at Wed, 2008/10/01 - 5:00am

yep, i do agr33.no quick start, no desktop simplicity.I think plasma adoption on desktop ruined evrythin.kD3 team should consider these things n better NOT to put these damn things again. kde is fine upto < f8 .NO w(m)idget plz next time


By buggy at Wed, 2008/05/28 - 5:00am

FYI, KDE 4.0.4 is now in the Fedora 9 (stable) updates.


By Kevin Kofler at Fri, 2008/05/23 - 5:00am