AUG
25
2001

KC KDE Issue #20

Aaron J. Seigo is back with
another issue of Kernel Cousin
KDE
, Issue #20 for Aug. 10. Due to Zack's vacation, the issue
is temporarily being hosted
here. Check it
out for stories on continuing efforts to improve
Konqueror's support for EMCAScript (JavaScript),
security issues when using webform completion, efforts to create SCP and
SFTP KIOSlaves, and much more.

Comments

Since the time of that status update, I've done a lot more work on finding out what is really going wrong with the HeirMenus.

At the moment, there are two main issues with the menus. The first is (I think) a problem with the order in which Konqueror fires mouseover and mouseout events. I've logged a bug (30440) to address this. The second bug should be simple to fix. It addresses Konqueror not supporting cssfloat properly in JavaScript. This bug is 30086.

Hopefully, some kind C++ hacker will get to this before 2.2.1 and I'll see if that gets the menus going.

While getting the HeirMenus to work in Konqueror has been challenging to say the least, I have to admit I was rather bored during the 10 minutes or so it took me to get the JavaScript menu API at brothercake.com working. You can see the homepage of these menus at http://www.brothercake.com/dropdown/index.html. I've been in contact with the author and his next release will incorporate my changes (all three of them) into his code and Konqueror will be a supported platform! Kudo's to the Konqueror team. Short of a confused sniffer script, this code worked in Konqueror just about out of the box!

David


By David Joham at Sat, 2001/08/25 - 5:00am

Thank you for this Kernel Cousin !
It is said :

> KDE3 will therefore have the usual number of new features and improvements in the applications that everyone has come to expect in a new release.

Well, and the old features and improvements ? Are they finished ? Are they all well working ? Isn'it a priority ?

> Ask KDE users what the weakest link in Konqueror's web browsing technology chain is and many, if not most, will say "Javascript".

I am not among these "many" and among these "most". I rarely have javascripts problems, but I have problems with Konqueror about what should be my use of every day, and some ones were not fixed by the new 2.2 release ;

- The lenght URL box in the URL toolbar is extensible. So you begin to pretty configure Konqui, you put the bookmarks toolbar on the right of the URL toolbar
for an useful gain of place, and you surf... Then suddendly, you call a very long URL,Vvvvv... the extensible URL Box is now on all the lenghth of the
screen. The bookmarks bar is under the URL Bar and, even, the Entry button of the URL bar is hidden. Grrrr... How to restore the configuration ? There are around 20 URL in the URL box and there is no parameter to remove it. So The only solution I have found : type the URL http://1 then 2.. until 20 !

- The Local Network is empty (use "lisa -K" ? No... Where is the doc ? Why it is not automaticaly done ?)

- In the KDE 2.2 I do not reach to put my FTP site icon in the Network (I reached in 2.1.1...). After giving the password, the directory is said bad...

- 1 time I put the Babel translation button in the main bar, then it desappeared and now I do not succeed to put it again

- I don't like cookies, but it is necessary for some sites and it is tiring to accept/refuse 1 by 1. It is impossible to delete all the cookies excepted for authorised sites. So I only can delete all cookies and type again my informations in my used sites. What is the utility of authorised sites for me ? (it lacks, near the button "Delete" a check box "excepted for authorised site" - bug report already posted)

- Konqueror is installed with embedded Kmid. Kmid id displayed in the page and sometimes hides the text. The only way to see the text is to copy it and paste
it in an editor, wow... Also, on my PC, Kmid gives an error message, however KMidi works well. I spent a big time for trying to replace KMid by KMidi when clicking on a .mid link : impossible. Grrr... What is the use of the
"incorporation" sheet parameters ? Whatever I do about .mid things, nothing is changed...

- Sometimes in the file management, there is an Html file that I want to view as Web Page. Clicking on it displays it on the little frame where it is. I want to
display it on a big new windows : impossible !! (I mean not easily possible, of course...) I thought than in the right click there would be an option as "Open in a new window" (it is only possible with Netscape and Cie !!)...
No...

