AUG
25
2001

KC KDE Issue #20

Aaron J. Seigo is back with
another issue of Kernel Cousin
KDE
, Issue #20 for Aug. 10. Due to Zack's vacation, the issue
is temporarily being hosted
here. Check it
out for stories on continuing efforts to improve
Konqueror's support for EMCAScript (JavaScript),
security issues when using webform completion, efforts to create SCP and
SFTP KIOSlaves, and much more.

Comments

I've just apt-get install'ed netscape (4.77, comes only from Debian Woody, not Sid ?!), copied the 2 files for Flash into the plugin directory, launched Konq, checked to see if the Flash plugin was scanned/installed (yes), hit www.real.com...

and got quite a few windows saying please download flash player, yada yada yada... (only once should suffice, why 3, 4 times?). Then hit www.macromedia.com and got more or less the same result (except many more windows).

I don't get it. It should work, but it doesn't. Like defining a "remote" lpd printer under kde 2.2. Now I'm starting to wonder if I did not hose something with my Debian instance.

Anyone has any suggestion about this? Thanks.


By bruno majewski at Mon, 2001/08/27 - 5:00am

You don't need to copy the plug-ins anywhere.

The Netscape package will install the two files needed to the netscape dir in /usr/lib. I'm not sure what's the location in the Debian packages, but it's something like /usr/lib/netscape/plugin. Make sure what the directory is and that it's in the list of scanned netscape plugins directories.

After that's done run the nspluginscan command.


By Evandro at Mon, 2001/08/27 - 5:00am

I did exactly these steps, but on my Debian 3.0 it also dows not work.
I have the same result as Bruno Majewski: Konq opens 3 - 4 windows with macromedia's download page as URL.
I checked Konq's "Netscape Plugins" over and over again.
After scanning, the list of found plugins does contain libflashplayer.so
So what can be wrong ?


By Markus Naeher at Sun, 2003/03/02 - 6:00am

estudio works normaly for me.

real.com works also but you have to change your browser identification.

I agree that the installation of plugins is poorly documented though.. I had quite a hard time making it work "correctly".

The real player is a POS though: its memory usage keeps growing and growing until it dies.. :-(


By renox at Sun, 2001/08/26 - 5:00am

Well, I've *just* tried to listen to a sample from this recent Bela Fleck album on www.towerrecords.com and it was very painfull to get just Real Audio to install/work.

Simple solution: use

http://www.cdnow.com

instead. They have Real Audio, Windows Media, and MP2 previews of most of the albums they sell -- MP2 being the one you want here.


By Jon at Sun, 2001/08/26 - 5:00am

(Sorry for shouting)

I'm now noticing I cannot get the Real player to work independantly (select it from the KDE menus) as root. After getting an error that the normal user (me, when I'm not logging in as root) using Noatun could not get the sound server to initialize, I'm starting to wonder if the bulk of my problems might not be perm-related. Before I waste to much time (I should go back to finish my damn CCNA book, I'm on the last chapter, damnit!), could someone confirm this?

Then it might explain the Flash problem (which works fine under NetScape, but not with Konq) and the remote printer problem I"ve been having...

Cheers.


By bruno majewski at Mon, 2001/08/27 - 5:00am

http://www.linuxports.com/entry.lxp?lxpe=106

good points raised (but sigh people need to file BUG reports not rant on one of the 2000 webblogs devoted to Linux ;-D ) and some good Q's


By Rosie Palm at Sat, 2001/08/25 - 5:00am

> efforts to create SCP and SFTP KIOSlaves

Man, this is great! I've been waiting for that feature for so long! Soon we'll have an easy, secure and _comfortable_ way to transfer files among unix machines!

Thank you very much! KDE is wonderful!


By Anonymous at Sun, 2001/08/26 - 5:00am

Whatever happened to ActiveX support in Konqi, ReaKtivate i think it was called?


