MAR
28
2001

KDE 2.1.1 is Out!

As everyone has been gleefully pointing out, KDE 2.1.1 is out. The main features of this release over KDE 2.1 are bugfixes, additional language translations, and numerous documentation updates. As an added bonus, you can now also "paste" a URL to Konqueror and have it automatically load the website. I'm also told that KPilot 4.0.1 is in pretty good shape in this release. See the ChangeLog for more details, and the full announcement here. Enjoy!

Comments

Enjoy!

You know we will
Go KDE!


By Mayhem at Tue, 2001/03/27 - 6:00am

I installed this on my suse 7.0, now anti-aliased wont work. Probably a SuSE thing and not a KDE bug. Other than that it is great. Completely flawless.

Thanks too all those involved in the making of the KDE experience.

Q:
Are you ready for the KDE experience


By kde_user at Tue, 2001/03/27 - 6:00am

I have the same problem with SuSE 7.1.
When i used my compiled qt-2.3 version
AntiAliasing works.


By flYtRONiX at Tue, 2001/03/27 - 6:00am

> Are you ready for the KDE experience

Since KDE means "Kalle Dalheimer Experience"[1], you are repeating yourself ;-)

[1] Let's see who can dig up the original reference for this!


By Roberto Alsina at Tue, 2001/03/27 - 6:00am

I thought it was Kurt's Desktop Environment? :-)

(Do you know where that reference is from?)


By Tick at Wed, 2001/03/28 - 6:00am

They keep telling us that the K stands for nothing. This is the official dogma.


By not me at Wed, 2001/03/28 - 6:00am

No dogma, it's just as it is :-)

It *used* to mean something, but it was something completely arbitrary. Now, the same people who made that arbitrary decision took the meaning away.


By Roberto Alsina at Wed, 2001/03/28 - 6:00am

I thought it meant "Kool".


By jliechty at Thu, 2001/03/29 - 6:00am

Used to. Doesn't anymore :-)


By Roberto Alsina at Thu, 2001/03/29 - 6:00am

I think you need a way more totalitarian project control than what kde has to "change facts", as it seems not everyone (http://www.kde.org/documentation/faq/introduction.html#AEN79) is aware of or agrees with the change :)


By nap at Thu, 2001/03/29 - 6:00am

Hey, it's a free world ;-)


By Roberto Alsina at Thu, 2001/03/29 - 6:00am

Says Who. I am in complete control.


By Mark Hillary at Thu, 2001/03/29 - 6:00am

No, that was a joke made by Kurt Granroth in a slashdot-radio interview about a year and a half ago.

They asked him what the K stands for, and he said "Nothing"

Then they joked about it being Kurt's Desktop Environment, and Kurt was like "Yeah, it's my desktop environment."

:-)


By Tick at Thu, 2001/03/29 - 6:00am

I've read a semi-joke saying it meant "Komponentorientiert Desktop Environment"...


By GeZ at Fri, 2001/03/30 - 6:00am

SuSE 7.0 does not come with XFree 4.02 so it is not possible to get AA support.

On SuSE 7.1 you have to install the qt-experimental package and to enable the AA support inside the kcontrol.

hope that helps
adrian


By Adrian at Thu, 2001/03/29 - 6:00am

SuSE 7.0 had Xfree 4.02 under its update section. It now has 4.03 too. These are provided by SuSE themselves and kickass right out of the box. They have specific instructions too. What do you want more in life ?


By RE: How about speed at Fri, 2001/03/30 - 6:00am

This is entirely true. I am currently running SuSE 7.1 with the SuSE versions of XFree86 4.0.3 and KDE 2.1.1, including qt-experimental version 2.3. Everything works except if you turn on anti-aliasing before setting up the fonts properly, DCOP has a heart attack and the symptom you see is no kpanel and no frames around windows - ie KDE window manager apparently not running.

I will post this as a bug report, but it looks like it is a SuSE bug, not a KDE bug, so it will go to feedback@suse.de


By Paul C. Leopardi at Sat, 2001/03/31 - 6:00am

How should the fonts to be set up properly? I simply selected clearly-yu in the fonts dialog in kcontrol but received the decribed problems: DCOP dying and a disappeared kpanel. (SuSE 7.1, XFree86 4.0.3, KDE 2.1.1 and qt-experimental version 2.3)

Thanks for any hints!


By greg at Sat, 2001/03/31 - 6:00am

I have the same problem.