- Sometimes, after opening KDE, I can't launch Konqui. I have to restart KDE 1, 2 or 3 times... It is to associate with another very bad thing : sometimes, after opening KDE, the desktop icons are all aligned in the top.
Grrrr... I have to restart KDE and give the good place for each icon !! So yesterday, after restarting 2 times, Konqui was OK, but the icons were bad, I was glad... Yes, yes, fixing such a thing is many more important that improving Javascript...

- I may speak about Java, the difficult installation and the bad result (many applets don't work...), but here it is less important than Javascript...

And I forget some little things... And I don't speak about some general KDE lacks (Confusion between copy-paste / middle button, not key shortcut F3 to
search again...)

Well Konqui is a great program, the KDE users like it very much. It means that we wish the defaults to be fixed.They are for us many more important that the
big useful (yes...) work on javascript. Please, give priority on the finishing.


By Alain at Sat, 2001/08/25 - 5:00am

"Confusion between copy-paste / middle button"

Qt3 solves this problem, which is one of the many reasons KDE's next goal is to port to Qt3.


By Justin at Sat, 2001/08/25 - 5:00am

> The Local Network is empty (use "lisa -K" ? No... Where is the doc ? Why it is not automaticaly done ?)
This is an issue for packagers / distributors, really

> - I don't like cookies, [...]
sorry, I don't understand

> - Sometimes in the file management, there is an Html file that I want to view as Web Page. Clicking on it displays it on the little frame where it is. I want to display it on a big new windows : impossible !! (I mean not easily possible, of course...) I thought than in the right click there would be an option as "Open in a new window" (it is only possible with Netscape and Cie !!)...
Ever tried midle mouse button?

> the desktop icons are all aligned in the top
that is a known issue and actively discussed

Hope my answer is helpfull to you


By Klas Kalass at Sat, 2001/08/25 - 5:00am

> > The Local Network is empty (use "lisa -K" ? No... Where is the doc ? Why it is not automaticaly done ?)
> This is an issue for packagers / distributors, really

It seems that Mandrake guys don't know how to do. They need some explanations...
I prefer a KDE installation independant of the distributors... I understand it may be not easy, but I wish it would be a purpouse...

[Cookies] > sorry, I don't understand
There are 3 options : reject (I don't want), ask (I don't want to answer at each cookies, it is tiring, they are too many)... and so I accept cookies. But sometimes, I want to delete all cookies, excepted those necessary (example : dot.kde). It is impossible. It is useless to put kde.dot is in my accepted sites, its cookies are deleted with the others... I think that a chek box "keep accepted sites cookies" (or a double button "Delete all" "Delete fot not accepted sites") would be fine.

> Ever tried midle mouse button?
No, I have not it on mind, and it is good. Thank you. However the natural way is to search in the context menu... before Lynx, Galeon and Cie....

> > the desktop icons are all aligned in the top
> that is a known issue and actively discussed

The KControl Desktop parameter allows to put icons vertical or not. I think it needs a third choice : vertical, horizontal, free.
This bug is very irritating for me because during several years I had the same thing on my MS Windows desktop. At the end, I found a freeware to save and restore the position of icons. And now I have the same bug in KDE ;-(... Happily, it seems it will be fixed many more quickly...

Thank you very much Carsten for the "Empty contents" of the URL bar, it will be very useful !! And the parameter is in the right place... However, I don't understand the interest of an extensible URL box. I think that a fixed lenght is more easy (with ability to change the lenght).

> Hope my answer is helpfull to you

Yes, thank you, it is easier when feeling things are quickly (2.2.1...) going better !


By Alain at Sat, 2001/08/25 - 5:00am

The loss of the placement of desktop icons (when launching KDE2.2 for the first time) is fixed in CVS.

> - deskop icons issues are being worked on, but by different people than those working on kjs =)
LOL - not really :)


By David Faure at Sun, 2001/08/26 - 5:00am

Quoting:

[Cookies] > sorry, I don't understand
There are 3 options : reject (I don't want), ask (I don't want to answer at each cookies, it is tiring, they are too many)... and so I accept cookies. But sometimes, I want to delete all cookies, excepted those necessary (example : dot.kde). It is impossible. It is useless to put kde.dot is in my accepted sites, its cookies are deleted with the others... I think that a chek box "keep accepted sites cookies" (or a double button "Delete all" "Delete fot not accepted sites") would be fine.

