MAY
16
2001

Kernel Cousin KDE #9: System Configuration Tools, etc.

After missing a week due to other commitments, Aaron J. Seigo is back in full swing with KC KDE # 9. Highlights include a new project to build KDE system configuration tools, improvement of the KDE printing framework to direct output to arbitrary devices (including faxes), and access control lists for KDE CVS. Read more here.

Comments

nothing like this ever happened in the gnome community.

http://kt.zork.net/kde/kde20010511_9.html#1

The Kompany controls parts of kde(kvivio),
whereas ximian welcomes the community.


By ac at Tue, 2001/05/22 - 5:00am

Two months ago I awoke to a distance sound, almost like a drum far over the horizon. Today that sound is louder and I know what it is. I also know that many of you have heard this sound. It is a beast of monsterous proportions striding forth from its cave in Redmond, Washington. Branded on its twisted forehead is a strange symbol: XP. Make no mistake people... This monster will test the Penguin and his allies like nothing before.

Do you remember the hoopla surrounding Win95? Keep in mind that Microsoft has sworn to spend (and yell) even more for the launch of XP. This is not the moment for GNOME and KDE to fight. The future of Linux on the desktop is balanced on a knife edge. Anyone who doesn't agree is fooling themselves.

This is an opportunity for the KDE guys to show the Open Source community the correct path... cooperation instead of competition. There have been hints recently of the ice between KDE and GNOME beginning to thaw. Using the same backend for system configuration would be a huge step in the right direction. End users will like it and the media will love it. Maybe this can't be done... maybe the Ximian backend cannot be abstracted suffeciently to allow KDE to use it. However, the effort must be made. There is too much at stake.


By Rimmer at Thu, 2001/05/17 - 5:00am

Yes, Windows XP will be a true test of Linux. XP is the result of Microsoft finally waking up and realizing what their customers want. XP will be *very* stable, possibly even as stable as Linux, probably more stable than XFree+KDE, and certainly light-years ahead of any other Microsoft product. It will also have features that Linux has had for years, such as true multi-user capability and remote-desktop features like X. The difference with XP is that all these features will be easy-to-use and accessible to anyone from the start, unlike the same features in Linux which practically require a doctorate in system configuration files to set up. Unified config tools such as these proposed tools are the only way KDE can hope to compete with XP's new ease-of-use.


By not me at Fri, 2001/05/18 - 5:00am

Have you ever LOOKED at the source code if XST?
Yes, that's right, YOU CAN GET THE SOURCE CODE!
And guess what? You don't have to ask Ximian for permission and you can even fork it!
Wow, amazing, everybody said that it's controlled by Ximian!
Apparently not...


By dc at Sat, 2001/05/19 - 5:00am

Er... I think I was saying that KDE should try to use the Ximian setup tools. Isnt that what I said? *ponder*


By Rimmer at Mon, 2001/05/21 - 5:00am

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Oops, must be my bat and inkompleet knowledge of English. Sorry. :)


By dc at Mon, 2001/05/21 - 5:00am

This sort of rubbish is exactly what KDE should avoid getting involved in. At best it would be a misuse of developers time. Let the distros clean up their own mess.


By Spooq at Fri, 2001/05/18 - 5:00am

The Ximian Setup Tools have been architected into front-ends and backends, the backends do not even have a GUI and no dependency on GNOME.

The goals are pretty much the same, and we have been working for some time on them.

Check the white paper here:

http://primates.ximian.com/~miguel/helix-setup-tools.html


By Miguel de Icaza at Fri, 2001/05/18 - 5:00am

"..There is no need to duplicate this functionality between GNOME and KDE..."
- Chema Celorio

http://www.derkarl.org/kdesysconfig-archives.phtml?id=63


By jose marin at Fri, 2001/05/18 - 5:00am

Actually, I have started a project at Source Forge which is exactly what you are talking about. It's called KISAW, or KDE Integrated System Administration Wonder. There's still no code, but the project exists. So, if anyone wants to help out, please visit http://sourceforge.net/projects/kisaw.


By Steve Hunt at Fri, 2001/05/18 - 5:00am

Sorry about that. Believe me, it was accidental!! PLEASE!!!

Admins: Please, just delete them :-)


By Steve Hunt at Fri, 2001/05/18 - 5:00am

Actually, I have started a project at Source Forge which is exactly what you are talking about. It's called KISAW, or KDE Integrated System Administration Wonder. There's still no code, but the project exists. So, if anyone wants to help out, please visit http://sourceforge.net/projects/kisaw.


By Steve Hunt at Fri, 2001/05/18 - 5:00am

Actually, I have started a project at Source Forge which is exactly what you are talking about. It's called KISAW, or KDE Integrated System Administration Wonder. There's still no code, but the project exists. So, if anyone wants to help out, please visit http://sourceforge.net/projects/kisaw.


By Steve Hunt at Fri, 2001/05/18 - 5:00am

You guys don't cooperate with Ximian not because Ximian Setup Tools' backends aren't good enough, but because you dont WANT to!
Great. Keep up the FUD. Believe what you want.
Believe that GNOME is controlled by Ximian and you have to ask permission first before you can fork the source code.
Believe that the GPL isn't "viral" enough to protect GNOME.
Believe that the FSF will do nothing about it.

I don't ask permission to do that. Do you?
I don't see TrollTech or TheKompany be able to take over KDE, do you?
I don't see the FSF sit there and do thing if such thing happens, do you?


By dc at Sat, 2001/05/19 - 5:00am

Good news, troll, we're cooperating with the ximan config thingy, and will begin working on a KDE version, which means soon, unix will have a single unified config system soon! Yeehaw!


By Charles Samuels at Sat, 2001/05/19 - 5:00am

Well take another look. I encourage the use of one single backend for both configuration tools and you call me troll?
Now it's obvious who the real troll is.


By dc at Sun, 2001/05/20 - 5:00am

The way you state your argument certainly makes you seem like a troll. And unlike the person you are responding to, you are not contributing any code, do you?


By jj at Sun, 2001/05/20 - 5:00am

Which part of my comment looks trollish?
I based them from the other comments I read.
Most people don't want to work together with Ximian because they fear/don't trust Ximian.
Read the comments and you know it.


By dc at Mon, 2001/05/21 - 5:00am

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