OCT
4
2000

Miscellaneous KDE eyecandy

Over the course of development of a project like KDE, a lot of art gets created. Following, purely for your viewing pleasure, are some examples of art that have not yet made it to KDE CVS, for one reason or another. First off, Martin Kerz offered several suggestions for the KDE2 splash screen: startup1, alternative, krassnagel, colouredk. Sreshth Kumar offered yet another. For the default WM style, Mosfet proposed an interesting hybrid a while back but apparently got outvoted (new proposals are in the works). There is obviously a lot more of such art floating around -- if you have more links, feel free to post them in the comments.

Comments

Hey I like that Mosfet theme, much better than the default KDE2 one.


By David Walser at Wed, 2000/10/04 - 5:00am

Yeah, I like it too, although it's too bad that the X went back to the right. But what can you do, at least we got the funky icon back. I hope this style is eventually committed! (I like it better than ModSystem)

The current default has already grown on me though, but it still truncates the lowers in the title text.

-N.


By Navindra Umanee at Wed, 2000/10/04 - 5:00am

Hey, what about setting the size of the font to 11 instead of 12? Look at KDE Control Center/Look&Feel/Fonts....

Michael


By Michael Brade at Wed, 2000/10/04 - 5:00am

It's a pretty theme, but I think the default KDE theme is a better "default" theme. This is primarily because it's simple, bare-bones, and looks a good bit like the old kwm style, but a bit touched up. Has that "classic" appeal, and is just simple. It won't be at all confusing to newbies, and people who actually want it to look prettier (like me) can take the 10 seconds to change it.

--Aaron


By Aaron Traas at Wed, 2000/10/04 - 5:00am

Wow! That looks exactly like the GNOME login sequences.

Even the touch of using a sea shore.

Nice touch.


By Anonymous Coward at Wed, 2000/10/04 - 5:00am

no it doesn't. if it looked like the gnome login process, then it would be like a mac. since that's what they made the gnome one look like.


By lamer at Mon, 2002/04/01 - 6:00am

My vote is for Sreshth Kumar's yet 'another' splash screen. It looks the most professional.


By Geter at Wed, 2000/10/04 - 5:00am

Oh, no! Yet another windoz-like suks! ;-) I think that a first screen is best! It is really cool, yeah!


By Dmitry at Wed, 2000/10/04 - 5:00am

Note that these aren't really up for vote, and that there's already a pretty good splash screen in KDE2. I thought the above were worth a mention anyway.

Who knows though, the current splash might always change before the final release (the artists always tend to surprise us :).

-N.


By Navindra Umanee at Wed, 2000/10/04 - 5:00am

How do I create my own splash screen ??

Where can I get other splash screens once kde2.0 final is out ?

Thanks

Chris, aka bunty on IRC


By Christien Bunting at Wed, 2000/10/04 - 5:00am

Good question. No doubt some distributors will come out with their own splash screens, come to think of it. We could use some themability out of the box here. ;)

Anyway, look at the source in kdebase/ksplash/. It doesn't seem too hard. For starters it may be as easy as replacing the images with your own versions.

-N.


By Navindra Umanee at Wed, 2000/10/04 - 5:00am

It is - replacing the picture works, sort of. I've ran for a while with a sketch I made myself. The only issue is the strip of buttons underneath.

Not that I see the splash all that often - there are not many memory leaks anymore, and I often leave KDE 2 just running.


By Boudewijn Rempt at Wed, 2000/10/04 - 5:00am

I think that the current KDE2 splash screen is
professionally designed, and that is one of the best designed things in KDE2. Anyway, this is a matter of taste, and KDE2 gives possibility to change splash screen if one does not like it.
Helix-Gnome has a nice splash screen, and that
kind of design represents Mexican fiesta, happiness & visual creativity.
KDE2 splash screen simbolize German precision and
technical superiority (which KDE2 compared to Gnome really is).
I would like to see more consistency in KDE2 icon design. KDE2 has some extremly beautiful icons, and some extremly ugly ones (one example for ugly one is default "home" icon). KDE has allways had
that kind of design which I call "streamlined, clean & non-disturbing design", and it should stay with it. KDE2 should not copy Gnome design
and surely not add flowers, birds, clouds & seasides to its visuality.


By Zeljko Vukman at Wed, 2000/10/04 - 5:00am

Well said. I think now that the standard is set and KDE2.0 is ready for primetime we'll see a section of the community devoted to the graphical design of it. The Graphical part wasn't priority as we can see. Get the Functionality then all the Nice stuff. Unlike the gnome regime which devoted most of it's efforts into "look and feal" in the earlier development period.

Go KDE!!!


By Christien Bunting at Wed, 2000/10/04 - 5:00am

i would like to change the splah of KDE 3.1. but idont kwon how. tks


By juanS at Thu, 2004/05/13 - 5:00am

Upgrading to KDE 3.2 changes it.


By Anonymous at Thu, 2004/05/13 - 5:00am

honestly, comparing to GNOME splash screen...
you folks need to learn more photography technique.


