DEC
5
2000

Antialiased Konqueror!

Keith Packard, member of the XFree86 Core Team and author of the highly anticipated Render extension for X, posted an exciting screenshot Sunday to kde-devel: Konqueror displaying kde.org using antialiased text! Unfortunately the code is not ready for general use, but Keith offered a rough patch for Qt to set things in motion. Matthias Ettrich (along with many other enthusiastic core developers) expressed interest, and mentioned Keith's code may be included as soon as Qt version 2.2.3. You can read the full discussion on kde-devel, starting with Keith's initial announcement, here.

Comments

oooh... pretty...


By greg at Tue, 2000/12/05 - 6:00am

No, VERY pretty.....


By Ill Logik at Tue, 2000/12/05 - 6:00am

ehhmm.. I hate to say this, but it's even prettyer than VERY pretty. It's, uhh.. FLABERGHASTING!


By Smári P. McCarthy at Tue, 2000/12/05 - 6:00am

Thats something I have been wishing for. Finally text will be readable in X.
yippy :>


By MacHack at Tue, 2000/12/05 - 6:00am

Very nice indeed, but what is still missing is a majorly updated printing system with full WYSIWYG.

Why cant´t we have something like one directory where you put any Truetype-, Type1-, CID-, etc. fonts, which are then used for both displaying and printing - without having to hack together any Fontmap and fonts.dir files.

Yes, I know there are ways to generate them automatically, but these auto-generation is not exactly always working as it should do.
Especially when you have a large number of fonts you have to spend hours adjusting Fontmap, fonts.dir, etc. so that at least printing from Qt-based-programs works roughly as it should.

Then of course there is the problem that there are many fonts (e.g. asian TTF fonts) which X11 can display but Ghostscript cannot print, at least not without patches.

If we want to beat Windoze on the desktop, this whole font problem needs to be solved.


By jtux at Tue, 2000/12/05 - 6:00am

This sort of thing is already partially solved in Manrake 7.2. Using CUPS, it is capable of rendering fonts for printing pretty well, and FontDrake allows easy font installation, and even importation of Windoze fonts.


By Carbon at Tue, 2000/12/05 - 6:00am

pretty, keep on the good work.


By heroo at Tue, 2000/12/05 - 6:00am

Am I the only one who finds antialiasing overrated?
My fonts look great in KDE2/XFree4.01/Mandrake (as good as in Windows IMHO) and I doubt I will notice any significant difference. (Perhaps my monitor is blurry ;-))


By Zank Frappa at Tue, 2000/12/05 - 6:00am

Zank Frappa? Maybe you got some mudshark on your screen? :-O

It's great that you're happy... but many of us pretty much don't feel like resting until people bust out laughing and slapping thier knee when they see windoze run proclaiming they have a real desktop on thier system. ;-)


By Eric Laffoon at Tue, 2000/12/05 - 6:00am

Are you sure you're not just reading octal fourty? Get your eyes checked willja...


By Smári P. McCarthy at Tue, 2000/12/05 - 6:00am

Yes. I think that's the short version. "Yes, yes you are in fact the only person who "finds" it overrated" - that would be the full version.
Few people will put up with crunchy, craggy, broken-up looking letterforms and other screen elements.

Maybe your truetpye fonts look "OK" as in passable considering it's UNIX, but your diagonals and curves in any drawing tool still look like absolute shit.

Antialiasing in general use a very good thing; cars with pneumatic tires are preferable to solid rubber or wooden wheels although strictly speaking a wheel vehicle need NOT be equipped with inflatable products from Michelin or Goodyear, still you will find few people riding in carts and wagons when faster, smoother riding transportation is available. So too with OS's that spurn what the common folk think is a comfortable interface.


By ac at Wed, 2000/12/06 - 6:00am

OK, this isn't the killer app which will make Linux/KDE the number 1 desktop, but it is a very big move in the direction of taking users away from Windows.

When I am showing people how cool Linux looks with KDE, things go great, until we go surfing the Internet. I hit a web site such as BBC News, and the font rendering is abysmal. Having cool anti-aliased fonts will make Konqueror the browser of choice for many Linuxers (RIP Mozilla)


By Gareth Williams at Tue, 2000/12/05 - 6:00am

Notice the person that wrote the Konquie patch - Keith Packard, of XFree fame. This is not a KDE 'killer-app'. In fact, this has little to do with KDE. The screenshot is a proof-of-concept. This code is going into the XFree86 Core source tree. Hence, Mozilla, Gnome and every other X-enabled app will take equal advantage of the scw33tness.

Have a nice day.