:End Quoting

And this still would be a poor implementation.

I use (on another OS) a browser, that allows me to configure cookies (and much much more, such as JS, frames, image-loading etc.) per URL !

This I want to see. I might want to accept cookies from Slashdot (always) but (never) from Doubleclick. Yes, I can use "Junkbuster" or with Opera (on Windows) I can select if this domain shall be accepted or not. But once I set it it is hard to change.


By coward at Thu, 2001/08/30 - 5:00am

Dear sir,
I've a problem with my web-browser ,i'm not able to browser .b'coz my web cookies has been blocked.could u plz tell me the way how could i enable the cookies ?


By manas at Sun, 2004/11/14 - 6:00am

Hmmm. You've attached this question to a thread that is three years old.
I doubt many people will read this. A better place to ask user questions would be http://www.kde-forum.org/

Is your web browser called konqueror?
If it is: The cookie settings are in the settings menu:
Settings -> Configure Konqueror -> Cookies


By cm at Sun, 2004/11/14 - 6:00am

>There are around 20 URL in the URL box and there is no parameter to remove it. So The only solution I have found : type the URL http://1 then 2.. until 20 !

Right-click on the box and choose "Empty contents". Easy, eh? :)


By Carsten Pfeiffer at Sat, 2001/08/25 - 5:00am

How about konqueror actually remembering usernames and passwords. Sure we have a option to ask it to remember passwords, but it never does so. (e.g. Proxy username/passwords). It always throws an empty Authorization dialog instead of filled one. (Like I.E.)


By parry at Sat, 2001/08/25 - 5:00am

The framework for this is already in place. However, we wanted to think more about the best way to make sensitive data persistent before we implemented a solution. In the meantime the "Keep Password" feature allows you to cache the authorization data for the entire KDE session. Also, if you use the long standing standard of storing login info in a ".netrc" files for you ftp accounts, we automatically support that now. To use it however you have to manually enable support for it. I will write-up a quick howto on this soon until it gets a configuration dialog in the control panel.

Dawit A.


By Dawit Alemayehu at Mon, 2001/08/27 - 5:00am

and what about improving the file save command?
I explain what i noticed when i am browsing some site and i open some .pdf throw the embedded pdf viewer, when i want to save that file i have to write by hand the file name while it's already showed in the url box. It's annoying especially with long file names, it happens even when i open other file (e.g. tar.gz ) with their own associated application.


By Marco at Sat, 2001/08/25 - 5:00am

Thanks, fixed for the PDF viewer (2.2.1 and later versions).


By Carsten Pfeiffer at Mon, 2001/08/27 - 5:00am

while many of your complaints are valid, note that i said that JS was one of the biggest gripes people have with with Konqi's _web browsing_ technology. not file browsing, not lan browsing, or the GUI =) some of your complaints are already fixed, some are distro problems and some are actual bugs (which should be reported). here is a quick rundown of some of the issues you raise:

- the location bar problem, i can't reproduce that here, it works fine even when sharing space with the other toolbars

- emptying the history has already been answered (Empty Contents in right mouse button (RMB) menu)

- local network set up is a distro issue

- to customize the toolbar, go to the Settings menu and select configure Toolbars. lots of fun to be had in there messing around with buttons and custom toolbars.

- file associations can be modified by going to Konqi's settings and going into the File Assocations area. for .mid files, select the audio/x-midi mime type. you will now be able to add, remove or change the priority of viewers for both external and embedded viewing.

- Opening a docu in a new window can be done by middle clicking or by right clicking and going down to the Open With... menu and selecting the specific app you want.

- deskop icons issues are being worked on, but by different people than those working on kjs =)

- Java installation is also a distro issue. with the right JDK Java works pretty darn well in konqi.

so, there is room for improvement to be certain, but many problems users have with Konqi are related to their not knowing all the ins and outs of this very complex and capable applications or how KDE was packaged by their distributor.

