OCT
9
2001

KDE-Look.org: EyeCandy for your KDE Desktop

Are you looking for icons, backgrounds, color schemes, window decorations, system sounds, or entire themes? KDE-Look.org ("EyeCandy for your KDE Desktop") provides exactly that. While relatively low on quantity, quality is very high. The layout and interactive nature of this site indicates that it may very well wind up being a central resource for the kind of user who likes to change his colors, icons and look every hour. It also has sections for skins for Noatun and other KDE apps.

Comments

This website is top-notch.

Cheers,
-N.


By Navindra Umanee at Tue, 2001/10/09 - 5:00am

Finally you don't have to wait for themes.org coming up again!


By AC at Tue, 2001/10/09 - 5:00am

Very cool stuff.


By AB at Tue, 2001/10/09 - 5:00am

great. i love this site. thanx!
gunnar


By gunnar at Tue, 2001/10/09 - 5:00am

Nuff said.


By Qwertz at Tue, 2001/10/09 - 5:00am

When I learned about kde-look.org a couple of days ago, I checked it out and liked what I saw. I then looked at themes.org and noticed that it's down again, with traffic being directed toward the old ("classic") site. There are lessons to be learned here, I think. If I may be so bold as to offer the following advice to the kde-look.org maintainers:

"Lessons to learn from themes.org":
1. Quality counts. Don't accept every variation on a theme, just for the numbers. Themes.org was always flooded with submissions, but most of them were just previous themes with a different color scheme. I used to use Enlightenment before switching to KDE, and I can tell you, a truly interesting and creative theme would only come out once every three to six months. All the others were...well, I'm going to get flamed, but they were honestly uncreative crap. For those of you who remember when AbsolutE came out, think of how many clones popped up; most of them just changed the colors around. There were hundreds of themes at e.themes.org, and I looked through all of them, but honestly, the number could have been trimmed down to ten or twenty. Rewarding quality over quantity will have two results: one, you will encourage people to be more creative, resulting in better schemes/themes. Two, you will make life easier on yourself when it comes to update the website/database. I suspect part of themes.org's problem is that it simply has too many themes, most of which are unnecessarily dragging it down.

2. People want themes, not a website experience. The lesson from themes.org is painfully clear: if for some reason, kde-look.org goes down, gets wiped/cracked/whatever, and you have to rebuild from scratch, don't let your fans wait for six months. They will leave. If you have to put up a plain-text site, do it. Don't decide, "Hmm, well, it's time to update the look of the site, people can wait." They won't. Witness the flames on the themes.org message board. I'm not one of those flamers. I was willing to wait for one of two things: either themes.org comes back, or another site takes its place. The second has occured. This surfer is going to take his hit traffic to another site. Sorry. Content is more important to me than layout. Themes.org looks (or did, for the brief amount of time that the new site was up) gorgeous, but there was nothing there. Oops.

I'm sure there's more, but it's still early in the morning. I am looking forward to neurotically checking the site for new themes every day. :) All I ask is that you do ONE thing, and do it well: give us a place to find and post themes. Then you will be greatly loved, and great will be your reward. Thanks, guys!

:Peter


By Peter Clark at Tue, 2001/10/09 - 5:00am

Actually, part of the reason for redesigning themes.org is to accomodate your first comment; allowing the person who posted a theme to add variants of it, so if someone has minor changes like recoloring, the original theme author can choose to make them available without cluttering up the main site - minor variants will not be accepted as main theme submissions anymore. (At least that's what I was told by some themes.org people, I could be wrong.)


By Kenny Graunke at Tue, 2001/10/09 - 5:00am

>1. Quality counts. <

Yeah, but who will be the judge?

>I can tell you, a truly interesting and creative theme would only come out once every three to six months. All the others were...well, I'm going to get flamed, but they were honestly uncreative crap.>

It is a matter of taste. What is in your opinion 'crap' it is not 'crap' to others. Or better said: what is not crap today it becomes crap tomorrow. I used to use Aqua clones for a couple of weeks, and then I got sick and tired of them. Now I think they are all crap (including Apple's original Aqua style), but many other people don't have the same taste. For them is Aqua style probably the most beautiful theme (or style). And we have to respect that. And Aqua clones are the most downloaded themes & styles on themes.org and will be, I am sure, the most downloaded styles & themes on kde-look.org.
AbsoluteE is beautiful to you, but (I'm sorry) it is IMHO ugly.

