KDE 2.2alpha2 is Out!

Friday, 1 June 2001  |  Numanee

KDE 2.2alpha2 is here! Blessed by release master Waldo Bastian only a few hours ago, this release has a ton of improvements over KDE 2.1.x. You can view the ChangeLog or glance at the alpha1 announcement for an overall idea of some of the changes versus the stable branch. However, to discover the rest of the cool stuff -- such as the new regexp filter in KNewsTicker or the Kicker taskbar/extension improvements -- you'll have to download KDE 2.2alpha2 and see for yourself. As usual, source is available as well as binary packages (read our policy) for Mandrake, Red Hat, SuSE and Tru64. Debian users should check the regular sources. Keep in mind that this alpha release is not for people who expect a stable desktop, there is a short list of known problems already.

Comments:

Schweeeeet! - Josh - 2001-06-01

Cool, I was wondering when this release would come about. Thanks a bunch! Two questions for ya: 1. What is a Debian APT source for this release? 2. To compile from CVS, what version of <b>autoconf</b> should I use? (I have 2.50 and it is giving me a faulty .config script) Thanks! -Josh

Re: Schweeeeet! - Erik - 2001-06-01

I reported the problem and was told to use autoconf 2.13. But I won't downgrade. I will just wait until they fixed it to work with autoconf 2.50.

Re: Schweeeeet! - Triskelios - 2001-06-01

autoconf 2.5x has enough syntax changes that it's not going to work with KDE (and many other things) for a while; it's not a release version, anyway.

Re: Schweeeeet! - ik - 2001-06-01

actually, search on lists.kde.org for 'autoconf' and you will find a patch to acinclude. that patch + running 'autoupdate' should fix it

Re: Schweeeeet! - Josh - 2001-06-02

I just downloaded the DEB from debian.org foro autoconf 2.13. Dpkg did a nice, smooth downgrade and I got things to compile. Just hope that a full system update from dselect won't download the newest (2.50) from APT again and overwrite 2.13. Anybody know if that will happen, or will Dselect/APT respect my manual package downgrade? Thanks! --Josh

Re: Schweeeeet! - ik - 2001-06-02

in unstable, there is a 'autoconf2.13' package. just download it, and install it. if you keep autoconf2.50 around, it will use autoconf2.50 when possible, otherwise it will use autoconf2.13

Re: Schweeeeet! - Erik - 2001-06-02

However, unlike CVS, the alpha2 tarballs don't need autoconf, so I will stay with them a while.

Z Rock baby! - Tony Coffman - 2001-06-01

I was aimlessly surfing sites, and I thought to myself, "Self - why don't you see if the dot is back on the air?" Imagine my surprise to see the server back online and the release is out. Just made my evening here in Ohio.

Speed? And a (good) suggestion for themes - Rimmer - 2001-06-01

Any improvements in applications loading speed? The longer I use KDE the more annoyed I become at the 5-6 seconds required to load everything. I have a VERY fast machine... I can imagine how annoying it must be for someone with P2 300. I've actually thought about trying GNOME 1.4 :) Wouldn't it be nice if there was a revert button for desktop styles? Currently switching styles can also change the desktop color. It would be nice if there was a revert button that would change the style and color to the previous settings (like GNOME has for GTK themes). Rimmer PS - How about a fix for bug #25490 in KDE 2.2?

Re: Speed? And a (good) suggestion for themes - KDE User - 2001-06-01

If you have a VERY fast machine then something is VERY wrong. I only have a Celeron with a slow harddrive, and no single KDE application that I use takes as much as 5-6 seconds to load. You might try FreeBSD too, I heard they get some good performance.

Well - Rimmer - 2001-06-01

5-6 seconds is an exaggeration. However the time for applications such as KMail and Konqueror to load seems like an eternity to load compared to their Windows equivalent.

Re: Well - Matt - 2001-06-01

Konqueror never takes more than a second to load on all my machines (from 400MHz to 800MHz).

Re: Well - Jos van den Oever - 2001-06-01

On my PII 267MHz with 256 Mb Konqueror 2.1.2 takes 7 seconds to load after having just closed it, while running almost no other applications. I'm using SuSE 7.1 with their 2.1.2 rpms.

Re: Well - Wilke Havinga - 2001-06-07

This is strange - I'm running on a Celeron 466 with 128 MB of memory, and it takes at most 1 second to start up, much less if another session is already open. My KMail got several folders and contains about 12000 mails in total. It takes about 3 seconds to start, which is quite long, but I guess it takes some time to load those index-files :-) So there must be something wrong with your configuration or the RPMs are compiled without any optimization turned on (?) I still find it strange that the speed differs so much on computers that are quite similar. Btw. I compiled everything from source...but I understand not everyone wants to do that. Maybe RPM builders should get better instructions, or the makefiles should have faster 'default' settings?

Re: Well - Jos van den Oever - 2001-06-07

It might be the X that is trying to load loads of fonts for each application that starts. I wonder how I can speed this up. I don't even have or need anti-aliased fonts. Just for the fun of it, I'll try an optimized compile myself and report the speed.

I'm not sure I believe you :) - Rimmer - 2001-06-06

Even after loading konqueror a few times I can't get close to 1 second... I'm amazed that konqueror loads the first time in 1 second on your system. What distribution and kernel are you using? SCSI or IDE hard drive? Please tell us the secret!

That's because it's already mostly loaded - Chris Wong - 2001-06-09

That's probably because you already had most of it loaded. If you had enabled HTML viewing in Kmail, for example, khtml would already be loaded. On the other hand, starting up Konq without the khtml stuff loaded (by any KDE app) is much slower. Chris

Re: Well - Jerry Ruhe - 2001-06-03

Hard drive speed tweaks may be the answer. try this: /sbin/hdparm -c1 -d1 -a1 -m16 -u1 /dev/hda *note - the hda is the drive on my box... you may have a different device setting ie /dev/hdb or /dev/hdc ect just a thought

Re: Well - Micko - 2001-06-06

This helped me a LOT! Things start up at half the time now and XMMS has stopped distort sound when I start a new process. Is there more tuneing that can be done? Was I just lucky that these parameters was right for my HD? Take a look at the difference in testresults by Bonnie in attached file.