HTH


By Aaron J. Seigo at Sat, 2001/08/25 - 5:00am

1) > the location bar problem, i can't reproduce that here, it works fine even when sharing space with the other toolbars
-- Try during some days to place a toolbar near the URL bar on top, in the same level and you will see the problem. It is not new, and it is not fine.
> emptying the history has already been answered
-- Yes, but why the URL bar is auto-extensible ? Is it user friendly to see two toolbars in same level suddendly becoming 2 toolbars, one above the other ? No, it is irritating.

2) > to customize the toolbar, go to the Settings menu and select configure Toolbars. lots of fun to be had in there messing around with buttons and custom toolbars.
-- Sorry, it is not funny to see that I cannot put the translation button on the main toolbar. Have you try ? (please keep it on the toolbar a while, because for me it was right the first time and then the button disappeared and it was then impossible to show it)

3) > file associations can be modified by going to Konqi's settings and going into the File Assocations area.
-- Sorry, it don't work with Kmid. Have you try to replace Kmid by Kmidi ?

4) > Opening a docu in a new window can be done by middle clicking or by right clickin
-- By middle clicking yes, by right clicking, no (to put an Html page (seen as icon) in a new Konqueror window).

========

> many problems users have with Konqi are related to their not knowing all the ins and outs of this very complex and capable applications or how KDE was packaged by their distributor.

Now the end user must know the "ins and outs of this very complex applications", and more the "ins and outs of how KDE is packadged by their distros" ? User MUST know that ? If really it is necessary, many and many KDE users are in a wrong way... I thought that KDE would be user-friendly, for anybody, was I wrong ?...

I understand that some things are not ready and that it will come later, I understand that it is not possible to make 0 bug, but, for example, I don't understand that Konqueror has a local network icon and that I don't see my local network inside. You say that it is not the problem of KDE, that it is the distro problem. Sorry, it is the Konqueror icon that don't work so Konqueror don't works right. And now from several versions... Your "ins" and your "outs" are your problems, not mine. And the better way is to hide such a useless icon (and show it only when it is enabled).

Of course, I hope that KDE will be fine for all users, not only for those who know all the "ins" and outs"... And there are not many things to do to succeed. At first give attention for all the daily irritating things for users, by giving improvement so that KDE will be very well finished...


By Alain at Sun, 2001/08/26 - 5:00am

> Try during some days to place a toolbar near
> the URL bar on top, in the same level and you
> will see the problem

i have been surfing that way all day today, just to see if i could duplicate the problem... i have not been able to get it to jump to a lower toolbar, even though i surfed long and hard through amazon.com's long URLs that were several times as long as the width of the location bar.. am i misunderstanding the problem you were having?

> Sorry, it is not funny to see that I cannot
> put the translation button on the main
> toolbar. Have you try ?

you are correct that it doesn't show up on the main toolbar. but it does show up on the Extras Toolbar. click on Settings -> Show Extra Toolbar. if you want everything on one toolbar, you could add all the items that are in the main toolbar to the extras toolbar, then hide the main toolbar and just show the extras toolbar. this could be made better, but there are ways around it for now. (oh, and don't forget to save the viewing profile (Window -> Save View Profile) to make changes stick.)

another thing that could be made better is how each extra gets its own "toolbar" in the Configure Toolbars area which isn't very intuitive IMO. i think these issues are due to how plugins are handled by konqi and...

> Sorry, it don't work with Kmid. Have you try
> to replace Kmid by Kmidi ?

no, but i have done it with many, many other mime types and it has always worked well.. did you change it for both external and embedded viewing?

> by right clicking, no (to put an Html page
> (seen as icon) in a new Konqueror window).

right click on the icon, go to Open With and select Konqueror.

> Now the end user must know the "ins and outs
> of this very complex applications"

well, it should be as easy to use and learn as possible (KDE isn't 100% there yet, and the usability project is working towards this end). but no matter how "obvious" and "user friendly" a program is, it will still require some learning on the part of the user.

> and more the "ins and outs of how KDE is
> packadged by their distros"

no, not at all. instead their distributor should do a good job of packaging software so their users don't end up with complaints about things like not being able to browse windows shares w/out doing a bunch of extra configuration.