>Rewarding quality over quantity will have two results: one, you will encourage people to be more creative, resulting in better schemes/themes >

I am not so sure. I think we need a really good tutorial on how to create themes and styles (not coded, but pixmap's ones).

P.S. IMHO, kde-look.org is very nice, and it is very good idea to have all possible themes and styles (which can be used in kde) in one place: kde ones, icewm ones, gtk, noatun, icons... :)


By antialias at Tue, 2001/10/09 - 5:00am

> Yeah, but who will be the judge?

I think it's pretty easy to draw a minimal line. For one, no blatent rip-offs, changing jsut the color scheme. Different color schemes should be grouped under the parent theme, if at all.

> It is a matter of taste. What is in your opinion 'crap' it is not 'crap' to others.

Ok, how about this: if a theme drops off in popularity after a set amount of time (is two-three months reasonable?) it's yanked. In other words, let the users vote with their downloads. Now, granted, some themes are super popular and have their peak, then trail off. Special provisions should be made for these. But can anyone justify keeping a theme that is close to two years old and only has a few hundred downloads, most of them from the first week?

> AbsoluteE is beautiful to you, but (I'm sorry) it is IMHO ugly.

Apology accepted. I think AbsolutE is hideous, too. I was using it as an example of something that has been ripped, duplicated, and copied a hundred times.

> I am not so sure. I think we need a really good tutorial on how to create themes and styles (not coded, but pixmap's ones).

Hear, hear! I would really love to make a theme with vertical text (the title bar on the left side) but have no idea, because there's no documentation!
:Peter


By Peter Clark at Tue, 2001/10/09 - 5:00am

how about when the theme doesn't even look right because it is coded wrong, missing images, or makes assumptions about color scheme, settings, etc...

I would call those themes "crap" without offending anyone's taste. (if not the developer's ego)

-pos


By pos at Wed, 2001/10/10 - 5:00am

better call them "buggy", this is less insulting

Alex


By aleXXX at Wed, 2001/10/10 - 5:00am

I see your point about posting small variations, but I for one like having a lot of variants available. A lot of times I find one or two variants on a main theme that I really like, whereas all the other variants (and the original theme) I don't. It seems like a good solution would be to just list variants under their "original" theme (if there is an original even; but then how can you call any Aqua-like KDE theme the original when the original is Apple's?)

Also, I was just wondering why the B II, KStep, etc. Kwin styles look so *different* from the styles they were patterned after (in this case BeOS and *Step, respectively)? I can understand artistic license, but these styles bear hardly any resemblance to the originals. I'd think one might as well come up with different names for them.


By Rakko at Wed, 2001/10/10 - 5:00am

Kde-look.org even support GTK+ themes! They rock!


By Stof at Tue, 2001/10/09 - 5:00am

kde also supports gtk themes...


By b at Tue, 2001/10/09 - 5:00am

No it doesn't ...

I have yet to see a theme that was successfully imported.


By Carg at Wed, 2001/10/10 - 5:00am

: I have yet to see a theme that was successfully imported.

I have.

On the other hand, I have yet to see you.

So you don't exist.

--
Evan


By Evan "JabberWok... at Wed, 2001/10/10 - 5:00am

> I have.

Please show me. I've been trying this since KDE 2.0 and couldn't get it right.

> On the other hand, I have yet to see you.

Thank God.

> So you don't exist.

Troll.


By Carg at Thu, 2001/10/11 - 5:00am

: Troll.

So says the person who stated that it dosen't work because it dosen't work for him. I downloaded the KDE 2.1 rpms for SuSE 7.1, and then went to themes.org. I downloaded about three or so themes, installed them, and then installed them in the Control Center. It worked fine. I think I'm using the eazel theme, as everytime I load up a gtk app, it repeats the following seven times:

Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to locate loadable module in module_path: "libeazel-engine.so",

But everything *looks* like it's supposed to, according to the corresponding screenshot, and I've not had any problems with xmms or lopster, the only two non-KDE apps I really use (not that XMMS uses the theme).

--
Evan


By Evan "JabberWok... at Thu, 2001/10/11 - 5:00am

Could you please post a screenshot?