- James


By james at Tue, 2000/12/05 - 6:00am

I think that Konqueror is still a bit far from Mozilla, because Konqueror renders some pages horribly, due to extreme lack of CSS compliance. Mozilla is now even better than IE with CSS


By João Marcus at Wed, 2000/12/06 - 6:00am

Yes, but I can live with substandard page rendering, if I can read the page, and have gone on to something else before Mozilla even loads.

And besides, I've never noticed anything substandard about Konquerors page rendering.


By Gareth Williams at Wed, 2000/12/06 - 6:00am

I'm so sorry to have people like you in the Linux Community. Why the heck would we want to take away windows users? what can they do for us? WHY do we need to take them away, you fscking tell me that dude.

If all windows users would move to linux, then linux will probably shapeshift into a PURE windows CLONE. no more shell, no more full control, just a sweet GUI. and that's not what Linux is all about...

And the arrogance, thinking you can take them away... GOD! This is _NOT_ a race!


By Remenic at Thu, 2000/12/07 - 6:00am

Looks pretty cool, but am I the only one which thinks the "w" looks a bit "fuzzy"?
Take a look under "Family" in the menu to see what I meen. Maybe it's just because of the way the "w" looks, that it is a bit "fuzzy".

It's not something that bothers me...I *really* would like to have this inkluded in KDE 2.1 :-)


By Pointwood at Tue, 2000/12/05 - 6:00am

> inkluded ?

Is this the way we'll have to spell it as soon
as kcc, the KNU Kompiler komes out?

#inklude "konfig.h"

;-)


By Anonymous Cowar... at Tue, 2000/12/05 - 6:00am

What a great idea! Then the gnomes can produce their own gompiler with ingludes to get some competition going ;-)


By Zank Frappa at Tue, 2000/12/05 - 6:00am

Please see my other comment - it's just a spelling error...


By Pointwood at Tue, 2000/12/05 - 6:00am

LOL :)


By Macka at Tue, 2000/12/05 - 6:00am

I guess what you really meant is:

... with ingludes to get some gompetition going ;-)


By Jeremy M. Jancsary at Tue, 2000/12/05 - 6:00am

You're an flaming AC, but I'll answer it anyway. It's actually a my spelling that's bad!

You see, I'm from Denmark and here we spell include with a "k", like this: "inkludere".

It has nothing to do with KDE or that most KDE apps is is called "KSomething"!

And please stop "trolling", what good is it for? - you just sound like a stupid 14 year old kid with nothing better to do...


By Pointwood at Tue, 2000/12/05 - 6:00am

He was just having a bit of light hearted fun. Take a happy pill. That, and the gnome follow up had me in stitches :)

Macka


By Macka at Tue, 2000/12/05 - 6:00am

Oh dammit...is it monday? :-)

I overlooked the smiley, sorry about that "Anonymous Coward III".

Greetings
Pointwood (quietly eating a happy pill :-) )


By Pointwood at Tue, 2000/12/05 - 6:00am

Actually, that isn't trolling, its just that hackers have a tendency to dig puns. It's irrestiable when it involves their current project as well!

For instance, here is trolling (I don't really mean this, it's just an example):

KDE Sucks! Windoze Rules! Shut up all you ***** ****ing *****ers! HAHAHA! I AM GOD! HAHAA! U ALL SUCK! I AM L33T! shut up all you idiots! Windoze rules, and you all stink, so why dont you go **** yourselves!

Note the low self-esteem and the merciless slander without the presentation of any evidence whatsoever. Now this is trolling.

That was trollling, and I've even seen worse! So please, don't mistake just standard hacker punning and joking for trolling!

P.S. I said it once, and I'll say it again. The above trolling is just an example! I don't mean it! I support KDE and linux. I've even done a little coding to help support it.


By Carbon at Tue, 2000/12/05 - 6:00am

A png may contribute to / magnify the blurriness of an image depending on how it's made. Not as badly as your garden variety jpeg, of course.


By ac at Wed, 2000/12/06 - 6:00am


By Zeljko Vukman at Wed, 2000/12/06 - 6:00am

Will this also bring antialiasing to KPresenter?
That would be a big step towards real usability of that program.