Re: Speed? And a (good) suggestion for themes - Trynis - 2001-06-01

I recently upgraded from a 180MHz PPro to a 1.1GHz Athlon, and I must say that the startup times for applications don't differ very much. I believe the speed of the harddisk is more important (I still have the old disks from the PPro :-P). I expected much faster startup times. /trynis

Re: Speed? And a (good) suggestion for themes - Christian Lavoie - 2001-06-01

This might make your day. http://upx.sourceforge.net/

Re: Speed? And a (good) suggestion for themes - nap - 2001-06-01

Hey Christian, I want more commercial grade applications open sourced and ported to Linux, preferably under Qt/KDE. Oh, yeah, and throw in the world peace too. Maybe you have link to something that might make _my_ day? :)

Re: Speed? And a (good) suggestion for themes - Christian Lavoie - 2001-06-01

I'll look into it =)

Re: Speed? And a (good) suggestion for themes - Timothy R. Butler - 2001-06-02

Do you have Anti-Aliasing installed? With a lot of fonts (like I have) things really slow down. I hear that the next release of XFree86 (4.1) should fix this. It was suppose to be out mid to late May, so keep an eye out for it! :-) -Tim

Re: Speed? And a (good) suggestion for themes - stoerung - 2001-06-03

4.1.0 is already out

Re: Speed? And a (good) suggestion for themes - kevin - 2001-06-05

This copied from the xfree86.org site: XFree86 4.0.3 update release available[16 March 2001] XFree86 4.0.3 is a bugfix/update release. It is an update that is installed on top of the 4.0.2 release. The next full release will be 4.1.0, scheduled for mid-late May 2001. Feel free to visit.

Re: Speed? - eze - 2001-06-07

About 4 seconds to launch konqueror, used to be faster before I upgraded from kde-2.1.0 I have compiled kde from source. Use Debian/Testing with XFree-4.0.3 AMDk6II-450 w/ATA66 7200rpm drives and 160 MB RAM

I think so - Josh - 2001-06-01

Supposedly there is a "speed hack" in CVS (which would be into this alpha release, I think). I'm not sure, but they were talking about it a few weeks back after the article about "An Analysis of KDE Speed". -Josh

Re: I think so - ik - 2001-06-01

that speed hack would be called 'kdeinit' and it is already in kde 2.1.1 i tought

Re: Speed? And a (good) suggestion for themes - Craig - 2001-06-01

Well if you need speed gnome is the place to go lol. Wait time you fire up that speed demon Nautalus. Wow it really fly's. Craig

Re: Speed? And a (good) suggestion for themes - Gaute Lindkvist - 2001-06-01

Actually.. Nautilus 1.0.3 starts just as fast as Konqueror 2.1.1 on the same hardware. Nautilus-CVS is actually more responsive and faster than Konqueror 2.1.1. Of course.. The KDE-gang may have improved their load-time in CVS/pre-2.2 as well.

Re: Speed? And a (good) suggestion for themes - Craig - 2001-06-02

Cool and i have some ocean front property in arizona to sell you. Go sell crazy some were else we're all filled up here. Craig

Re: Speed? And a (good) suggestion for themes - Carbon - 2001-06-02

Craig, there's no need to act like KDE is omnipotent. GNOME does have several nice features that I miss somewhat from my earlier linux experiences(such as nested cabinets), and I think that in the future a merge will certainly be a good idea. If we get serious commercial gui development (and I think we will) having two DE's and two DE toolkits is akin to having two executable formats (except that porting between is much harder). Please, stop the anti-GNOME stuff.

Re: Speed? And a (good) suggestion for themes - Craig - 2001-06-02

I Hear a lot of this merge talk. Sorry if i'm ignorante but how are the two desktops going to merge? Are you talking merge of the teams? Once Xiamian goes under i could see more gnome developers defecting across the wall but i don't see how there could be a merge of the desktops. Even if it would be technically feasable which i'm not sure that it could be i still don't think we would want to do it anyway. In the end there can be only one. If i sound too pro kde well this is the dot so i think i'm permitted that. Craig

Re: Speed? And a (good) suggestion for themes - Carbon - 2001-06-03

>How are the two desktops going to merge? I believe it's techincally feasible, if not right at the moment. Haven't you heard about the work on the gtk wrapper? Even with the speed decrements, that will mean very little in a couple years as optimizations improve and hardware becomes much cheaper and faster. >Once Ximian goes under i could see more gnome developers defecting It isn't defecting! That's just what I'm talking about, we aren't in competition! We both have the same goal, to provide a good Open Source desktop enviroment to the masses, and there's no reason at all we can't help each other, since there is almost no profit motivation! >In the end there can only be one. Nope, not true. Although a merge would be good, development on either of these projects will stop only once developer interest stops, and that's highly unlikely at this point since both DE's have a major user following. If we don't merge, what could also happen is we could both move toward different but similar niches with the DE scope (similar to what happened with emacs and vim, imho). >If I sound too pro-kde well this is the dot so i think i'm permitted that I wasn't saying you weren't. Similarly, this is the dot, and I'm allowed to tell you I think you're wrong :-)

Re: Speed? And a (good) suggestion for themes - Craig - 2001-06-03

>Even with the speed decrements, that will mean very little in a couple years as optimizations improve and hardware becomes much cheaper and faster. Sounds like what they said about java. Your wrong here its a bad idea. >we aren't in competition! Huh? Hello Mcfly >development on either of these projects will stop only once developer interest stops Reality check. The majority of development on gnome will dry up when the VC money dry's up. One down one to go. Craig

Re: Speed? And a (good) suggestion for themes - Carbon - 2001-06-04

>>Even with the speed decrements, that will mean very little in a couple years as optimizations improve and hardware becomes much cheaper and faster. >Sounds like what they said about java. Your wrong here its a bad idea. Actually, you're probably right about that. What about diversion? I.e. both projects become more specialized toward a particular purpose. Perhaps GNOME will move more toward embedded devices and KDE more towards generalized PC usage, or GNOME in the office and KDE at home. This happened, imho, in a way with emacs and vim : both have a heavy following, and both are in the general catagory of 'text editors', and one could argue convincingly about either being the best. But lately (at least as I have observed) vim seems to be used more for web development, and emacs for compiled languages, although either can be used for the other one. >>we aren't in competition! >Huh? Hello Mcfly No really. We aren't in competition! Why should we be? We aren't competing over profits, we both have similar goals and similar motivations, and there is no 'war' because the success of one does not mean the other will die. This is because the sucess of any Open Source bazaar-style project is determined entirely on how much developers are interested in it. GNOME is not dependant on commercial money right now in the same way KDE is not dependant on commercial money right now : any developer of either project would probably be working on it anyways even if they weren't being paid, money just speeds up the process.

Re: Speed? And a (good) suggestion for themes - Craig - 2001-06-04

Without VC gnome would'nt have Nautalus or Redcarpet or Evolution. Enough said. Craig

Re: Speed? And a (good) suggestion for themes - Carbon - 2001-06-05

No, not enough said. These programs are pretty core progs, being (i believe) in order a browser/fileman, an installer, and a groupware suite, but just because they were developed as commercial interest doesn't mean they or something similar would never exist. I suppose that had kivio not existed, it would have been impossible for kde to ever have a diagramming app and python bindings? Of course not, kivio's help merely speeded up the process.