By Carbon at Sun, 2001/08/26 - 5:00am

it is still being worked on in the kdenonbeta CVS module AFAIK.


By Aaron J. Seigo at Sun, 2001/08/26 - 5:00am

I have converted the PC that my wife and kids use from Win98 to KDE. I've got it so that it boots right into KDE and they don't have to login at KDM.

How do I make it so they can shutdown, instead of logout, from KDE. If they logout, they end up back at KDM which is what I'm trying to avoid. I want them to be able to shutdown (or reboot) from KDE, not KDM.

BTW.. KDE is great.. thanks for all the hard work.


By Dorkus at Sun, 2001/08/26 - 5:00am

>I've got it so that it boots right into KDE and they don't have to login at KDM.

Well, first of all, why do you do that? That way your family members don't get to each have their own special separate backgrounds, screensavers, themes, e-mail, etc. Just because its the way Win98 works doesn't mean its the best way (look at WinXP and its login system). If you want easy login, just set KDM to show icons for each user and leave their passwords blank. You'll be glad when your kids stop fighting about whether or not to have N*Sync wallpaper :-)

>How do I make it so they can shutdown, instead of logout, from KDE.

This is still a valid question, though. KDE doesn't have any builtin support for this, but it shouldn't be hard to add a button to the panel to do it. Most distros use the "shutdown now" command to shut down (I think?), so you should add a button to the panel that runs this command (or whatever your distro uses). Make sure the users have adequate permissions though.


By not me at Sun, 2001/08/26 - 5:00am

Hmm, I believe that GNOME has had this feature for a while. Perhaps someone could take a look at the GNOME code that does this, and reimplement it?


By Carbon at Sun, 2001/08/26 - 5:00am

Well, there's a "no new features" mandate for KDE 2.2.1, so it won't be included there. You'll have to wait for 3.0 for any new features. It won't be that long of a wait though :-)


By not me at Mon, 2001/08/27 - 5:00am

>Well, first of all, why do you do that?
Baby steps... I am trying to move these folks from Windows to Linux. They have no concept right now of multiple users.

Once they are used to operating in KDE I'll look to introduce separate logins to them.

The kids are the easy ones, they have no fear of learning something new. My wife however...

I'll see if I can put a button on the kde taskbar with a shutdown script behind it.


By Dorkus at Mon, 2001/08/27 - 5:00am

>I am trying to move these folks from Windows to Linux. They have no concept right now of multiple users.

What's to learn? The computer works the same way, you just have to click your name at the beginning (and you get your own files/preferences, but if you don't tell them that they probably won't even notice for several days or even weeks). The only thing you have to know is that you logout when you are done. I don't see it causing any problems. I think its better to change everything now and let them get used to it, rather than changing how it works after they're already comfortable.

That's just IMHO, of course. Apply salt grains as desired :-)

Also, I just remembered the session management. I don't think KDE's session management will work if you run "shutdown now." Apps won't restore their positions on the next startup and they won't ask if you want to save your work before shutting down (possibly resulting in lost work :-()

To get around this you might try a shell script that logs out of KDE using DCOP and _then_ executes "shutdown now." This might cause annoying screen flashing as KDM comes up and is immediately killed by the shutdown script though. Also, I'm not sure how the shell script would be able to tell when KDE was completely logged out. To work really well, support for shutting down should be built into KDE. File a "wishlist" bug report for KDE 3.0.


By not me at Mon, 2001/08/27 - 5:00am

Well, I found this feature in the Mandrake 8.2 logout screen. You can either select logout, reboot or shutdown. Mandrake is however so sluggish that I find it in no way an alternative to flash-flash Windows and RH7.1.

I am also looking to incorporate this feature in RH 7.1, and anyone knowing how the mandrake guys did it, is very welcome to tell me..:)

Anyway, try mandrake 8.1 if you want it without any hassle


By Melle at Sat, 2001/11/17 - 6:00am

Well, I found this feature in the Mandrake 8.2 logout screen. You can either select logout, reboot or shutdown. Mandrake is however so sluggish that I find it in no way an alternative to flash-flash Windows and RH7.1.