> don't understand that Konqueror has a local
> network icon and that I don't see my local
> network inside. You say that it is not the
> problem of KDE, that it is the distro problem.
> Sorry, it is the Konqueror icon that don't
> work so Konqueror don't works right. And now

i agree that it will seem like a konqueror problem to an end user. however, the KDE project can not control how well or how poorly a distro packages KDE. i am not saying that the icon being there but not working is a good thing, merely that the people that would most likely be able to fix the issue is whomever packaged KDE for your system. (or maybe you just don't have any windows shares on your network?)

> At first give attention for all the daily
> irritating things for users, by giving
> improvement so that KDE will be very well
> finished...

and of course, you do know the best way to make sure that happens, right? get involved! even if you aren't a programmer, there is lots to be done. if you are interested in usability issues, perhaps subscribe to the usability list and give them a hand there...


By Aaron J. Seigo at Sun, 2001/08/26 - 5:00am

> i have not been able to get it to jump to a lower toolbar

So, for example, if your URL toolbar is always 2/3 of the screen width (1/3 for bookmarks toolbar), it keeps always the same lenght ? When you have a very long URL (more that the lenght of screen), you are always 2/3 ?... It is strange that KDE has so different reactions on 2 standard (I think) installation...

> it doesn't show up on the main toolbar. but it does show up on the Extras Toolbar.

Sorry, I do not use the extra bar. However, perhaps it is possible to add this extra bar, with only 1 button, near the URL+bookmarks bars, I try... No, it is impossible to have only 1 button on this extra bar. 5 other buttons (that I don't need) are automatically added, so I have not the place in my configuration...
I read what you say about extra bars. I don't share your advice, I think that the configuration toolbars is intuitive and good, excepted when it don't show some automatically added icons. And the problem (I say the bug) it that the translation button (and some others ?) cannot go on the main toolbar (however it is possible in the config...)

> i have done it with many, many other mime types and it has always worked well.

I said the same thing before trying to replace Kmid by Kmidi.

> did you change it for both external and embedded viewing?

Yes.

> right click on the icon, go to Open With and select Konqueror.

I right click and I see the menu "Open with" :
Kate - Advanced editor - Quanta Plus - Lynx - Galeon - Mozilla - NEdit - GEdit
How I select Konqueror, please ? (of course I don't have changed the default configation, excepted perhaps by moving Kate before Advanced Editor)

> but no matter how "obvious" and "user friendly" a program is, it will still require some learning on the part of the user.

Yes, some learning, not understanding the ins and outs of complex things.

> however, the KDE project can not control how well or how poorly a distro packages KDE.

I think you have to work also to avoid bad packagers, so that they don't let things that don't work for end users. I wish that you write some public "Recommandations" for the distros and that you display how each popular distro follows these recommandations. It would be a good thing that KDE users may choose on objective facts the distributor who has the best installation of KDE.


By Alain at Sun, 2001/08/26 - 5:00am

> Sorry, I do not use the extra bar. However,
> perhaps it is possible to add this extra bar, > with only 1 button, near the URL+bookmarks
> bars, I try... No, it is impossible to have
> only 1 button on this extra bar. 5 other
> buttons (that I don't need) are automatically > added, so I have not the place in my configuration...

Well, we can't please everybody by default (how could we know who wants which buttons in the extra-toolbar?). That's why it's configurable. You get a choice of default-buttons in that bar and configure it to your liking. Remove all but the one you want to have and all is fine, right?


By Carsten Pfeiffer at Mon, 2001/08/27 - 5:00am

> Remove all but the one you want to have and all is fine, right?

Sorry, I cannot remove "all but the one". There are 6 icons in the toolbars and in the configuration there is only 1 icon (translation, the one I put in). So I cannot remove the 5 others...
Perhaps by going somewhere in some .kde subdirectory, I don't try, it may wear some secundary effects...


By Alain at Mon, 2001/08/27 - 5:00am

Well, it does work, I've done it myself. You just have to select the proper toolbar and remove everything you don't need. The entry with the default buttons is called "Extra-Toolbar " for me.


By Carsten Pfeiffer at Mon, 2001/08/27 - 5:00am

> The entry with the default buttons is called "Extra-Toolbar " for me.