By Carg at Sat, 2001/10/13 - 5:00am

Look at attached screenshot of konsole window

theme is imported pixmap version of eazel-blue

kwin thme is spiffIce through IceWM theme client for kwin


By Primus at Thu, 2001/10/11 - 5:00am

any pixmap one should work

i've tried 100's of them, they all work

i should mention that in 2.2.x, a lot of it was fixed


By asasd at Wed, 2001/10/10 - 5:00am

I've tried all of them, none of them work here :(
I've tried them on all versions of KDE 2xx :(
When I import one it totally screws up my fonts. They become
so small that they are unreadable. Then I import second one and my fonts
become even smaller etc.
I've asked many places (also on mailing lists)for help, nobody ever gave me an answer about the problem. I mostly always compile kde sources, but distros rpms
have the same problem.


By antialias at Thu, 2001/10/11 - 5:00am

try his liquid theme. All quarrel apart, his theme rocks.


By try at Tue, 2001/10/09 - 5:00am

The 'liquid' widget style itself is adequate.
The menu styling on the other hand is very good -- they should be seperated out from the theme, and put in the base KDE libs so that users can have transparent menus with any style.


By Jon at Wed, 2001/10/10 - 5:00am

which would probably bring us back in the quarrel thing


By try at Wed, 2001/10/10 - 5:00am

I compile the theme source code on Mandrake 8.1 but It mentioned errors:
-- liquidclient.h:5:20: client.h: No such file or directory
-- liquidclient.cpp:15:28: kwin/workspace.h: No such file or directory
-- liquidclient.cpp:16:26: kwin/options.h: No such file or directory

any idea the cause of error and how to overcome it?


By jamal at Wed, 2001/10/10 - 5:00am

I had this problem in debian, I just had to install kdebase-dev - the package is not likely to be called that for mandrake, but you're just missing the devel package which includes the KWin stuff.


By Nero at Wed, 2001/10/10 - 5:00am

It's kdebase-devel,IIRC ;-)


By A Sad Person at Wed, 2001/10/10 - 5:00am

omfg, that is mosfet, i recognize the ;-) anywhere!#$!@#

come back to kde-cvs d00d^!@#&^&

liquid is da shiznit


By asasd at Wed, 2001/10/10 - 5:00am

not... download and compiled his liquid engine last week (had to manually move a lot files about to get it to work) and checked his site just now for an update.... It claims he is no longer doing anything with linux.....


By Martijn Dekkers at Mon, 2001/10/15 - 5:00am

when i pop up a menu sometimes i see a picture of mosfet. don't include this in kde!


By liquid is lame at Sun, 2001/10/21 - 5:00am

Nowhere in the code is there a picture of mosfet.


By Liar liar pants... at Sun, 2001/10/21 - 5:00am

Hi, I have installed the theme, but I don't get 'Liquid' in the Style category of 'Appearance & Themes'. I get all the others (Colors, Window Decoration...) but not the style. What I really want are the transparent menus. Anyone know why this happens?? Thanks.
Derek.


By Derek at Fri, 2003/02/28 - 6:00am

It seems that KDE 2.x is self-satisfied with few style themes. The style themes can be created in two ways:

1. Programmed (fast, but programmers can create only)
2. Pixmapped (a bit slow but non programmer can create it)

Though Rik or Rikkus has Program/coded tutorial, but we are Lacking Pixmapped tutorial much like Mosfet's, which is still a bit unclear on many things. I had to discover by wasting many hours how to create an icon theme, and still and I am not sure.

Simply, putting it:

Users can create themes/styles if proper documentation is provided, but those who knows doesn't wish to share like Mosfet!? Please somebody create somewhat quick-tutorial for:

1. Themes (of theme manager)
2. Pixmap Style
3. Sound
4. Icon

so that users can contribute to our beautiful KDE. I would have created one if I knew about it (themes know-how).

By the way there is a very nice theme 'QNix' which is superbly style coded for KDE.

Anyway a long awaited site is here. Many thanks to the folks who created such intuitive and nice KDE themes site.


By Asif Ali Rizwaan at Wed, 2001/10/10 - 5:00am

> Please somebody create somewhat quick-tutorial for:
> 4. Icon

ftp://ftp.derkarl.org/pub/incoming/icnthm-doc.tar.gz

might save your day :-)

Greetings,
Tackat


By Torsten Rahn at Wed, 2001/10/10 - 5:00am

Wow, site UI rocks.
style and themes already there rocks.

im so happy.
thanks thanks thanks.

i like to change my UI when i get bored. its important to me and Xwindow system give us that chance. but i have no talent to create look from my own, ....

please artist all over the world contribute to KDE.

i think its time to show off what KDE can (be/do) to few remaining skeptics.

thanks again, see ya.