I am also looking to incorporate this feature in RH 7.1, and anyone knowing how the mandrake guys did it, is very welcome to tell me..:)

Anyway, try mandrake 8.1 if you want it without any hassle


By Melle at Sat, 2001/11/17 - 6:00am

Well, I found this feature in the Mandrake 8.2 logout screen. You can either select logout, reboot or shutdown. Mandrake is however so sluggish that I find it in no way an alternative to flash-flash Windows and RH7.1.

I am also looking to incorporate this feature in RH 7.1, and anyone knowing how the mandrake guys did it, is very welcome to tell me..:)

Anyway, try mandrake 8.1 if you want it without any hassle


By Melle at Sat, 2001/11/17 - 6:00am

Just read the item about "Web Form Autocompletion and Sensitive Data" in Kernel Cousin Kde #20, maybe it would be a good idea to have a kind of slidebar where the user can set the balance between security and convinience, kinda like Eyecandy-O-Meter we have now. I'm not sure how many security/convinience options there out there but it might be worth considering.


By Pyretic at Mon, 2001/08/27 - 5:00am

hmm, i don't think a security-o-meter would be a good idea. It might give users a false security feeling ... (my system is 80% secure, your system is 50% secure), and i think it is essential to security to know what security related options you just enabled/disabled.


By ik at Mon, 2001/08/27 - 5:00am

You shouldn't have a percentage slider, but something like

"no security"[no lan, no floppy, ...]
"non-networked workstation"
"LAN workstation, LAN is protected"
"system on a dial-up link to the net, and
if the system's cracked it's not the end of the world"

and the one most thoughts should go to:

"normal user on a dial-up or faster line"

and last but not least

"non-mission critical server system"

(mission-critical server system ain't ever have KDE installed I hope)

All that with a
"If you don't know nothing, choose normal user" and a nice "Warning! Important" sign might be a good idea. Obviously, except for 1st and maybe 2nd case almost all security options should be turned on, e.g. the autocomplete turned on for firewalled-LAN and dial-up user without important data (does such a thing exist?) and turned off for normal user. Paranoia by default is a good idea.

-Arondylos


By Arondylos at Mon, 2001/08/27 - 5:00am

Anyone else having problems with Hotmail after upgrading to 2.2? KDE 2.1 seemed to be 100% compatible w/ Hotmail, but 2.2 seems to have lots of javascript problems. I can't send or delete anything.

It's a bit of a bummer!


By JC at Mon, 2001/08/27 - 5:00am

Check out the Konqueror FAQ (www.konqueror.org).


By Evandro at Mon, 2001/08/27 - 5:00am

I checked out the konquerer FAQ, but didn't see anything relevant.

Can you be a little more specific?


By JC at Mon, 2001/08/27 - 5:00am

Are you using packages compiled with objprelink?


By Evandro at Mon, 2001/08/27 - 5:00am

I don't know - I'm using the supplied Mandrake 8.0 RPMs.

I haven't experienced any crashes with javascript, but rather some of the buttons simply don't work.


By JC at Mon, 2001/08/27 - 5:00am

this has been fixed in cvs. it was a bug with html forms inside tables, when the form was declared outside of tr and td tags. (not valid html anyway, but many sites unfortunately use it). update kdelibs from the kde_2_2 branch in cvs or wait for kde 2.2.1.

even better: send a message to the hotmail webmaster telling him to fix that html code.


By anon at Tue, 2001/08/28 - 5:00am

Hotmail fixing something to work on KDE?