For me too, and the so called bar has1 icon "Translate web page" in the configuration while the toolbar has 6 icons.
Now in configuration, I delete the translation button and save. The toolbar has always 6 buttons, included the translation one.
I go again in the configuration : there is 0 button in the Extra toolbar

Haa, perhaps I understand.. I see in configuration :
- Extra toolbar with 0 buttons
- and then 6 other "Extra toolbar", from to , it's foolish !...

Now in the Extra , I delete the unique button , and the toolbar has 5 icons instead of 6. So I then delete the unique button of the 4 other ExtraToolbars, and my Extra Toolbar has at least only one icon...

So now in the configuration, I have 6 ExtraToolBars (including ) without 0 icon and one "ExtraToolBar " with 1 icon.

Hmmm. Now, I feel better to have Babelfish directly on the URL toolbar... I try : no, it don't work, as when I tried on the main bar...

So I try to put the my 3 top toolbars (extra, URL, bookmarks) on the same line. Difficult, I do "Empty contents"... No... I cannot.. I only reach to put extra near URL, but It is impossible to put URL near bookmarks as it was before... I open a new window, I display the extra tool bar, and yes, it is good the 3 bars are on the same line. I call the dot.kde site I click on a "Reply" link with long URL, yes it is still good, so better than yesterday when my bars jumped on several level...

Is it the end of my adventures in the Konqueror toolbars jungle ?


By Alain at Mon, 2001/08/27 - 5:00am

>> Try during some days to place a toolbar near
>> the URL bar on top, in the same level and you
>> will see the problem

> i have been surfing that way all day today, just
> to see if i could duplicate the problem... i
> have not been able to get it to jump to a lower
> toolbar, even though i surfed long and hard
> through amazon.com's long URLs that were
> several times as long as the width of the
> location bar..

It is strange that you have not seen it. Toolbar
handling is very flaky in KDE for a long time. Try
moving around and resizing toolbars...I also have
the location & button toolbars setup next to each
other. A lot of times they appear below each other.
I have seen this when switching to file mode.


By Nadeem Hasan at Mon, 2001/08/27 - 5:00am

i agree that toolbars have room to improve in kde, but they have gotten much better. for instance in 2.2 each profile remembers its own toolbar settings, toolbars tend to respect the desktop settings better, etc... not all is roses yet as some toolbars still have (annoying) blank space at the end of them which prevents one from abutting two toolbars directly together, and other toolbars are simply painful to move around (due to the internal layouts).


By Aaron J. Seigo at Mon, 2001/08/27 - 5:00am

I have this problem too.


By Erik at Wed, 2001/08/29 - 5:00am

One thing that puzzles me is why in hell does artsd keep eating cpu even when it isn't playing any sound? I already checked the suspend when idle option (60 seconds) but it never gets suspended. Trying to suspend artsd in artsshell trigers a artsd busy response. Annoying.


By Carlos Rodrigues at Sat, 2001/08/25 - 5:00am

You can disable the pop up artsd messages in kcontrol.

Craig


By Craig at Sat, 2001/08/25 - 5:00am

Hmmm, it's working ok now, maybe it was that "run soundserver with realtime priority" option that was preventing it from suspending... maybe.


By Carlos Rodrigues at Sun, 2001/08/26 - 5:00am

I was wrong, it was the full duplex option.


By Carlos Rodrigues at Sun, 2001/08/26 - 5:00am

i don't have full duplex enable, and still using abou 75% cpu


By nuno at Mon, 2004/03/01 - 6:00am

I got the same problem. I just want to get rid of artsd and have oss/alsa used instead.


By TetryonX at Wed, 2004/03/31 - 6:00am

I want to start by saying that KDE 2.2 is a huge jump in the usabillity of linux on the desktop. I look forward to the 3.x series being even better! Oh and the new sound server rocks. It used to hog my CPU and skip and now I can play many songs/sounds/movies all at the same time and it can handle it. KDE deffinately has the best sound linux has to offer! Now if only real audio used kde sound server.

I have a couple of questions.

1) Is it possible to get the kdm login background just blank, you know so just the default X gray mesh is displayed? I like that in the login screen for some reason.

2) Is is possible to get the file open dialog to display the same file locations in the drop down as I have configured in the classic side bar part of the konqueror file manager? I have short cuts to my music directory etc. and that way my wife doesn't have to know that the mp3's she wants to listen to is in /mnt/windows_d/ftpsite/mp3s. It's just under /Music.

