KDE 3.0.1 Ships

Thursday, 23 May 2002  |  Dre

Following the remarkably successful launch of the KDE 3 series with a very stable KDE 3.0 last month, the KDE Project today announced the immediate availability of KDE 3.0.1. While primarily a translation release, it also squashes some bugs, including some minor security issues with KHTML. Check out the announcement and the fairly complete ChangeLog. Binary packages are available from the stalwart KDE packagers at Compaq Tru64, Conectiva Linux, Mandrake Linux and SuSE Linux. As always, we hope you enjoy the latest and greatest KDE!

Comments:

Good job everyone! - Janne - 2002-05-23

Still waiting for the Debian-packages... They don't even have 3.0 packages yet!

Re: Good job everyone! - Carbon - 2002-05-23

Yes, they do. They just aren't in Sid yet. See #debian-kde on OPN.

Re: Good job everyone! - Anonymous - 2002-05-23

check calc.cx/kde.txt ! They have had debs ready for a month and they were just about to put it into sid, but now they have changed their mind and are PLANNING ON WAITING ANOTHER MONTH for GCC3.1 to become the standard compiler. Apparantly they have lost touch with normal users that actually do use the standard debian-archives.

Re: Good job everyone! - Daniel Stone - 2002-05-23

The alternative is bumping the soname when gcc-3.1 comes in (in the next week or two, I'm told), and fucking things up. Deal for a week or so, or you can deal with co-ordinating recompiling Qt, KDE, all the packages that depend on KDE, and so on, and so forth ... You're making pretty ridiculous demands of volunteer time.

Re: Good job everyone! - fler - 2002-05-25

if your schedule is tight, don't volunteer for a large effort

Re: Good job everyone! - Jarl E. Gjessing - 2002-05-23

Yes, excellent!! I suffered from veird crashes, and a lot of strange crashes, now as far as I can see the are all fixed. And the speed of KDE-3 is soo much better than KDE-2.x.x. You are really doing a great job guys. I just hope that someone will try to help out by making RedHat RPMS. I sure will give it a try on some of the pacakages!!

gcc3.1 proof - Praktikant - 2002-05-23

is kde gcc3.1 proof ?? i had some problems with gcc3.0.4 and kdemultimedia (kmidi) #Praktikant

Re: gcc3.1 proof - RoyceyBaby - 2002-05-23

Well the annoucement says that it should compile with gcc3.1. "However, KDE should compile properly with gcc 3.1, provided that neither debugging support nor strict syntax checking is enabled."

Re: gcc3.1 proof - Jostein Christoffer Andersen - 2002-05-23

From http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-3.0.1.html: With respect to the most popular KDE compiler, gcc/egcs, please note that some components of KDE will not compile properly with gcc versions earlier than gcc-2.95, such as egcs-1.1.2 or gcc-2.7.2, or with unpatched versions of gcc 3.0.x. However, KDE should compile properly with gcc 3.1, provided that neither debugging support nor strict syntax checking is enabled. Jostein

Re: gcc3.1 proof - Perra - 2002-05-23

I have used gcc-3.1 and successfully compiled all my kde cvs modules. *No* problems here at all. The compiler is faster than RH-2.96 but a slower than 2.95. P

Re: gcc3.1 proof - Harsh - 2002-05-24

You mean the compiler is fast, or the generated code is fast?

and no RedHat packages ? - loopkin - 2002-05-23

as usual it seems. i'm lost in RedHat's handling of KDE. no 3.0.1 packages (maybe they'll be there in a few days), and, moreover, KDE 3 was shipped heavily patched in RH 7.3... kdelibs is numbered kdelibs-3.0.0-10. what does it fix precisely ? what is not fixed and fixed in 3.0.1 ? is it just redhat-specific patches ? nobody knows. maybe a long digging of the sources should reveal that to the world ;-))

Re: and no RedHat packages ? - rob - 2002-05-23

To find out what patches were applied to the RH7.3 packages, simply install(not build) the src RPM. There should be a bunch of patches applied in the SPEC file script(the patches themselves are probably in the BUILD directory). Source RPMs should always come with a copy of the pristine source as released along with any patches that were applied separately. Also I would be surprised, no amazed, if Bero(who builds the RH packages alone AFAIK and does a great job of it) did not contribute any generally useful patches(i.e. not RH specific) back to the main KDE tree.