Re: Speed? And a (good) suggestion for themes - jj - 2001-06-03

A merge is not going to happen. There are too many differences. However, there will certainly more cooperation on some projects which can be done separately of the GUI and you just need to write a frontend for it. The possible use of aRts in Gnome and a version of the Ximian configuration utility are some possible projects were such cooperation can happen.

Re: Speed? And a (good) suggestion for themes - Carbon - 2001-06-03

>A merge is not going to happen I dunno about that, I've seen some incredible things happen on both projects. Perhaps in the end developes will write using whatever toolkit they want, and at least a sort-of port will be possible due to two-way wrappers, albiet slower then normal. Have you seen the gtk wrapper project? I also seem to recall something called KIMP, can someone provide URL's for either of those?

Re: Speed? And a (good) suggestion for themes - Jo Øiongen - 2001-06-01

I do have a Compaq Armada 1750 with a PII running at 300MHz. My experience is more or less the same. It only takes 4 - 5 seconds to load aplications here... ;-) And oh yes, I'm running the Alpha2 on RH7.1.

Re: Speed? And a (good) suggestion for themes - fler - 2001-06-01

The applications are slow to load because you enabled anti aliasing. Current releases of Xfree do not cache anti aliased font information and it has to be re-processed each time you start an anti aliased application, hence the slowness. Wait for XFree 4.1 or turn off anti aliasing. On my system (p2 400, 256Mb Ram), XFree 4.03 + kde 2.2 alpha 1 with all eye candy turned on, I have to wait 45s between the moment I type startx and the moment the desktop becomes usable :/ (only 6 seconds with blackbox)

Re: Speed? And a (good) suggestion for themes - Christian Lavoie - 2001-06-01

This is insane. I can report around the same numbers for my computer. Just a slight difference tho, my computer is a Cyrix 133mhz, 64megs of RAM. Not a speed daemon of any sort. (I've got KDE2.1.1, with all bells and whistles I couldn think of). You should very well consider changing distros. I've been converting a few friends of mine lately from <many other RPM distros> to Debian lately ("There's a condition for me helping you out installing your linux machine again...") and the typical comment I get is: "Man, this runs faster, what'd you do??". I don't know what's wrong with all those distributions, but <quote>there's something rotten in the state of Denmark, and its not the cheese in the cafeteria</quote>. In one case, the guy swears its TWICE as fast. (And no, that doens't mean the 'old' distros had millions of daemons running in the background, or such obvious performance killers) I'm investigating the issue right now, if anyone has seen this too, please contact me. Yours Truly, Christian Lavoie

Speed of Debian - Ben Hall - 2001-06-01

Yeah, I noticed this too. I was a long time Mandrake user before I tried out Potato and I haven't looked back. I have two hard drives right now: Debian Sid (My main machine) and Mandrake 8.0 (for testing things like KDE alphas..) and the speed difference between the two is amazing! I use Mandrake for an hour or two, go back to Debian and can't believe it's the same base OS and _identicle_ hardware. It's too bad too, as all of Mandrake's bells and whistles are tempting. On the other hand, how often do you play with NIC/printer settings once they're working? I've been working on the same Debian install from last October, Mandrake's been through several versions since then. Debian is super-sweet. I love that I do apt-get update && apt-get upgrade and voila! up-to-date OS. Getting back to the point, I also have no idea why Mandrake/Red Hat is so much slower. I run Apache, sendmail, VMWare, SSHd, OpenLDAP and a slew of other servers on my Debian box too, and it's zippy. I'd love to help you investigate these differences.. Ben

Re: Speed? And a (good) suggestion for themes - Nick - 2001-06-01

One of the best speed improvements you can get is by making your hard disks use DMA transfers. This will generally making things load faster. Run hdparm /dev/hda to see what things are currently set as. hdparm -d1 /dev/hda turns DMA on on hda. It does make a substational difference. I think the speed difference between distros can be explained by different ones enabling it by default.

Re: Speed? And a (good) suggestion for themes - Christian Lavoie - 2001-06-01

Sorry to disappoint you, but DMA was turned off on my system... (Why not? No clue...) (Thanx for the tip tho =) Are there any counter-advices to using DMA on HDs?

Re: Speed? And a (good) suggestion for themes - Nick - 2001-06-01

I think it is safe to use DMA, except on afew dodgy drivers/controllers. Just thought of another speed up (well not so much a speed up, as a way to increase responsiveness which I think Debian uses) is to run X at a -20 priority instead of 0.

Re: Speed? And a (good) suggestion for themes - Justin - 2001-06-02

Be careful with hdparm and DMA. I destroyed my hard drive with it awhile back. No more hdparm for me! Back everything up first, or do it from a fresh install (where you don't have much to lose). -Justin

Re: Speed? And a (good) suggestion for themes - Stefan Heimers - 2001-11-07

The difference could be in the way distros partition and use the harddisk. Harddisks rotate at a constant speed, but have more data on the outer sectors than on the inner sectors. That means, your first partition will have a higher transfer rate than the last one. Spliting your harddrive in several partitions can make your linux system slow if you put them in the wrong order. Beginners should only use two partitions: hda1 for swap and hda2 for /. ...and you should always have swap before your system partition to make it fast and reduce head movements. ... and Linux sometimes seems slower than Windows because Windows is always in /dev/hda1 ;-( Stefan

Re: Speed? And a (good) suggestion for themes - steven willis - 2002-11-14

a wicked tip this does help a lot thanks!

Re: Speed? And a (good) suggestion for themes - Christian Lavoie - 2001-06-01

This might make your day. http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc/2001-05/msg01670.html

Re: Speed? And a (good) suggestion for themes - Marvin - 2001-06-04

If you have ~64MB of RAM you should consider upgrading to at least 128MB. I've experienced a major speed improvement from that, with 64MB my machine starts swapping way too often (when I run KDE, that is).

If you want nothing but speed, don't use a DE - Ian - 2001-06-04

I find it KDE to be very fast on my 300 PII, but then again I'm used to Windose. Really, if don't care for bells and whistles boot up one of the windows managers.

Here are my Konqueror loading times - Rimmer - 2001-06-06

This first time I open konqueror it can take ~5 seconds to load. This is on a Thunderbird 1100 with 128 MB RAM. Opening konqueror after the first time is significantly faster (normally around 2 seconds). However even this FEELS much slower then opening a window in Win98 (which seems to happen instantly after the first time). Once konqueror is loaded it seems fairly responsive. I'm running RedHat 7.1 with a new kernel (2.4.4). I've turned off a lot of daemons (cron, at, sendmail, gdm, ect) to speed boot time. DMA transfers are enabled (I get close to 30 MB/s transfer rate). Maybe there should be an option to keep parts of konqueror loaded in memory (for people with lots of RAM)? Rimmer PS - Would compiling the KDE stuff affect speed significantly?