By Mathieu Jobin at Wed, 2001/10/10 - 5:00am

My problem with themes.org was always the lack of good quality KDE themes, but this new site is great! Now I'm sticking with KDE!


By Janus Shelley at Wed, 2001/10/10 - 5:00am

Great work... very easy to navigate!

One question - I'm still pretty new to KDE (after using Gnome for about 2 years) and I'm wondering if anyone has done (or is planning) any *Step-like title bar/window frame kinda like this:

http://gtk.classic.themes.org/php/pic.phtml?src=themes/gtk/shots/9665486...

or this

http://gtk.classic.themes.org/php/pic.phtml?src=themes/gtk/shots/9352525...

This simple titlebar look is still my alltime favourite. Thanks!


By PRR at Wed, 2001/10/10 - 5:00am

well, there is a KStep window decoration and there is a STep-kde style and theres a Pale Grey color scheme that can make your desktop VERY next-step'ish heres a screenshot: http://tokyoeye.rgv.net/kdestep.png


By diamondc at Wed, 2001/10/10 - 5:00am

Thank you! Where can I get these 3 window-decoration/schemes now until someone uploads them to KDE-Look?

One more question for anyone, are there any Winamp/XMMS style skins for Noatun out there somewhere?


By PRR at Wed, 2001/10/10 - 5:00am

i believe the step themes should come by default with the kdebase package.

there is a winamp skin plugin for noatun listed on the noatun homepage but the link wouldn't work for me last week.


By diamondc at Wed, 2001/10/10 - 5:00am

NextStep decos:

Well, kstep is already included in kde 2.2, afaik. Also, the next major version of WindowMaker (due VERY soon)'s major new feature is KDE2 comptability :-).

Noatun winamp skins:

Yes, it might be included in KDE 3, the noatun plugin is called winskin, and it's in CVS


By asasd at Wed, 2001/10/10 - 5:00am

Don't miss the new qnx theme! It's COOL. Better than liquid (less flashy, better usability)
Complete with kwin theme, color scheme and so on. This is a real theme, not a pixmap theme!


By Moritz Moeller-... at Wed, 2001/10/10 - 5:00am

Yeah I agree, I use it too now and it rocks!

Now all i want is a cool icon theme to fit nicely with it =)

Btw, I found that replacing the back and forward buttons from galeon (the mozilla-small theme or something) makes konqueror look alot nicer. these are the small (24x24) blue rounded icons I'm talking about.

However, the icon with the arrow pointing up is a little hard to clone (i rotated it 90 degrees left, but it's ugly... the button's gradient isn't right).

Check the screenshot to see what I mean.


By Richard Stellin... at Wed, 2001/10/10 - 5:00am

What about the icon theme ikon?
I think it's nice.


By Peter Simonsson at Wed, 2001/10/10 - 5:00am

My guess about your icon :
- Rotate the left arrow 90° clock-wise
- Mirror it

Should be good !


By Aurélien at Wed, 2001/10/10 - 5:00am

Hey,
This is really nice.
I don't know much about qnx, but are the icons exactly the same?
Any license problems with that?
I think KDE would come with a different default theme.
Maybe this one could be the one.
I really love the antialiasing thing.
I hope that XFree guys finush with the Sis 630 driver for Xfree 4 soon!


By lanbo at Wed, 2001/10/10 - 5:00am

at home i run a sis 630.. its an onboard video chipset. runs just fine 16-bit color 1280x1024 on my monitor. this is what lspci says

01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] SiS630 GUI Accelerator+3D (rev 31)

im using xfree 4.1.0 from debian/unstable

should work =)


By diamondc at Wed, 2001/10/10 - 5:00am

I haven't managed to make it work without the framebuffer.
It works but, you know: No QUAKE and no RENDERER extension.
That sucks.
I think it's the combination of sis 630 + TFT what doesn't work.
Any one has managed to make it work with hardware acceleration?


By lanbo at Wed, 2001/10/10 - 5:00am

Get X 4.1.0.

On 4.0.3 RENDER didn't work on the 630, but on 4.1.0 it does.

OTOH, the 630 is incredibly slow garbage.


By Roberto Alsina at Wed, 2001/10/10 - 5:00am

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