By Mayhem at Fri, 2001/04/06 - 5:00am

Maybe it's me but one thing that's lacking so far in kde2 for me are nice windows decorations. Just look at sawfish, god these windows decorations are awesome. The aqua interface, brushed metal, etc. They are simply so much better. I think kde2 would gain a lot if we had decorations like those. ( and no I'm not a graphic artist, I couldn't draw a sun ( and that's just sad) not even mentioning decorations).


By zack at Tue, 2001/03/27 - 6:00am

If jou want Aqua in KDE, go install the Aqua theme from themes.org

Kind regards, Rinse


By rinse at Tue, 2001/03/27 - 6:00am

The aqua theme doesn't install new window decorations. In fact, as far as I can tell, none of the new themes provide actual new window decorations. A few provide new widget sets, but only a few. Most of the themes that are there are just the default widgets with a different color scheme.

We don't need more color schemes and wallpapers on kde.themes.org, we need new, cool-looking window decorations and widget sets! I haven't yet seen a theme that truly uses the full theming power of KDE2 (perhaps because there is so much theming power there :-)


By not me at Tue, 2001/03/27 - 6:00am

I had this problem when 2.0 came out.
My problem was that kwm wasn't running, or it was still running the version from 1.x. Everything worked except for the widget replacements.

KDE 2.x -does- support window decorations, but only if it's working properly ;-)


By JP Morris at Tue, 2001/03/27 - 6:00am

Yes, of course it _supports_ window decorations. The problem is, there are no KDE 2 themes that actually provide any! There are still KDE 1.x themes, and they include window decorations sometimes, but the support for KDE 1 window decorations in KDE 2 isn't perfect (flickers a lot and some other stuff). Besides, KDE 1.x window-decoration themes are terribly restricted when compared with KDE 2 window-decoration themes.

About widget replacements: There are several out now, the most notable being Aqua, but none have made me feel compelled to switch yet. And there is only a tiny piddling number compared to GTK+ widget themes (of which there are hundreds). Of course, KDE can supposedly import GTK+ themes... I haven't tried that yet. I think I'll go do that right now!


By not me at Wed, 2001/03/28 - 6:00am

Well, aqua changes my system dramaticly, at least all the widgets are changed, and of course the backgrounds of the windows, kicker etc...
Aqua indeed does not change the decoration of the window itself, but other themes do so. Please check them out.
I agree with you that a lot of themes only change the color setting, but if you look further, you wil find some cool themes that change KDE dramaticly

Kind regards, rinse


By rinse at Wed, 2001/03/28 - 6:00am

Rinse, you missed the point, he is talking about titlebar decorations. It is not possible (at least not succefully) to theme titlebar yet. Decorations are hardcoded, and theming doesn't give good results. Maximize/minimize buttons change their look if you resize windows, and borders sucks.


By Antialias at Wed, 2001/03/28 - 6:00am

Aha, but I thought this was possible to theme. I remember using an old theme that did so, I'll check it out soon :)

Kind regards, Rinse


By rinse at Wed, 2001/03/28 - 6:00am

There are other windows decorations accessible through the new Theme-Manager introduced in KDE 2.1. Simply chose "MGBreizh" for example and you get a new window decoration which is not implemented in source code !


By Thomas Eller at Wed, 2001/03/28 - 6:00am

Yeah, but that's a KWM theme, from KDE 1. The new KDE 2 window decorations are much more flexible (different sized buttons, more flexibility in button placement and behavior, etc), and they do require C++ programming.


By not me at Thu, 2001/03/29 - 6:00am

There are widget sets galore, from what I can see, but I agree that we need new window decorations. What daunts people with that is that no-one seems to be able to find docs for building window decorations, me included. And speaking of cool looking stuff for kwin, how about tons of neat animations for window exits and entrances, and iconifications?


By Carbon at Wed, 2001/03/28 - 6:00am

Well, there are one or two quite nice themes out.
I currently use KwiX, which has relocatable buttons. Then there's Quartz, which has a nice, clean look. Since KDE 2.1 there's a Windows 2000 theme, too... Making a new client really isn't difficult - if you take a simple one as an example, such as the Windows 2000 theme, you should be able to get good results quite quickly.

But I can really recommend KwiX - it has replaced System++ as the fixture on my computers. See:

http://apps.kde.com/na/2/info/id/1046?sid=857213f1d0ffe81f81c5651c326b99da


By Boudewijn Rempt at Wed, 2001/03/28 - 6:00am

I tried to download KwiX, but TheKompany demands a username and password. filling in anonymous fals, What am i doing wrong?