Re: Would compiling the KDE stuff affect speed ? - thilor - 2001-06-06

> Would compiling the KDE stuff affect speed significantly? Depend if your distribution do a good job or not. With suse (here) I don't see significant change between i386 RPM and compiling source$ on my PIII 700MHz. (sure they do some tuning in RPM) The only thing witch affect speed is compiling QT. This is easy to do and I can see the change. Difficult to quantify but around 10 or 15 % regards.

Forget to say ... - thilor - 2001-06-06

To build QT use the command : ./configure -sm -gif -system-libpng -system-jpeg -no-g++-exceptions

Re: KDE 2.2alpha2 is Out! - Filipe - 2001-06-01

Hi Guys, Do you still have any time to sleep after all? Question: When can we expect to find the new printing architecture on KDE ? This would be one of the most important enhancements IMHO. Thank you Filipe

Re: KDE 2.2alpha2 is Out! - Daniel Molkentin - 2001-06-01

>When can we expect to find the new printing architecture on KDE ? It will be part of KDE 2.2 and is therefore also included in this alpha release.

Re: KDE 2.2alpha2 is Out! - Jeepster_UK - 2001-06-07

I`ve installed kde2.2alpha2 within syuse 6.4 via the available rpm`s, now I find I cannot print from some kde apps, noticably Kmail and knode and a few others. Kde Control centre is asking for kdeprintd which I cannot locate anywhere. Anyone any clues to its whereabouts? Or is it a bug...

where's kdeprintd? [was: Re: KDE 2.2alpha2 is Out] - Ben - 2001-06-07

Same thing with me. When I try and print to a printer from kmail or konqueror I get the following error: Unable to start child print process. The KDE print server (kdeprintd) could not be contacted. Check that this server is running. When I print to a postscript file and then print that from commandline with lpr it works fine. I'm using RedHat 7.1 RPMs (with updated pcre, openssl, readline et c.) with these kde packages. kdesupport-devel-2.2-0.alpha2.1 kdeadmin-2.2-0.alpha2.1 kdelibs-sound-devel-2.2-0.alpha2.2 kdeaddons-noatun-2.2-0.alpha2.1 kdesdk-2.2-0.alpha2.1 kdebindings-devel-2.2-0.alpha2.1 kdesupport-2.2-0.alpha2.1 kdelibs-2.2-0.alpha2.2 kdegraphics-2.2-0.alpha2.1 kdelibs-devel-2.2-0.alpha2.2 kdebindings-2.2-0.alpha2.1 kdenetwork-ppp-2.2-0.alpha2.1 kdelibs-sound-2.2-0.alpha2.2 kdebase-2.2-0.alpha2.2 kdenetwork-2.2-0.alpha2.1 kdegames-2.2-0.alpha2.1 kdeutils-2.2-0.alpha2.1 kdeartwork-2.2-0.alpha2.1 kdeaddons-kate-2.2-0.alpha2.1 kdeaddons-konqueror-2.2-0.alpha2.1 kdevelop-2.2-0.alpha2.1 kdesdk-devel-2.2-0.alpha2.1 kdepim-2.2-0.alpha2.1 kdebindings-kmozilla-2.2-0.alpha2.1 kdemultimedia-2.2-0.alpha2.2 kdetoys-2.2-0.alpha2.1 kdebindings-perl-2.2-0.alpha2.1 kdeaddons-kicker-2.2-0.alpha2.1 Ben

Re: where's kdeprintd? [was: Re: KDE 2.2alpha2 is Out] - A Sad Person - 2001-06-08

kdeprintd is a library loaded through kded (the KDE Daemon)... Dunno under what conditions it is loaded.. Try running kded explicitly, I guess..

running kded fixes the problem - Daniel Lemire - 2003-10-24

I have exactly the same issue with a more recent KDE. kdeprintd is out to lunch... running kded is all you need to bring it back. Strange.

Re: running kded fixes the problem - Bill Kendrick - 2005-12-12

2 years later... ;) Thanks for the tip. Just helped me a bunch!

Re: where's kdeprintd? [was: Re: KDE 2.2alpha2 is - Aleksey V Lazar - 2007-10-08

Two more years later... running kded did it. Why is this problem still lingering? What is this Windows? Anyway, thanks.

Re: where's kdeprintd? [was: Re: KDE 2.2alpha2 is - Jay Armstrong - 2008-04-29

Thanks for the tip. Running kded as a regular user got me printing again. Thankfully didn't have to reboot :) Seven years of this error, I'm guessing it's either neglected or intended to catch miscellaneous errors. What would be nice is if the error window offered to restart kded, linked to information about how to restart kdeprintd, or anything else that would be helpful for end users who don't know anything about the KDE subsystem.

Re: where's kdeprintd? [was: Re: KDE 2.2alpha2 is Out] - Leo - 2008-09-26

I'm glad this topic is here... Thanks. I'm sure a few months, or years from now, someone will add a link to this topic in the error message.

Re: KDE 2.2alpha2 is Out! - Bernd - 2001-06-01

I hope the the audiocd:/ioslave check for the encoding ogg and mp3 libraries at runtime and not at compile time. I think distributors can't add the libmp3 to their distribution. So it would be nice if I can _only_ compile libmp3 and the audiocd:/ioslave from the distribution rpm works with mp3 encoding.

Re: KDE 2.2alpha2 is Out! - Justin - 2001-06-01

I think there is a desire among the developers to check for external libraries at runtime when possible. I don't know if they have done it with libmp3, but they have with libssl. I guess it really depends on how easy the task is. Using dlopen() on LessTif libs at runtime would be nice, but I don't see it happening. libmp3 sounds more plausable. -Justin

Mandrake 7.2? - Thomas Olsen - 2001-06-01

Has anyone made rpm's for Mandrake 7.2? I don't really have the time to upgrade OS but I would love to try alpha2.

Re: Mandrake 7.2? - Bojan - 2001-06-01

It was said about the last alpha that this release is for people that like to be on the edge of technological improvements and if you are that kind of guy, then you would have the latest version of your OS too. :-( I believe this is the case with this alpha too.