Let me know how it works out ;)


By Evandro at Tue, 2001/08/28 - 5:00am

BTW, starting a form outside a table is plenty legal in HTML.

it was a bug in KDE, not hotmail.

example: it is impossible to format the places form fields should go if you do not declare the form outside of a table that later places the fields. this is speced out in HTML4. probably earlier as well


By dude who cares at Tue, 2001/08/28 - 5:00am

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By j at Tue, 2004/01/20 - 6:00am

plz send me great method how to hack and msn account


By naeem at Mon, 2002/09/02 - 5:00am

I dont know what is wrong with the stupid thing but I have not been able to check my mail in days, I think that it is rediculous and that it needs to be fixed it keeps telling me that i need to turn on Java Script when I know its on. I think they should fix it and fix it soon!
Upset Hotmail User,
Elise Sheets


By Elise Sheets at Sun, 2002/12/29 - 6:00am

I have the same problem - did you figure out what to do?


By gene at Mon, 2006/01/02 - 6:00am

Dear webmaster,

As from today onward,i want your assistance concerning all the junks mail in my box.Please,kindly help me weed out all the junks mails,i want my box to luke cute.Because,i want to be receiving a special mail from it.

Thank you very much,

Julius Ayodeji Ojo.


By OJO AYODEJI at Sun, 2003/11/02 - 6:00am

Dear webmaster,

I sincerely appeal to you concerning all my mails in Julius10452@hotmail.com.If it is possible to transfer it to my box in holywood118@hotmail.com,i will appreciate it.Hope to get a positive reply from you as soon as possible.kindly send my reply to holywood118@hotmail.com.

Thanks,
Ojo Ayodeji.


By OJO AYODEJI at Sat, 2003/11/08 - 6:00am

This is getting very frustrating... i really would just like to check my email.
If i cant get this to work im gonna go yahoo.


By grrr at Thu, 2004/01/15 - 6:00am

I think I might have the same problem whenevr i got to hotmail it i get sent the login page even though im already signed in and then it even tells me i'm already signed I suspected It could have something to do with the Javascript


By MiLo at Sat, 2006/03/04 - 6:00am

log off and log in again


By vicki at Sun, 2006/03/05 - 6:00am

I have the exact same problem. Exactly!!!! I've emailed hotmail like 500 times and all they say is "delete your browser cookies" What even is javascript? at the bottom of the screen it says it's a javascript error, but what even is javascript? a bit of a bummer, I'm going crazy!!!!


By jake at Fri, 2007/10/19 - 5:00am

i can't get onto my hotmail anymore ever since we upgraded to Vista, it comes up with needs javascript when i try and get into www.hotmail.com, and have no idea what im suppose to do!!! please help me if you can, anyone!

yours prini


By Prini at Mon, 2008/01/14 - 6:00am

can anyone help me
i also have problems with hotmail, i can't open my mails and i get the same error message left under saying that it is javascript

i cannot even open any of my old mails, all are blocked as javscript???
i need to open some old mails but can't do so.
is there something that i must do
please give me in details what to do


By misslind at Tue, 2008/08/12 - 5:00am

Check out this blog. www.freewebs.com/justusproduct/hxblog.htm

There is an entry on some ways to check your mail during these periods


By Zakane at Tue, 2008/10/07 - 5:00am

When I was young I thought Java was to be the Panacea for computing. It turned out to be the headachea


By DrNo at Mon, 2001/08/27 - 5:00am

Yeah, where are those Java VM chips we were all supposed to have built into our computers by now?


By Carbon at Mon, 2001/08/27 - 5:00am

Just one question: Why are, as of 2.2, kab and kaddressbook still using slightly different formats to store contact information in the KDE addressbook? kaddressbook uses a field "custom:KMail:1.0"(?!?!?) or something like that, e.g. for postal addresses, while kab uses "X-foo" entries. Now, which program should I use to store all my contacts? Only basic information like name and email is exchangable! That's probably not the idea of a centralized KDE addressbook! Or am I doing something wrong?!?!?


By Alexx at Tue, 2001/08/28 - 5:00am

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