NOV
1
2000

KDE2 is News (and Other Quickies)

In KDE2 related news, ZDNet have reviewed KDE2 and love it. Very much. LinuxToday.com.au like it too, as seen in this article titled after a well-known Australian TV advert. LWN have provided coverage on the KDE2 release here. Trolltech congratulate KDE on the new release here. SuSE Linux have announced their KDE2 update. Speaking of updates, new KDE2 packages for Tru64 with fixes by Tom Leitner can be found here.

In the food-for-thought dept, Kevin Reichard submitted this KOffice article by dep, and this article on Enlightenment, which supports both KDE and GNOME, while providing a fascinating desktop experience.

And, finally, in Qt-related news, a new beta of Opera for Linux is available. Even more exciting, Trolltech have made the announcement that Qt/Embedded will be available under the GPL. Read the official announcement and an interesting interview by All Linux Devices here. Watch this space closely for more coverage on this important new development and its potential impact on KDE.

Comments

Please, continue the attack.

Send out e-mails, pdf-files, written letters, etc to all IT (Information Technology) related magazines, AND major international magazines.

Linux together with KDE2 deserves ALL the backup it can get.

Money? I hope there is some funding for postal charges, somewhere...

Please, do not lose momentuum!


By Torben Skolde at Wed, 2000/11/01 - 6:00am

It was interesting to read the criticisms of KOffice. I have noticed similar problems with other KDE apps.

I've not reported them, the reason being that KDE's bug system sucks so bad. If KDE used Bugzilla these things would get reported.


By No-one at Wed, 2000/11/01 - 6:00am

If KDE used Bugzilla these things would get reported.

And everything would be fine within a jiffy...


By Lenny at Wed, 2000/11/01 - 6:00am

http://bugs.kde.org/frontend/index.php

is IMHO a LOT easier to use than bugzilla. I once tried to search the bugs in mozialla, and believe me, I failed. Check http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/query.cgi if you don't believe me how horrible it is.


By ac at Wed, 2000/11/01 - 6:00am

Oh nonsense. KDE's bug tracking system is simple enough to describe on a single page. Bugzilla is an ugly monster, and even uglier to set up (believe me, I've tried).

Really, I've had no difficulty submitting bugs and even getting great feedback from the KDE developers.


By anon at Wed, 2000/11/01 - 6:00am

I wonder what KD/Embedded will look like? Will it run on the IBM watch or just the Compaq iPAQ ?


By Paul Leopardi at Wed, 2000/11/01 - 6:00am

If somebody writes a framebuffer-driver, there will be Qt/Embedded.


By Lenny at Wed, 2000/11/01 - 6:00am

I suppose you meant "KDE/Embedded." There already is a Qt/Embedded, which is what the story on AllLinuxDevices was about.

As for KDE/Embedded... it's already happening to the extent it makes any sense: developers are porting some KDE apps over to the platforms supporting Qt/Embedded, such as the iPAQ and Cassiopeia. The thing to keep in mind is that porting the entire environment over is pointless for a PIM. You just want consistency of interface.


By Michael Hall at Wed, 2000/11/01 - 6:00am

There might be a point in porting the whole of KDE over to Qt/Embedded, since that would allow users to run KDE without also having to run X. Granted, such users wouldn't be able to run legacy X apps, but then again who would want to?

My understanding is that Qt/Embedded supports some features (such as anti-aliased fonts) that would be nice to have and aren't supported by X, so I can see some reasons for going down this path. Of course, it really depends on how much work it would be; if it's a lot then it probably wouldn't be worthwhile.


By Kyle Haight at Wed, 2000/11/01 - 6:00am

"My understanding is that Qt/Embedded supports some features (such as anti-aliased fonts) that would be nice to have and aren't supported by X, so I can see some reasons for going down this path."

That's a good point. My comment was mainly aimed at the notion of porting the entire environment and its related baggage over to handheld platforms.


By Michael Hall at Wed, 2000/11/01 - 6:00am

I would love to see a KDE CEish thing for the iPaq. Also, I can see most of KDE being usefull on a handheld (I would just love to be able to do some DTP in KWord from a handheld), and I drool at the thought of SpaceDuel and KPat available to them me 24/7 (Eat this Zap!2000 [The game, not the cleaing solution] :-) ). Of course, korganizer, kmail, and a lot of konqueror would be usefull as well, also perhaps kmidi (detached from arts) to play midi files for music, which are convient because of their small size.