Thanks.


By Kujo at Sat, 2001/08/25 - 5:00am

> Now if only real audio used kde sound server.

You can use the program "artsdsp" (comes with arts & KDE) to artsify other programs:

$ artsdsp /usr/local/RealPlayer8/realplay
$ artsdsp mpg123 song.mp3
...

> Is it possible to get the kdm login background just blank

The KDM background is set by a program called kdmdesktop, probably launched from your Xsetup file. Look for "Setup=" in your $KDEDIR/share/config/kdm/kdmrc and see where it points (if it's blank, it will be using a default, probably $KDEDIR/share/config/kdm/Xsetup)

Anyway just go edit the target Xsetup file and comment out the kdmdesktop line.

-Justin


By Justin at Sat, 2001/08/25 - 5:00am

Thanks for the help, both things you said worked. Now I can watch the realplayer clips in linux, very cool.


By Kujo at Sun, 2001/08/26 - 5:00am

> 2) Is is possible to get the file open dialog to display the same file locations in the drop down as I have configured in the classic side bar part of the konqueror file manager? I have short cuts to my music directory etc. and that way my wife doesn't have to know that the mp3's she wants to listen to is in /mnt/windows_d/ftpsite/mp3s. It's just under /Music.

That's planned for KDE3, to share those things with Konqueror. For now, you could add some bookmarks in the filedialog. Note that there is no bookmark editor yet :} The file with those bookmarks is ~/.kde/share/apps/kfile/bookmarks.html.


By Carsten Pfeiffer at Mon, 2001/08/27 - 5:00am

For #2, creating a link in the sidebar for MP3's:

(Funny cause I wanted to do the thing)..

Go into your ~/.kde directory, and got the following directory under that:

/share/apps/konqueror/dirtree

Copy the home.desktop to mp3.desktop or something like that, edit it to point to the URL you want, and restart konq...

There really should be a proggy to edit these..

--Garion


By Garion911 at Mon, 2001/08/27 - 5:00am

No news about the delay of KOffice 1.1?


By impatient at Sat, 2001/08/25 - 5:00am

new development are open in the cvs,
so I think the packages of koffice 1.1
are coming soon (one week max)

bye.


By thil at Sun, 2001/08/26 - 5:00am

its still not announced
but some RPMs can be found on mirrors
I found rpm for redhat71 at
http://ftp.fi.muni.cz/pub/linux/redhat-rawhide/i386/RedHat/RPMS/
maybe they have others as ewll...


By thomas at Sun, 2001/08/26 - 5:00am

Well, this are rawhide RPMS, which are development packages for next release of Red Hat, not packages for Red Hat 7.1.

If they work for you, great, but I though you might like to know this :)


By Marko Samastur at Sun, 2001/08/26 - 5:00am

Well, I've *just* tried to listen to a sample from this recent Bela Fleck album on www.towerrecords.com and it was very painfull to get just Real Audio to install/work.

This seems to be the weak point of the whole *nix user web experience. I have *never* been able to get any browser to easily install/invoke a plugin like it can be done under Window$ or MacOS. You follow all the instructions, everything seems to be in the right spot, but every time you click on some RealAudio or Flash link, the (appropriate) player does not allways come up. Ok, RA does come up more often than not, but forget Flash. 'never worked (simply go to www.real.com to see a proof of this), even though it should have. I'm still surprised RA works, as I can't find the plugin file...

I'm just talking about 2 plugins here, but there are many more: Liquid Audio, QuickTime, AuthorWare (MacroMedia), etc. How many are there out in the wild that do not work under Konq?

I must say Konqueror is growing on me: it is fast and accurate (can't render www.archambault.ca, though), it will now let me conduct business on the web... But the fact that plugin invocation is not as smooth as on the dominating commercial OSes is a big point against it. As a user, methinks that a lot of work should go into that area -- or is it just a question of getting those big companies out there to recognize the existence of Linux/FreeBSD-based browsers and write compatible plugins?

The "Internet User Experience" is getting better under KDE (can't comment for The Other Desktop), but it is still not there, so let's not rest too early on our collective laurels.