By acc at Wed, 2000/10/04 - 5:00am

As mentioned above, these splashscreens are proposal/sketches from users, not members of the kde-core-team. And i doubt very much that they will sneak into cvs... just consider copyright issues...


By Lenny at Wed, 2000/10/04 - 5:00am

IMHO, KDE borders and Icons *do* need to be upgraded. GNOME gets its distinctive look from it's icons and the window dressings. The actual GTK widgets look, IMO, terrible.

If you start a GNOME app in KDE, you can see this.
However, start a KDE app in GNOME, and you see the crispness of the QT widgets.

What KDE needs, is some work in the artwork department - nice rendered hi-color icons and decent window dressings. This is all that gives GNOME it's unnique look - and all that makes people insist on refering to KDE as a Windows clone.


By Ezz at Wed, 2000/10/04 - 5:00am

Cool, i'm eagerly awaiting your contributions.


By Lenny at Wed, 2000/10/04 - 5:00am

Not a half bad post. However, I'm going to say what you've probably heard already "If you want it, do it yourself". I contributed two icons to KDE2 (the cookie icons). I found it to be much much harder than I expected it to be. As a newbie, it took 6 weeks to do those two icons. Torsten can push them out in a day or three, but he still has most of the KDE icons to do, so he doesn't have time to worry about going in and doing each icon again. As someone who has done icons, I feel that I am qualified to say..."If you want it, do it yourself".


By Kevin Breit at Wed, 2000/10/04 - 5:00am

Hey Can U tell me how to go about making icons or splash screens I mean what format is required I am eager to do it. I have had some experience with Q3 textures..


By Pramod at Thu, 2000/10/05 - 5:00am

Look at artist.kde.org (icon-factory).


By Lenny at Thu, 2000/10/05 - 5:00am

I'm no graphic artist, unfourtanately, or I would have created my own icons etc ages ago.
But, surely, there are/is a single person/group of people responsible for the "look" side of the the KDE interface, and it's for them to take on board comments such as the one I made above.
Even if I were a graphic artist and I did create my own set of Icons, what would the chances be of them being accepted as the "official" set of KDE icons?
The most I could do, if I had the ability, was to create my own theme containing my icons a route many people have taken already. But said icons still are not the defaults distributed with KDE as they are with GNOME.
All I can do is contribute an observation and a recommendation which I have done.

As an (not entirley un-related) aside, I notice that the kde artist site hasn't been updated for a long time.
What is the process, beyond rising issues in this forum, for giving input to the direction of KDE generally and the Artist stuff particularly?


By Ezz at Thu, 2000/10/05 - 5:00am

As an (not entirley un-related) aside, I notice that the kde artist site hasn't been updated for a long time.

What do you consider most important: marketing or doing the work ?

What is the process, beyond rising issues in this forum, for giving input to the direction of KDE generally and the Artist stuff particularly?

Please keep in mind that kde doesnt lack of people _talking_ about what should be done. The optimal process is: mail your icons/graphics to icons@kde.org or torsten@kde.org. If its good it will be in cvs within a jiffy.


By Lenny at Thu, 2000/10/05 - 5:00am

Hmm.
I was alluding to the KDE artist site as a central focus for those interested in advancing the look of KDE. Seems difficult to contribute to an invisable effort.

Thanks for telling what to do with any artwork. The point being, it wasn't obvious.

Any graphic artists take note: You've been told.
:)


By Ezz at Thu, 2000/10/05 - 5:00am

Yes, you are right. I hope we have time after 2.0 to drag things more into the public.


By Lenny at Thu, 2000/10/05 - 5:00am

> IMHO, KDE borders and Icons *do* need to be upgraded.

We are upgrading them all the time. Until recently all icons were -- for technical reasons based on almost the same palette Windows is using. For the recent three months we have been moving to more pastel-colored icons though. This process will take some time as we have quite a lot of icons.

A major difference between KDE and Gnome is that KDE is using many more pixmaps than Gnome does.
If you look into kdelibs only, you'll discover that there are about 700 icons in there which we have to take care of -- the whole KDE has probably something around 1200 icons!

Furthermore if you want to compare KDE with Gnome you should be aware of the fact that Gnome uses 48x48 icons by default while KDE uses 32x32 by default. If you switch KDE to 48x48-icons you get of course much "better" results:

ftp://derkarl.org/pub/incoming/kde2shot21092000b.png

(where better means in my opinion also compared to gnome-icons).

Gnome-icons are not being rendered. They are being *painted* by Tigert. Tigert's icons are quite flashy and cool and are of course quite nice artwork. But in terms of usability they don't make good icons for several reasons (They are dark, not too crisp, don't scale very well, don't use isometric perspective and use metaphors which are not very common and easy to understand, to name just a few).

If you think you can do some better work on the icons though feel free to commit. Send your icons to icons@kde.org and I'll happily include your work into CVS if they are not too bad.

Greetings,

Tackat


By Torsten Rahn at Fri, 2000/10/06 - 5:00am

Thanks for taking the time to respond.

Didn't realise there were so many icons in KDE.
I did realise that GNOME icons are bigger than those in KDE and that they seem to be in PNG format rather than XPM.