Re: and no RedHat packages ? - loopkin - 2002-05-23

redhat-specific for me meant changes to the menus or things like that, to adapt KDE to the distro... of course for the rest i'm sure he's comitted them to the main tree.

Re: and no RedHat packages ? - Aurélien Gâteau - 2002-05-23

Having a look at the RPM changelog and at the patches included in the RPMs should be enough (Patches are kept separate from archives in source RPMs)

Re: and no RedHat packages ? - loopkin - 2002-05-23

i know that. the problem is that, starting from kde3, each app has now a separate RPM, but apparently, they still come from the same SRPMS as before... so for most of the apps, the patchlevel of the RPM is simply misleading. but i'll have a look. and i still hope that RH will release 3.0.1 RPMs ;-)

Re: and no RedHat packages ? - ip - 2002-05-23

You can see some daily packages in bero homepage, few are labeled even as 3.1.0 . Look at: http://www.linux-easy.com/daily/

Re: and no RedHat packages ? - loopkin - 2002-05-23

i know this. but i'll never used fresh RPMs from bero once again. last time i did it, he compiled KDE 2.2.2 against qt 2.3.2, as there was a clear "don't do that" from the KDE team. it resulted as the buggiest KDE i've ever used (clipboard was messing everything) ;-) moreover, i wonder what "kde 3.1.0" is... did i miss any announcment ;-))

Re: and no RedHat packages ? - Perra - 2002-05-23

Just start to compile from source instead. It is not hard at all and then you can always update the source once a bugfixes keep coming in. http://www.kde.org/anoncvs.html

Re: and no RedHat packages ? - Janne - 2002-05-23

"Just start to compile from source instead. It is not hard at all and then you can always update the source once a bugfixes keep coming in." Speaking of bugs... Why does the number of bugs seem to get bigger and bigger: http://bugs.kde.org/bugscount.txt I assume that those bugs are removed from the list once a fix is submitted to CVS. But the number of bugs in KDE keeps on increasing. Some statistics: Bugs 0317: 4533 0523 (today): 4823 Of those Crash 0317: 183 0523: 579(!) Grave 0317: 22 0523: 68(!) The amount of normal bugs has been reduced (from 4328 to 4176), but they are rising again. Lowest number was in 0331 (3524), and it has gone up since.

Re: and no RedHat packages ? - Anonymous - 2002-05-23

> Speaking of bugs... Why does the number of bugs seem to get bigger and bigger: That`s a natural thing: More users, more bug reports. And most bugs get more than one report, most noticeable with khtml, and it needs much work to identify duplicates. What I found interesting when reading http://www.linux.org.uk/~telsa/Trips/Talks/g3-bugzilla.html is that Gnome "receives one hundred to three hundred bugs a day." Make your own conclusion if there are more (native english-speaking) users, automated crash reports(?) or just more bugs. Anyway don`t wonder they can close up to 300 bug reports between every Beta release.

Re: and no RedHat packages ? - Aaron J. Seigo - 2002-05-23

1) more users mean more bugs found and more reports made on the same bugs 2) more code means more bugs to be found (looks at how much more there is in kde now than there was in the kde1 days) 3) developers can use a hand closing duplicates and closing non-reproducable bugs 4) all the same, the number of bugs isn't growing out of control and KDE remains very stable the fact that the number of bug reports (including wishlist items) is growing is a sign that kde itself is growing.

Re: and no RedHat packages ? - Carsten Pfeiffer - 2002-05-24

The number of reports with "crash"-severity is also raising due to the endless hours spent by people like Stephan Binner, wading through the reports and categorizing them.

Re: and no RedHat packages ? - Perra - 2002-05-24

There was some idea a while back that after some time after an updated release a mail would be sent to the person (for each unclosed bug report) that sent the bugreport asking him if it has been fixed. Ofcourse a mail with all bugs reported by the user would be sent. If he never replies to the mail the reports will be closed after a certain amount of time. This would kill some of the very old and hopefully not ligitimate bugs. P

Re: and no RedHat packages ? - loopkin - 2002-05-23

yep, i know that, and i actually do it for some apps (kwintv, kyim, ...). but then, if i start to do it for such a big thing as KDE, why use a distro and not LFS ? moreover, my comp is an old Celeron 450 (overclocked), and it takes hours to compile anything on it, so, for the whole KDE, i have the feeling it'll die ;-) i think the only option for me is switching the distro. i'm considering to do it more and more....