Re: Mandrake 7.2? - Thomas Olsen - 2001-06-01

> It was said about the last alpha that this > release is for people that like to be on the > edge of technological improvements and if you > are that kind of guy, then you would have the > latest version of your OS too. :-( > I believe this is the case with this alpha too. Well, I must admit there is some sense in that. Actually I'm eagerly awaiting for Suse 7.2 to arrive in my snailmailbox. I have mdk8.0 at work and realized that I prefer 7.2 to 8.0. The "User friendly" Mandrake desktop which is screwing up my menus and stuff is more and more getting to be a pain in a body part close to my chair. But I dont wanna start a distro war ;-)

Re: Mandrake 7.2? - Craig - 2001-06-01

I'm a huge mandrake fan but that Menu crap annoys me too. I'm wondering when corel will jump back into the distro arena? They had a good debian-- kde based distro. Craig

Re: Mandrake 7.2? - Eric Laffoon - 2001-06-02

There are two options... 1) Build KDE in another directory and add it to your kdm menu... 2) delete the menu stuff! I did both. ;-) The menu stuff is in /etc/menu something (been a while) and also the executable is /usr/bin/menu-methods if I recall. You still need to get a copy of the menu editor to have a real KDE desktop again. I used to have all the stuff for this on line but it's out of date. I know one other person kept up the menu stuff for a while on his page. I have been one of the people yelling at Mandrake to at least make the menus optional. If you use many desktops they are handy (but not what they are billed as because they are still different). If you want to get anything done though you will probably just run KDE and get your work done. ;-)

Re: Mandrake 7.2? - David Faure - 2001-06-02

> at least make the menus optional They are optional, in 8.0. Just launch menudrake, and "Disable Mandrake customizations". There you go. Plain KDE menus.

OT: Mandrake menus - Anders - 2001-06-02

which is of cause really nice, but I think the main complain about the mandrake menus is that editing them is a pain in the ... and still dosen't really work. Each time you compile a program (and decide to keep it) you have to fight that thing (i don't know what else to call it) and still it does no work. Weird entries sneaks in that are not accessible in the thing, and all one can do is delete all files in ~ related to mandrake menus, but then of cause the modifications are lost. A shame, since besides the obvious inability of mandrake to create GUI apps and the scary lack of documentation, the idear of a global menu as well of th structure it self are actually nice...

For a Universal Linux Menus Management - Alain - 2001-06-02

Anders says : > I think the main complain about the mandrake menus is that editing them is a pain in the ... and still dosen't really work. For me it works. But, yes, it is a pain... And it is a similar pain with the KDE editor... Comparing the KDE desktop and the Windows one, I think that the biggest weakness for KDE, is the menu editor. It is a pain to have such a programm (you have to call it, find the good directory, the good icon, modify/delete/add, save (it's long...), close, and go again in the menus to verify...). On windows you don't have such a "menu editor" You only have to to do right click, "Properties" to modify, "Delete" to delete", or "open" for adding a shortcut. It's very cool. I hope that the QT team will someday do such a thing (but does Qt allows it ?) ======== About Mandrake menus, they exist for two good reasons, I think : - merge the KDE, Gnome and others programs... - allow an automatic update from drk.rpm But good reasons have bad secondary effects. The first one, for us, is that the KDE users don't recognize the KDE programs. And they have to manage the menus with a Gtk program... However, the two reasons are good. Isn't it possible that the KDE and Gnome teams work together to find solutions ? (with Mandrake ? and other distros ?) For instance by defining a common hierarchy with 3 main sets (1 KDE, 1 Gnome, 1 others), so that : - the user choose (or not) a priority for one set (ex: KDE, the other sets go in a "Non KDE applications") - each node is recognized by a key item so that package installations may update the menu at the good place I feel that the management of the start menu is a big difficulty for the user, chiefly if he choose a new distribution (how to keep his menus ?). Mandrake, alone, tries a solution. But it needs the participation of the Gnome and KDE team... I hope something as a "Universal Linux Menus Management" !! Ulmmmm...

Re: For a Universal Linux Menus Management - David Faure - 2001-06-02

Yes, there is some work going on between KDE and Gnome developers, to merge and harmonize the menu structure.

Re: For a Universal Linux Menus Management - Alain - 2001-06-03

Yep, good news ! I hope it is ambitious and will give a good foundation for a long time... I also hope that all the distributions will work on this common basis.

Re: KDE 2.2alpha2 is Out! - Underground - 2001-06-01

Why not fork Red Carpet to KDE that would be cool

Red Karpet - Navindra Umanee - 2001-06-01

Yes it would, but remember there are expensive server resources involved. Even Ximian can't keep up anymore with the software updates: I hear people complaining all the time about how useless Red Carpet has become because of that. I suppose things may change when there's a stable release, nonetheless a LOT of work is involved on the server end; those KDE-oriented channels won't happen by magic. On the bright side, I hear people may be porting the Ximian Setup Tools to KDE. Hey Kent, I can't access any of your screenshots on Geocities. :(

Re: Red Karpet - Underground - 2001-06-01

Here are the link to the schreen shots http://www.geocities.com/newyen/tcpip.png http://www.geocities.com/newyen/summary.png http://www.geocities.com/newyen/msn.png http://www.geocities.com/newyen/route.png

Re: Red Karpet - isNaN - 2001-06-01

That looks great! When are Ximian Setup tools set to be ready? When will the KDE version be ready? Do they share the codebase?

Re: Red Karpet - Kent Nguyen - 2001-06-01

Ask Ximian when their Ximian Setup tools will be ready. The KDE version will be available when it's available. :) Hopefully by end of June, if I'm not lazy. The backend is shared. http://www.geocities.com/newyen/ksysconfig2.png --kent Attached is the file as well.

Re: Red Karpet - Federico Cozzi - 2001-06-04

From your drawing, I can see an XML layer. I guess it's needed to convert the various config files to a sane syntax... Now, wouldn't it be better if Linux supported XML config files out of the box, a la MacOS X? Just imagine, every /etc/ file written in XML... much easier to edit! No more "man fstab" to learn the syntax of every config file...

Re: Red Karpet - dc - 2001-06-01

Red Carpet is still useful. They just don't update as fast as software is released.

Re: KDE 2.2alpha2 is Out! - dc - 2001-06-01

Or just port it to KDE/QT and send it to the setup-tools mailing list. They might just accept it and move it to their CVS.