Not sure what you mean by "painted" as opposed to "rendered" but I have noticed that the GNOME icons seem to have been drawn (painted? :) first, had some form of ray tracing done to them and then shrunk to 48x48 (the same size as WindowMaker/OpenStep etc?).

This seems quite a good approach, so long as the edges of the icons are crisp and the meaning of them is clear - they don't have to be dark.

As for the metaphors and understandability of the GNOME icons - well that's subjective. The point is, people (subjectively)love the way GNOME looks due entirely to it's icons and window decorations. Similarly, the same people tend to think that KDE looks like windows (a view which I don't take myself).

What I was thinking, is, if KDE's icons could be made more eye-candyish (but not at the expense of functionality) then this would go some way towards redressing the balance.
I suppose this is about art vs function, but it need not be.

As for me doing it myself, as I pointed out earlier, I would - except that I have no artistic talent! I can give a very subjective opinion, but alas, lack the skill to do anything about it. If circumstances were different, I'd be (re)producing icons right now instead of writing this post!

Finally, I *do* respect the efforts of the KDE team and am *not* sniping, carping or criticising.
:)
Regards
E


By Ezz at Fri, 2000/10/06 - 5:00am

Well, Ezz, why don't you just use Gnome icons in KDE then?

It seems that KDE should have the larger icons as default, since there is so much misunderstanding about it.


By reihal at Tue, 2000/10/10 - 5:00am

Well, because they're GNOME icons.
I want to see similar KDE icons.
If KDE looks better than GNOME (which it is beginning to), then the critics are confounded.

Over and definitely out!
:)


By Ezz at Wed, 2000/10/11 - 5:00am

I would like to say a little bit more about Kde
icons. I am affraid, I've been misunderstood.
Kde mimetypes icons are good example of artistic and techical proficiency. They are consistent, because they follow the same template. At the same time, by breaking the rectangular frame of the template icon, they are interesting and live.
Application icons has to be upgraded, and my suggestion is that kde artist follow the good example of mimetypes icons. They are, I am sure, aware of this. For example, kab (adress book) icon looks more like gnome icon, it is too dark, and if you put it on a dark background picture, you want see anything. It is simply not a part of kde visual identity. Another example is kstyle icon - it is a part of kde visual identity, but its size is problematic. When you change icons to 48x48, kstyle icon has only the half of this size.
This is disturbing, and does not look nice.
The third example is cookie icon. The meaning of
word "cookie" is not "birthday cake". And with a candle light? Some poor newbies will think that cookies are something good, and that cookies should be enabled by default, even if they visit some very problematic internet sites.
But the most of kde2 application icons are beautiful, and kde artists deserve all respect.
And we are going to give our contribution, aren't we?
Regards,


By Zeljko Vukman at Sat, 2000/10/07 - 5:00am

Look at MacOSX. They use icons up to 128x128 and scale them down. Or do they have icons in each size from 32x32 to 128x128? Isn't someting like that possible for KDE? I know if you need icons for each size it's an impossible work.


By Martin Kerz at Tue, 2000/10/10 - 5:00am

> Look at MacOSX.

Did that.

> They use icons up to 128x128 and scale them down.

Doesn't work for small sizes properly

> Or do they have icons in each size from 32x32 to 128x128?

Yes, they do have icons for 128x128, 64x64, 48x48, 32x32 and 16x16 IIRC. Everything above 48x48 is a waste of time imo.

> Isn't someting like that possible for KDE?

You can do this already with KDE2. But don't expect me to paint all those huge icons for 0.01% of the users. I got better things to do. :-)

> I know if you need icons for each size it's an impossible work.

indeed

Tackat


By Torsten Rahn at Tue, 2000/10/10 - 5:00am

For a look at the new style mosfet and the rest are discussing, point your browsers here


By Chris Aakre at Thu, 2000/10/05 - 5:00am

The tack is back! A tack is not tacky.


By reihal at Tue, 2000/10/10 - 5:00am

Some extraKDE icons can be found at:
http://home.uwnet.nl/~vita/linux/index.html
Also there: black & white icons which might make it to KDE later on...


By Ante at Fri, 2000/10/06 - 5:00am

All the screens look the same...
They say something about a 404 :)

Keep up the good work guys...


By Sensi Millia at Mon, 2000/10/09 - 5:00am

If you can live with low resolution go here:

http://www.martin-kerz.de/kdesplashscreens.htm


By Niels Soenderby at Mon, 2000/10/09 - 5:00am

If you have cached copies, let me know and I'll link to them or put them somewhere else.

-N.


By Navindra Umanee at Mon, 2000/10/09 - 5:00am

Unfortuneátely I killed the splashscreens... oops.
Has anybdy saved them on hardisk? I know this is'nt pofessional, but it happens... :(


By Martin Kerz at Mon, 2000/10/09 - 5:00am

The links should work now! I'm really sorry ;)


By Martin Kerz at Tue, 2000/10/10 - 5:00am

How about have a default startup splash screen, but someone in the screen options, allow people to choose another one or use one of their graphics?


By Justin Goldberg at Wed, 2000/10/11 - 5:00am