Re: and no RedHat packages ? - Morty - 2002-05-23

With my old Duches 400 (No overclocking 398 to be exact) I used about 24hrs on the base packages + network and multimedia (3.0 beta 2 or 3). The bad one is Qt on 6-7 hrs. You can save some time (several hrs) compiling Qt without tutorials and example code :)

Re: and no RedHat packages ? - Alexander Bard - 2002-05-23

Yes, I agree on this one. RedHat always make it a pain with new KDE releases. That's why I don´t use RedHat anymore. I suggest you choose another distro as well, it makes it a lot easier. I've always been happy with Mandrake.

Re: and no RedHat packages ? - Leo Milano - 2002-05-23

I am sure they will compile the packages. They have always done it for stable releases. It usually takes a couple more days for the Red Hat packages, but it is all right. Please remember folks, IT IS HARD to make money with GPL code. It is not impossible, but it is hard. They are doing their best. Please BE POLITE in your requests. We need (worldwide) more companies like Red Hat, Suse , Mandrake, etc, and less companies like ... you know, M$. Cheers, -- Leo

Re: and no RedHat packages ? - loopkin - 2002-05-23

<i>I am sure they will compile the packages. They have always done it for stable releases.</i> erm no, not _at_all_ !!! in RH 6, KDE1 wasn't even included. that's how Mandrake started: a RH with KDE1, and compiled for i586 instead of i386 then for a very long time, RH wasn't providing any package besides the one included in the RH releases. there was some guy providing RH UNOFFICIAL packages for the KDE team (they were even compiled against cups, whereas till 7.3 RH used only lpd). It was the first time with RH7.2/KDE2.2.2 when things were handled more or less correctly (except that Bero did a bad packaging -that qt2.3.2 thing-, mostly because he was in a hurry i think) RedHat has always had a bad attitude towards KDE. they focus on GNOME (a bit) and server-side (a lot). Bero is doing alone packaging for KDE, and i agree it's a far too difficult work. After that, for sure, RH's CEO can go bashing "Linux isn't ready for the desktop" everywhere.... As for making money, RedHat is the most profitable Linux distro as i know. So i ask them in a very polite way to handle KDE correctly ;-))

Re: and no RedHat packages ? - Leo Milano - 2002-05-23

Ok, thanks for the info loopkin. I assumed it was RedHat providing those packages, but now I recall it was actually Bero doing it in his spare time. I switched to KDE since 2.2, so I wasn't aware of the past histoy (I used to use twm and later Gnome). As for RedHat's bashing of Linux on the desktop, I agree in what you say and I think THEY DON'T GET IT. if you don't have a grip on the desktop market you will lose it on the servers market. That's how M$ got heavily into the servers market, with this horrid NT OS. Sys Adms had to reboot daily (!) to keep them running. But they still used it "because it was M$". And M$ got the their name recognized because of desktop dominance (plus FUD plus monopolic behavior plus marketting). Enough rant. Thank you all, KDE people, for this beautiful desktop.

Re: and no RedHat packages ? - loopkin - 2002-05-23

yes i agree on that !! i really like a lot KDE, it's great job :-))

Kommunity - kde friend - 2002-05-23

And who is responsible for reqular update of http://developer.kde.org/development-versions/kde-3.0-release-plan.html and http://developer.kde.org/development-versions/kde-3.0-features.html Why they don't change it's status and why you dont keep community informed about the progress. Pls don't make the mistake of loosing the community by not informing what's going on and what is current progress. Also something about the dot, the news-per-day are too small, for dot readers i just want to remember that when freekde.org was live there were 2-3 times more news per day and that was fine. Don't forget that in opensource the most important thing is the community (not only contributors, developers, designers, translators but end-users, administrators, promoters, middle and small business too), and the community dies without fresh news, forums, lists, updates, releases, etc (any suggestions???). Anyway kde community is very strong and hard, i personally visit kde.org and the dot every earth day and promote it! But if we want to bring more users and contributors to community we should more active. (Example: look at the other camp and see that they have news almost every day no matter that the news are bull-shits and that their progress is zero compared to the progres of kde (if some one cannot guess the other camp it's http://www.gnome.org ) P.S. Kongrats kde team, waiting for 3.1

Re: Kommunity - why - 2002-05-23

why you are staring flame wars again, kde is really superior now but i want to see what you are going to say when gnome2 is up