Konqueror? And more... - Marcelo - 2001-06-01

I've tried 2.2 alpha a little (just the necessary to download 2.1.2 again), and Konqueror seems to be really broken... I know, I know, it's *alpha*, but Javascript in 2.2 alpha is really broken. Someone talked about loading times... well, generally here things are fast (2.1.2 + SuSE 7), but I noticed a little slow down with 2.2 alpha... maybe, again, it's the "alpha" part. :-) Some neat things tho. I tried some new settings in the control panel (like fade-in menus and such), and now that I'm back to 2.1.2, those settings still work. :-)

Re: Konqueror? And more... - Jason Byrne - 2001-06-02

imho... alpha1 is the best of both worlds right now - I noticed specific fixes/improvements with Konqueror compared to 2.1.1 - but alpha2 gives Konqueror a set of crutches for things I was already enjoying with alpha1. (hopefully the Konqueror problems get sorted out ASAP - I've already reverted to alpha1 again ;-)

Re: KDE 2.2alpha2 is Out! - Anonymous Coward - 2001-06-01

Er, didn't the original KDE2.2 schedule call for a beta 1 release around this time? Or did the KDE team change the release schedule, adding a second alpha release before beta 1? Does this mean we will have to wait until (end of) august 2001 before we get 2.2, instead of the original mid-to-end of july? I'm wondering if this means we can kiss the Qt 3.0-based KDE 2.3 (or 2.whatever) goodbye for this year... Well, anyway, release it when it's ready not before.

Yes, KDE-2.2 BETA 1 was planned. - Moritz Moeller-Herrmann - 2001-06-02

But since beta means feature complete, bug fixing only and some coders/features didn't arrive in time and to emphasize the improtance the KDE team puts on high quality beta1 was renamed to alpha2. Here is the release plan: http://developer.kde.org/development-versions/kde-2.2-release-plan.html

Re: KDE 2.2alpha2 is Out! - Waldo Bastian - 2001-06-02

As of now, we have renamed the first beta -> alpha since the code quality has not reached the desired level yet. Depending on 2.2beta1 we will decide whether to follow up with 2.2final or whether to add another beta. We have good stable releases out there so there is little time-pressure on this release. A Qt 3.0 based release will mostly depend on the availability of Qt 3.0 and gcc 3.0. Once those are available we expect to be able to deliver KDE 3.0 fairly quick. We haven't planned major changes for KDE 3.0 in KDE itself. With KDE/Qt/gcc 3.0 we will finally be able to deliver a stable binary compatible platform for some time to come. Cheers, Waldo

Re: KDE 2.2alpha2 is Out! - A.C. - 2001-06-02

You'll have to excuse my ignorance, but why do you have to wait for GCC 3.0 to create a Qt 3.0-based KDE release? Couldn't you use GCC 2.9x? Or does GCC 3.0 bring something to the table that you just can't ignore? Inquiring minds want to know...

Re: KDE 2.2alpha2 is Out! - Navindra Umanee - 2001-06-02

GCC 3.0 will break C++ binary compatibility. Instead of breaking binary compatibility twice: one with the switch to Qt 3.0, and the other with the switch to GCC 3.0, might as well wait for them both to be available and then hope for stable KDE binary interfaces that will endure for at least a year...

Re: KDE 2.2alpha2 is Out! - nap - 2001-06-02

Not to sound like a pessimist, but this juggling can f*ck up majorly. KDE2 has already 2 different binary interfaces (MDK8 & RH7.x using gcc2.96 vs. the rest using gcc2.95). What can happen is that some distros jump to gcc3.0 using KDE/Qt 2.x. Others provide KDE/Qt 3.0 packages for their gcc2.9x based distros. Then as both upgrade their gcc or KDE versions, voila, we have (worst case scenario) 6 different binary-incompatible KDE-packages (based on KDE2 technology) on people's machines! This is definitely not something 3rd party KDE-compatible software producers want to target. Hope there will be careful coordination between distros and KDE developers concerning this. It certainly needs to be much better than it has been in the past (as we have already 2 binary incompatible KDE2-distributions around..)

Re: KDE 2.2alpha2 is Out! - Øystein Heskestad - 2001-06-03

KDE will have to change to gcc3.0 and qt3.0 eventually. There is nothing stopping the distros from making even more incompatible versions of KDE. The distros can also keep using gcc2.95 if they like, but they can not make a gcc3.0 based KDE before gcc3.0 is out. The options for the KDE team are: 1) Release a qt3.0 based KDE before gcc3.0 is out. Result: THEY will cause two incompatibilies. 2) Do as planned. Result: The distibutions can decide when to use gcc3.0.

Re: KDE 2.2alpha2 is Out! - nap - 2001-06-03

Well, releasing KDE3 before gcc3 is done can't really happen, as gcc3 is planned to be out in this June. One thing KDE could do is demand that distros using gcc only distribute KDE3-packages compiled with gcc3.x, and "officially condemn" those who act against that (for example, by releasing the new packages to older 2.9x-based distributions using the old compiler). That would assure that at least KDE3 is binary compatible across Linux distributions.

Re: KDE 2.2alpha2 is Out! - Øystein Heskestad - 2001-06-03

Linus "officially condemn"ed Red Hat for using gcc 2.96. That didn't make Red Hat revert to 2.95. Mandrake tries to be compatible with Red Hat no matter what stupid things Red Hat does. If a major distribution release a new x.0 between when gcc 3.0 is released and KDE goes Qt 3.0, you can bet they are gonna use gcc 3.0, cause they wanna have all the newest stuff, they even include betas and cvs snapshots. I used to work with sales people. They did things that made the company lose money, cause they got their commission anyway. Distributions sometimes gives me the same feeling ;) PS! Gcc 3.0 based KDE will still be called KDE 2.x.

GCC 3.0 still won't compile a kernel for me ... - zoneur fou - 2001-06-11

... not saying I haven't done something wrong here but this is linux 2.4.5 and latest gcc-3.0 pre-release Don't get me started on the idea of compiling stuff on FreeBSD with gcc3.0 hahaha HAHAHAH

Re: KDE 2.2alpha2 is Out! - A.C. - 2001-06-02

Ouch. I was not aware of this. I wonder why (again, excuse my ignorance here) gcc 3.0 does that: does it produce (executable) code that is significantly smaller, what? Anyway, if we have to wait for the new gcc, how close is it to actual release? Are we in alpha territory, late beta, ??? Thanks.

Very close! - Erik - 2001-06-02

"The release will be made on or before 11:59PM GMT -8 (Pacific Daylight Time) June 15th, 2001 A.D. Because otherwise I will commit suicide at 12:00 AM on June 16th, and you will all feel very, very bad." (from http://news.linuxprogramming.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2001-05-15-001-06-LT)

Re: KDE 2.2alpha2 is Out! - AbuSulaiman - 2001-06-02

Compiled kdelibs with no problems, kdebase, however Entering directory `/home/asr/kdebase-2.2alpha2/libkonq/favicons' /bin/sh ../../libtool --mode=link --tag=CXX g++ -O2 -fno-exceptions -fno-check-new -DQT_CLEAN_NAMESPACE -DQT_NO_COMPAT -DQT_NO_ASCII_CAST -o libkded_favicons.la -rpath /u1/kde/lib/kde2 -L/usr/X11R6/lib -L/u1/kde/lib -module -avoid-version favicons.lo favicons_skel.lo libkded_favicons_la_meta_unload.lo -lksycoca grep: /usr/local/kde/lib/libDCOP.la: No such file or directory sed: can't read /usr/local/kde/lib/libDCOP.la: No such file or directory libtool: link: `/usr/local/kde/lib/libDCOP.la' is not a valid libtool archive make[3]: *** [libkded_favicons.la] Error 1 make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/asr/kdebase-2.2alpha2/libkonq/favicons' make[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/asr/kdebase-2.2alpha2/libkonq' make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/asr/kdebase-2.2alpha2' make: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2 I have KDEDIR set to /u1/kde, I wonder why it keeps looking for libraries under /usr/local/kde?? Any hints?