While I'm not an active coder (I've been trained in the days of punched cards and paper tape), I'm willing to help in testing of code (that's why I keep a removable HD with Debian on it), if this can help.


By bruno majewski at Sat, 2001/08/25 - 5:00am

Might make it easier to view certain pages if you could switch rendering "backends" on the fly. Eg: flash is working wonderfully on estudio.com in mozilla but I can't get Konqui to view the same site properly.

Konqueror *will* work on that site (with he flash plugin) but if rather than fiddling with my konqui setup I could just use an option like "Retry site with different rending engine?" to load gecko/mozilla inside Konqueror that would be cool.
BTW does www.estudio.com give anyone ideas for uhh hehe fancy menus for KDE.30 usign Qt-3.0's fancy new routines and graphics capabilities ;-)


By Rosie Palm at Sat, 2001/08/25 - 5:00am

Actually, you can embed Mozilla (Gecko) into Konqueror - if you have the "kdeaddons" package installed. It should show up in the View menu, I believe.


By not me at Sun, 2001/08/26 - 5:00am

(sigh)

I've done it and it's still quite broken. Menus dont interact with the gecko engine(back, forward); context sensitive menus dont work (right click) and anything on a web page that comes from a different server (eg ad) replaces the rendered page entirely with itself (a very successful ad).

With time this will be the best option for browsing with mozilla for those who use kde. But for now it's unusable.


By ck at Sun, 2001/08/26 - 5:00am

I just watched both real.com and estudio.com with flash in my konqueror, without any troubles. This is on a Debian SID with KDE2.2, all out of the box. It was upgraded from a progenylinux, which had flash already, and konqueror picked it up fine.
Real audio/video works fine for me too, just hope the person from real who mailed the kde mailinglist once will integrate it even better into kde (mimetypes etc).
And for the non-unix plugins, i tested reaktivate with flash, which worked fine, but ofcourse,it's not flash i want it for, but windows media and quicktime.....go get to work all of you who know c++ ;)


By Maarten Stolte at Sun, 2001/08/26 - 5:00am

many of the plugins you mention are not available for linux or other Unixes. why? because the companies that make them don't care. for (a very frustrating) example: apple really doesn't care about supporting free operating systems with their quicktime technology even though their new OS is built on the foundation of free operating systems. people have even offered to do the implementation, sign NDAs, etc... still no go. FEH.

for things like flash that are to be found for Linux, you need to have lesstif installed (a free motif replacement) for the netscape plugin system to work in konqi.


By Aaron J. Seigo at Sat, 2001/08/25 - 5:00am

I do have lesstif installed (well, "lesstif1" from Debian Sid (the unstable one)) and, despite that, anything smelling like flash does not work. www.real.com still wants me to install flash each time I hit it, pops up a multitude of windows and is very annoying.

I wonder what causes the disconnect, here. Could it be more a Debian Sid bug than a KDE bug, maybe?

I guess I'll give Debian Woody (V3) when it comes out officially, maybe something got hosed when I went from Potato to Woody and now to Sid...


By bruno majewski at Sun, 2001/08/26 - 5:00am

There are two types of 'Flash'. One has a Linux Netscape plugin, one doesn't... so you won't be able to view the crap animation until Macromedia get their act together.


By Jon at Sun, 2001/08/26 - 5:00am

But do you have the netscape package that includes the flash plugin installed? Have you configured Konqueror to search for Netscape plugins?


By Evandro at Sun, 2001/08/26 - 5:00am

If I look in Konq's settings, I can see there is already a list of directories for NS plugins, which looks "active" to me -- i.e., Konq will look into them. Proof in point: RA will work now with RA links from music webstores.

But not Flash (not to repeat myself but just to emphasize the point...).

I don't have any Debian NetScape package, I have Sid's Mozilla 0.93+ ... Should I install the NS package just to have plugins, not to use the browser?

Well, why not, I'll give it a try, I have nothing to lose.

p.s.: out of curiosity, anyone have problems defining a network (lpd) printer in KDE? The control centre segfaults on me every time after I enter the IP address and the queue name... Ideas?


By bruno majewski at Sun, 2001/08/26 - 5:00am

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