Kind regards, Rinse


By rinse at Thu, 2001/03/29 - 6:00am

I have problems compiling kwix under Debian testing, here's the error message:

configure: error: We need a working libXext to proceed. Since configure
can't find it itself, we stop here assuming that make wouldn't find
them either.


By Boing Ball at Wed, 2001/03/28 - 6:00am

You probably need to install the xlibs-dev Package.

-- Jaldhar


By Jaldhar H. Vyas at Wed, 2001/03/28 - 6:00am

I have problems compiling kwix under Debian testing, here's the error message:

configure: error: We need a working libXext to proceed. Since configure
can't find it itself, we stop here assuming that make wouldn't find
them either.


By Boing Ball at Wed, 2001/03/28 - 6:00am

There's 3-6 new decorations on the way for 2.2, and hopefully more people will get interested by this and start writing their own decorations and committing these..


By Christian A Str... at Tue, 2001/03/27 - 6:00am

/* hopefully more people will get interested by this and start writing their own decorations and committing these.. */

I would like to make and contribute my own window decorations, but haven't an idea where to start. If you could point me to the right web site where it tells about how to do this, I would appreciate it much.


By jliechty at Wed, 2001/03/28 - 6:00am

There's a nice tutorial on widget theming at http://www.mosfet.org/themeapi/

I don't know how much detail it goes into about KWin theming, though. And since Mosfet seems to have dropped off the face of the Earth (at least as far as updating his webpage is concerned) I don't know when we can expect his tutorial to be updated.


By not me at Wed, 2001/03/28 - 6:00am

IIRC, it doesn't talk much about actually coding a window decoration. I wanted to give it a shot a while ago, but simply didn't have the time to figure it out without a tutorial. I think I remember that there were very few comments in the source, and while some people don't need them, I'm a documentation freak (especially because my C++ is rusty). Unfortunately, this meant that it wasn't worth the required effort (not to me, anyway).


By kdeFan at Wed, 2001/03/28 - 6:00am

Download KwiX window decoration from
thekompany website or apps.kde.com
The source is out there
Also u can contact it's author for further info


By Yogeshwar at Wed, 2001/03/28 - 6:00am

There will be a tutorial on writing a kwin style real soon now.

Rik


By rikkus at Wed, 2001/03/28 - 6:00am

I hope you will do that ;)


By Antialias at Wed, 2001/03/28 - 6:00am

I look forward to it.


By Mayhem at Sun, 2001/04/01 - 6:00am

There used to be a Widget Designer on Mosfets site. What happened to that?
You can see the linked button to it, on this sceenshot: http://www.mosfet.org/themeapi/kwm.gif


By reihal at Wed, 2001/03/28 - 6:00am

Well here's one new one by me - Quartz :)
http://gallium.n3.net/

Look at kde-look mailing lists for more info about this stuff, and possible future plans and ideas.


By Karl at Wed, 2001/03/28 - 6:00am

They're great! But where can I get them? There aren't any links on your website.


By zack at Wed, 2001/03/28 - 6:00am

Quartz is in CVS HEAD / developers branch. I just put it in a week or so ago. It'll be in the next stable kde version hopefully :)


By Karl at Wed, 2001/03/28 - 6:00am

Could you make a tarball of it and post it on yer site. Thanks anyway, it look goooood.


By Mayhem at Wed, 2001/03/28 - 6:00am

If you want more info about a scriptable kwin client, post your ideas to the kde-look thread, where I give some thoughts and ideas about this stuff. Believe me, I'm working on it, but its not trivial, so we need user input, esp. on what features the kwin scriptable client should have to make kwin the best scriptable window manager ever.


By gallium at Wed, 2001/03/28 - 6:00am

Quartz looks great! (The W2K is a little icky... ;)

But, can't someone please bring back the configurable buttons of KDE1??

When Win95 came out with minimize-maximize-close all in the right hand corner I thought it was the most stupid thing I'd seen. Everything in the same place? I don't know how many times I've seen someone (especially newbie users) close a program by mistake!

This is a dreadful piece of UI and we shouldn't just ape MS on it just because it is common.

What I personally want is what window maker does - close and minimize, clearly separated, and everything else on a popup menu when and if I need it.

BTW, the stay-on-top feature of KDE 2.1? RULES!! :)


By jd at Wed, 2001/03/28 - 6:00am

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