Re: KDE 2.2alpha2 is Out! - KDE User - 2001-06-02

Did you "./configure --prefix=/u1/kde"?

Re: KDE 2.2alpha2 is Out! - Arnd Bergmann - 2001-06-02

maybe you forgot to set prefix as well: ./configure --prefix=/u1/kde Generally, you should try to use standard locations, like /usr/local or /opt/kde for your prefix.

Re: KDE 2.2alpha2 is Out! - AbuSulaiman - 2001-06-02

Funny, the moment I changed the prefix from /u1/kde to /usr/local/kde worked fine. Thanks for the pointer.

redhat 7.1 release for x86 - Henry Story - 2001-06-02

I tried installing it and found that I needed the following libs: pcre-3.4-2 pcre-devel-3.4-2. readline-4.1-7 each one of which I had to search for on rpmfind.net. Furthermore some of these had not yet been compiled for RedHat yet. So I had to download them for the Polish distribution... Am I missing something? Would it have been easier to compiler from source? Henry

Re: redhat 7.1 release for x86 - Evandro - 2001-06-02

you can find all of these libraries from the redhat linux development snapshot versio, called rawhide. ftp://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/rawhide/i386/RedHat/RPMS/

Re: redhat 7.1 release for x86 - Henry Story - 2001-06-03

Thanks, I got it installed. It seems to work fine. I have not found any nfs problems yet. This new version is great. Finally I can use kmail, now that it has IMAP functionality! So I won't need Star Office as often, which will save me a lot of RAM. Konqueror loads a lot faster now too... Thanks again, Hemnr

Re: redhat 7.1 release for x86 - ne... - 2001-06-02

I noticed the same on my RH7.1 machine. Rawhide has some of these rpms but they break other things. I have never tried the PLD dist, so I cannot comment on it. On a happy note, 2.2Alpha2 on RH6.2 (compiled) is spiffy.

Re: KDE 2.2alpha2 is Out! - Anders - 2001-06-02

Installed the Mandrake rpms, and so far things looks good. Issues: 1)A website that I use a lot wont work, it is javascript driven and this may have to do with the HTML rendering issues. It has a form that is filled out, and the "send" button is a link to the url "javascript: if(function() && function()) function()" which is repeated twice. This button has to be pressed at least two times. Can it be that KHTML decides that I'm allready there? URL: www.rejseplanen.dk 2) I had the xmms-kde applet installed from rpm for mdk 8 and tried to activate it again after upgrading, which added an empty applet to kicker. This thing couldn't be removed, so I had to manually remove it from kickerrc, and before this to take effect I had to kill kicker and reboot!!! 3) KDM wont work , or at least init 5 fails. I do not know (yet?) if this is the mandrake script or kdm, but I reset my init to 3 and have to manually startx. 4) I added a konsol schema, but it does not appear when I start konsole as a normal user:(( (cool feature though) Anyway, apart from theese I love it! -anders

Re: KDE 2.2alpha2 is Out! - typical75 - 2001-06-02

I am having the same problem with KDM using Mandrake 8.0. I haven't tried to fix it yet though. If anyone figures anything out, please post a solution.

Re: KDE 2.2alpha2 is Out! - Darrell Esau - 2001-06-02

I found that before installing 2.2a2 on RedHat 7.1 I had to upgrade a few libraries, including readline, openssl and crypto. After this, a few apps that required libreadline4.1 wouldn't work... symlinking 4.1 to 4.2 works for some (ftp, telnet), but I still can't get nfs to mount stuff... any word on what the final build will require? -d

Re: KDE 2.2alpha2 is Out! - Evandro - 2001-06-02

you can find a readline41 package from ftp://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/rawhide/i386/RedHat/RPMS.

KOffice doesn't work - NÉMETH Balázs - 2001-06-02

Hi! I want try Koffice 1.1 beta2, but I always get this error message on application start: WARNING: found no definition of PluralForm koffice (lib kofficecore): WARNING: kword.desktop: no X-KDE-NativeMimeType entry! koffice (lib kofficecore): ERROR: Couldn't find the native MimeType in kword's desktop file. Check your installation ! And after that, the startup process fail... It's a clear installation on Mandrake 8.0. RPMs was downloaded from the original kde2.2alpha2 ftp site. Can anyone help me? Thanx. PS: but alpha2 is a great release, I love it! Konqueror is amazing, wonderful, awesome....

Re: KOffice doesn't work - Fred - 2001-06-02

I had a similar problem when I first installed KOffice under KDE2.1.2 From reading bug reports, others have too, so the problem seems to be a regular (if intermittent) one. For some reason, the System Configuration Cache (SyCoCa) doesn't seem to like some KOffice configuration files (I don't know if it applies to other conf files as well). You can try running 'kbuildsycoca' from the command line (it's in $KDEDIR/bin). This will manually rebuild sycoca. If that doesn't make your KOffice apps work, edit and save the appropriate config files so that they get new dates (don't actually change anything). This should make sycoca reparse the files. If you're not comfortable with editing files, just type these 2 lines at the command line: cp xyz.desktop xyz.desktop.save cp xyz.desktop.save xyz.desktop This will simply make a copy of the appropriate config file and then copy it back to the original name (giving it a new time stamp). Obviously replace 'xyz' with the appropriate name, e.g. kword.desktop for kword. Hope this helps :-) (Still wondering why it happens at all though!)

Re: KOffice doesn't work - Corba the Geek - 2001-06-03

touch xyz.desktop

Re: KOffice doesn't work - Noah Eltzroth - 2006-10-19

I use gentoo and I had this problem. I deleted /usr/kde/3.5/share/applications/kde/kivio.desktop and then kivio started working.

KHelpcenter - is it supposed to work? - Anders - 2001-06-02

Hi, I'm a strange person that actually sometimes does read the manuals, so finding that clicking any entry in the kde helpcenter menu would just answer The requested help file could not be parsed: /usr/share/doc/HTML/en//khelpcenter/quickstart/index.docbook was a dissapointment:( Is this a mandrake specific bug, and is there anything I can do to make it work?