Finally, although XF86 has internal fonts, couldn't a text message widget be reimplemented using QT, supporting it's own font system, and bypass XF altogether? XF also has a couple of advantages, namely it's great networking abilities, and 3d acceleration.


By David Simon at Wed, 2000/11/01 - 6:00am

I think a KPE (K Pocket Environment) would be nice. I think a lot of code from KDE can be used, but some programes must be rewritten for a PocketPC (e.g. an other desktop and panel which take account of the smaller display).


By Bernd at Thu, 2000/11/02 - 6:00am

Not only could you run KPE on a PocketPC, but also perhaps on the Palm port of Linux. It would require a whole load of RAM, possibly would only run on a Palm Vx or the like, but it would work. The big reason I like Palms better then PocketPCs is simply that the batteries last way, way longer. This may change, however, with the popularity of NiMH rechargables.


By David Simon at Fri, 2000/11/10 - 6:00am

..Enlightenment, which supports both KDE and GNOME.

Has anyone had decent results using a different window manager with KDE 2? I've had ugliness with WindowMaker, severe ugliness with Enlightenment (E also uses a fake root window which causes major conflict with kdesktop) and nothing really usable with icewm.

Any good experiences to report?


By Otter at Wed, 2000/11/01 - 6:00am

I'm using kdesktop, the GNOME panel and E 0.16.5 and everything works fine...

Greetinx,

Gunter Ohrner


By Gunter Ohrner at Wed, 2000/11/01 - 6:00am

Anyone know where I can find RPM's of the latest qt that KDE2 requires? I found RPM's for a lot of the other KDE stuff on kde.org, but no RPM for qt. I'm running Redhat 7, incidentally.


By blue penguin at Wed, 2000/11/01 - 6:00am

rpmfind.net


By ben at Wed, 2000/11/01 - 6:00am

For a slightly more elaborate answer, see my posting Be careful: KDE 2.0 answers about RPMs and libs depend on distribution on the kde-user archive.

I actually couldn't find Red Hat 7 RPMs for QT 2.2.1, so I listed an RPM for RawHide 1.0.


By Paul Leopardi at Thu, 2000/11/02 - 6:00am

So basically what this means is, that at this time, I cannot install KDE 2 Final using RPMs on RedHat 7? I have to compile it myself?


By Blue Penguin at Fri, 2000/11/03 - 6:00am

What is the smallest PC you can run KDE2 on and still get a reasonable perfomance? Will a Pentium 100Mhz w 32MB of RAM do the trick?


By Birger at Thu, 2000/11/02 - 6:00am

This certainly depends on your definition of reasonable performance and what you want to do with your system.

Nevertheless P100 and 32 MB RAM is probably too slow for the average user. I have 128 MB and a P200 and it is ok. I guess 64 MB and a P133 is the absolute minimum but I never tried that configuration...

ciao, Marco


By Marco Krohn at Thu, 2000/11/02 - 6:00am

This certainly depends on your definition of reasonable performance and what you want to do with your system.

Nevertheless P100 and 32 MB RAM is probably too slow for the average user. I have 128 MB and a P200 and it is ok. I guess 64 MB and a P133 is the absolute minimum but I never tried that configuration...

ciao, Marco


By Marco Krohn at Thu, 2000/11/02 - 6:00am

I got a 500Mhz 128MB PC, so KDE2 doesn't seem slow in any way, but according to 'top' it does take up a lot of memory, almost all I can throw at it.

I remember once using win 3.11 on a P133 with 24Mb. That was fast, really fast, but not very usefull. Word 2 would start in ½ second. It was really cool though so I wonder if I'll ever get that experience again.

Perhaps if one shaved all unnecessary daemons and stuff of the system and ported everything to fbcon? Of course, by the time you're finished, everyone will have 1Gz pc's w 256Mb probably.


By Birger at Fri, 2000/11/03 - 6:00am

"What is the smallest PC you can run KDE2 on and still get a reasonable perfomance? Will a Pentium 100Mhz w 32MB of RAM do the trick?"

Definatelly not. I have a Pentium 120Mhz and 32MB RAM at home. even KDE 1 isn't really useable on that machine. At Work I have a AMD K6/3 with 450Mhz and 386MB Ram. This machine rocks with KDE 2.


By cdo at Mon, 2000/11/06 - 6:00am

KDE1 IS isable with p120/32meg or ram!!! you would benefit from 48 meg or ram!

KDE2 is UNUSABLE with p2-450 it is a slow bullucks!!!


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By bad at Sat, 2000/11/04 - 6:00am