By sune at Tue, 2000/12/05 - 6:00am

I have babbled about this feature since I saw X the first time, and now (a long time after) it is here.... YEEEESSSS! Now talking about Qt.. Is this meant to be implemented in a way that ALL text can be antialiased? Like also Konsole? (I would like to c clear 10pix) As someone else said, "... in KDE 2.1 ????". Well.. I hope so.. but with 13 days to beta realese it doesn't sound plausible... or does it? Anyway, this is worth waiting for 2.2 over, since this is exactly the kinda things that make M$ users ENVY us freeminded and independent beings, whith sooo cooool looking DT's./kidcat


By kidcat at Tue, 2000/12/05 - 6:00am

I have babbled about this feature since I saw X the first time, and now (a long time after) it is here.... YEEEESSSS! Now talking about Qt.. Is this meant to be implemented in a way that ALL text can be antialiased? Like also Konsole? (I would like to c clear 10pix) As someone else said, "... in KDE 2.1 ????". Well.. I hope so.. but with 13 days to beta realese it doesn't sound plausible... or does it? Anyway, this is worth waiting for 2.2 over, since this is exactly the kinda things that make M$ users ENVY us freeminded and independent beings, whith sooo cooool looking DT's./kidcat


By kidcat at Tue, 2000/12/05 - 6:00am

SHIT, I DID IT AGAIN!!! SHAME ON ME!!! DO NOT FOLLOW THIS EXAMPLE!!!


By kidcat at Tue, 2000/12/05 - 6:00am

I don't think it's you, it must be some bug.


By reihal at Tue, 2000/12/05 - 6:00am

All talk about hideous looking fonts in X makes me wonder if all these people actually are referring to the scalable Type1 and TrueType fonts, or if they're using non-scalable bitmap fonts that look real blocky when used for big text.
For me there's no huge difference between the same TrueType font used with X and with Windows. Sure, it's smoother under Windows with antialiasing, but not *that* much.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I find it hard to believe that antialiasing would make a bitmap font look great in X.


By Zank Frappa at Tue, 2000/12/05 - 6:00am

I agree. If one spends the time (only about 30 minutes) to bring over all the MS TrueType fonts into KDE, it looks wonderful. The Antialiasing adds a little, but the real improvement is going from bitmap to TrueType... I think that should be stressed.


By Darrell Esau at Tue, 2000/12/05 - 6:00am

Keith Packard, member of the XFree86 Core Team and author of the highly anticipated Render extension for X, posted an exciting screenshot Sunday to kde-devel: Konqueror displaying kde.org using antialiased text!.

Wonderfull.
I love you Keith.


By KDE USER at Tue, 2000/12/05 - 6:00am

Why are all KDE-Apps first announced at
freshmeat and hours later on apps.kde?

Like TODAY KDE 2.0.1 HAS BEEN released. Noted on freshmeat at 05.45 cet.

Now it s 7h later and there s not the idea of someone mentioning that on a kde site. this is weird..


By predator1710 at Tue, 2000/12/05 - 6:00am

Duhhh...Perhaps to let other ftp sites mirror ftp.kde.org :)Otherwise it will take two days before anyone can download anything and the server will be down. There are probably thousands of users out there who look at the ftp.kde.org and when they notice anything the fire off a mail to freshmeat...


By Sam at Wed, 2000/12/06 - 6:00am

3 CHEERS FOR THE KONQUEROR TEAM!

I had almost given up on fonts ever looking good in linux, but once again the KDE folks are on it.

I'm loving KDE2 and can't wait to see the antialiasing and alpha blending in 2.1!

I'd like to buy you guys a beer, you earned it!


By David Talbot at Tue, 2000/12/05 - 6:00am

Great!
The ony problem its that the rest of XFREE does not supported for antialliasing


By OcTO_VIII at Tue, 2000/12/05 - 6:00am

I've been waiting a long time for this.
Finally X is capable of producing readable text.

A big thanks to everybody involved....and keep up the good work.


By Binge at Tue, 2000/12/05 - 6:00am

I'm not impressed. My fonts in Konqueror looks much better. See screenshot.


By Zeljko Vukman at Tue, 2000/12/05 - 6:00am

What's wrong with theese fonts in Konqueror?


By Zeljko Vukman at Tue, 2000/12/05 - 6:00am

The theme you are using is a case for an eye examination ;)


By Sam at Wed, 2000/12/06 - 6:00am

omar atoui ossama


By omar atoui at Mon, 2006/10/02 - 5:00am

OK, if we're comparing length and width anyway, her's konqueror on freebsd with true type fonts enabled on X 3.y using xfstt as font server...


By Danny at Tue, 2000/12/05 - 6:00am

Really nice, so where can I find documentations for install true type fonts on my linuxbox like you?! :-)

Bye!


By miky at Wed, 2000/12/06 - 6:00am

Download and install the xfstt package for your distro and type:
$>man xfstt

follow the man page and you have ttf.


By loserboy at Wed, 2000/12/06 - 6:00am

Thanks a lot! :-) I will download xfstt and install true type font as son as possible! :D


By miky at Wed, 2000/12/06 - 6:00am

Nice to see anti-aliased fonts come to *nix. Those of you who have used Acorn Archimedes RISC OS machines will remember Acorn had this going way back in 1988...


By Soruk at Wed, 2000/12/06 - 6:00am

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