Re: KHelpcenter - is it supposed to work? - Jason Byrne - 2001-06-02

actually... the help system depends on some of the 'docbook' related stuff on the kde ftp site. it *would* be really nice if the kdesupport/kdelibs/kdebase incorporated some of the 'missing' components to make sure that the helpcenter *worked* on a basic install. Of course some of the docbook/sgml/etc.., etc... gurus might argue differently - but I'm sure other users would agree ;-0

Re: KDE 2.2alpha2 is Out! - Per Wigren - 2001-06-02

This is great work! I just tried Kdict and it's REALLY cool! I also enjoy the new Kmail-features! (I still miss account-specific mailfilters though...) Useragent settings in Konqueror finally works so now I can FINALLY use my online-banking (foreningssparbanken.se) with Konqueror!!! Using home.se's webmail still doesn't work though... (wwwmail.home.se) :( It immideatly says "You've been logged out because of inactivity, click here to login again", but when I do I get the same message... Anyway, khtml seems a LOT more immune to buggy html/javascript than in 2.1.2! Great work guys and gals! I can't wait for a stable 2.2 release! Note: I use CVS from the 31st...

I've been using foreningssparbanken.se long times! - Erik - 2001-06-02

I have been using foreningssparbanken.se with Konqueror for long times. It worked with 2.1.1 and I think some versions before that too (I don't remember exactly).

Re: I've been using foreningssparbanken.se long times! - Per Wigren - 2001-06-03

Huh? It has never worked for me before because konqueror always refused to save the useragent settings... "This brower is not supported! You net Netscape 4 or Internet Explorer 4 or better".. ;-p

Re: I've been using foreningssparbanken.se long times! - Tackat - 2001-06-03

I guess you have been using KDE 2.1 before. KDE 2.1.1 saved useragents properly. Greetings, Tackat

Any luck with SEB? was: KDE 2.2alpha2 is Out! - Niklas Lönnbro - 2001-06-03

Did somebody try Konqueror with www.seb.se? SEB will only allow people using Netscape 4.x or MSIE 4.x to do their online banking (regardless of supported protocols or standards for the browser used). Mozilla 5, Netscape 6, Opera 5 or Konqueror haven't worked for me. Checking webmail on webmail.tele2.se with Konqueror 2.1.1 works fine but when sending mail the window doesn't change after clicking the "send" button (but the mail is actually sent).

Re: Any luck with SEB? was: KDE 2.2alpha2 is Out! - Erik - 2001-06-04

Yes I have tried SEB with Konqueror 2.1.1 and it failed. Changing user agent did not help, Konqueror choked on some javascript. Netscape 4.7x worked.

Re: KDE 2.2alpha2 is Out! - Craig - 2001-06-02

I have a scanner that works great with sane but when i click on the scan image option in koffice i get the error No scan service available. i'm useing the mandrake 8.0 rpms. Do I need to reconile any source rpms to get the scan service to work? Craig

Re: KDE 2.2alpha2 is Out! - Bastian - 2001-06-02

Hello, i´ve just installed kde2.2alpha2 on my SuSE7.0. And i have a problem: licq dont work. it is missing the file : libkfile.so.3. But this file is in /opt/kde2/lib. I tried to compile it again, but this didnt solve it. Does anyone know this prob or better, does anyone know an solution? Under kde2.1.1 it works fine. Or do i need to install alpha1 an the kdelibs2.1.2 before the alpha 2? bastian

Re: KDE 2.2alpha2 is Out! - ViRgiLiO - 2001-06-02

How I can disable animated cursors? Looks greats, but makes slower my desktop

Re: KDE 2.2alpha2 is Out! - AC - 2001-06-02

Looks great? Humm i have a fast system and it's lagging and is very anoying. i can't run kdesktop anymore. well i can but it sucks. how do i turn it off. it's like the paper clip in office in the way. And if you watch a movie it stays on the screen till it timeouts. How do i turn it off?

Paper clip still here, hmm...[KDE 2.2alpha2] - Alain - 2001-06-03

> it's like the paper clip in office in the way > How do i turn it off? Yes how never see the paper clip in the kicker bar ? (I am a little tired to close this program each time I open KDE...)

Re: KDE 2.2alpha2 is Out! - thilor - 2001-06-02

Hi, Control Center->Look and Feel->Launch Feedback

Re: KDE 2.2alpha2 is Out! - ViRgiLiO - 2001-06-03

Where is that option? I can't see in my kcontrol.

Re: KDE 2.2alpha2 is Out! - Evandro - 2001-06-04

it's in kde cvs post 2.2alpha2. i think you can't disable it in this alpha release.

Re: KDE 2.2alpha2 is Out! - NÉMETH Balázs - 2001-06-04

Why can't we stop animations just press ESC, like in Netscape/Mozilla?...... I hate to click right mouse button and choose "Stop Animations" from PopUp menu always, when I open a new Konqueror window. Is there an option in the "Preferences" to AUTOMATICALLY stop all the animations/sounds, or is it impossible? If impossible, can we expect this VERY IMPORTANT feature in the near future? (For example: if I open 4-5 Konqueror windows -- animated gifs in each window --, my Celeron 433 Mhz processor is overloaded.)

Re: KDE 2.2alpha2 is Out! - Jim Paquette - 2001-06-05

Does anyone use konqueror with the games at www.pogo.com?

Re: KDE 2.2alpha2 is Out! - Milan Svoboda - 2001-06-06

How about Flash plugin in Konqueror? It don't work whith KDE 2.1.1 Does anybody use this plugin?

Re: KDE 2.2alpha2 is Out! - vk - 2001-06-07

The flash plugin works in konqueror. Have you installed flash plugin in netscape ?

Re: KDE 2.2alpha2 is Out! - Milan Svoboda - 2001-06-07

I've tried netscape with flash plugin and it work good(sometime :-). Konqueror can play flash file if it's only what is doing. For example some clip or game it can play. But when is that clip in web page, or in web page with more flash content konqueror doesn't display them. Some times crash or freeze. Try this page with konqueror: www.flashfun.cz for example. there are many flash clips. I bet you konqueror crash. I'm using newest flash plugin (5.x or something) wich is availible for download.

Re: KDE 2.2alpha2 is Out! - vk - 2001-06-08

Ahh.. I am sorry to disappoint you! Konqueror played that flash page as good as (...........)! Wait, I wanted to write netscape in (...) but when I open the url in netscape, once it crashed! then in second try it demands for flashplayer plugin inspite of flash plugin installed! i checked that. Perhaps I or you live in an inverted world. -:) BTW, I have flash4 plugin and I have also installed mozilla's plugins.This might be a clue.