Re: Kommunity - ac - 2002-05-24

> kde is really superior now but i want to see what you are going to say when > gnome2 is up? probably something like "nice, but not quite there" SCNR ;-)

Re: Kommunity - Anonymous - 2002-05-23

> And who is responsible for reqular update of http://developer.kde.org/development-versions/kde-3.0-release-plan.html Release coordinator. > and http://developer.kde.org/development-versions/kde-3.0-features.html Nobody, or every developer for his own changes. > Pls don't make the mistake of loosing the community by not informing what's going on and what is current progress. You will be glad to hear that Kernel Cousin KDE will return. > Also something about the dot, the news-per-day are too small Submit stories. But don`t think about announcing every software release like news.gnome.org, that`s the task of apps.kde.com.

Re: Kommunity - Frank Rizzo - 2002-05-23

>>You will be glad to hear that Kernel Cousin KDE will return.<< That's great. When does it return and who will be doing it?

Re: Kommunity - Anonymous - 2002-05-24

Could be today or tomorrow. A new team, I guess they will introduce themself.

Re: Kommunity - Rob Kaper - 2002-05-25

No, it is basically the same team with some new help, and we now coordinate our efforts more closely on the <a href="http://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kc-kde">kc-kde mailinglist</a> and use CVS to put our summaries so we can fix typos and markup stuff in a joined effort, putting less stress on the head editor who still sends the final version in for publishment.

Re: Kommunity - Chefren - 2002-05-23

Hmm.. I always thought "the other camp" was www.microsoft.com...

Re: Kommunity - just my 2 cent - 2002-05-23

Hello out there, > But if we want to bring more users and contributors to community we should > more active. Do you mean more news activity ? > Example: look at the other camp [.. gnome.. ] and see that they have news > almost every day no matter that the news are bull-shits and that their > progress is zero compared to the progres of kde In my opinion this (bull-shit news) is a serious reason just to mention real progress on this news site. I am reading a lot here, but i would consider it is a waste of time of many surfers if dot.kde.org report about every little progress in an application. In this in 2 ways 1. resources needed to write the news here 2. all the time wasted from thousands of surfers by reading minor important news (did you ever caught yourself by reading non-informative comments (for example browsing slashdot.org) and wondered about yourself why you are reading such a bull??it) Let´s go coding / learn to code. As said before Thanks for KDE guys. P.S. Desperatly waiting for kde 3.x debs so that i can switch over to debian (or should i switch to gentoo www.gentoo.org (sounds difficult and time consuming for a linux newbee - compile nearly everything from source on a Celereon 433 and slow internet connection) cu my 2 cent on time wasting

Re: Kommunity - Chony - 2002-05-24

About the debian packages: http://calc.cx/kde.txt

Mandrake 8.2 - PARENA - 2002-05-23

Using MDK8.2 here and tried the rpm's, but even after a clean install KDE is messed up... it installs in different places, it saves some settings in you ~/.kde and some in ~/.kde3, my 'root'-user's panel was completely empty except for a taskbar, the K-menu and kalarm or something. It just copied the skeleton all wrong... :(

Re: Mandrake 8.2 - uga - 2002-05-23

I'd rather use my cvs version compiled with 3.1 that works flawlessly. After having updated kde regularly from cooker (it worked) I decided now to switch to 3.0.1.... what a mess: *As you said, the installation was completely disorganized. *I had to replace both kde and kde3.0 installations. *It had dependencies with old packages (for.ex. librpm), so it wasn't possible to upgrade after having the newer libraries. WHO provides this packages for Mandrake? They're not even in the cooker section. Are they official packages?????

Re: Mandrake 8.2 - PARENA - 2002-05-23

So your advice is to get started with cvs? Hmmm, that'll be the first time I compile KDE myself... what an adventure! And all thanks to MDK. Should I be happy now? Hmpf... ;)

Re: Mandrake 8.2 - uga - 2002-05-23

It's easy. If you have already installed qt3 in the system, you can use it, or download 3.0.4 from trolltech. You'll need to compile every package (arts, kdelibs, kdebase....) with parameters: ./configure --with-qt-dir=/usr/lib/qt3 --prefix=/usr/local/kde3.1 make make install where (/usr/lib/qt3) is the library where Mandrake installs qt3, and (/usr/local/kde3.1) is the place I usually install kde cvs. Compile it in that order: first arts, then kdelibs, then kdebase. You can try it at this moment. After that install the other packages: the order should not be important. PS: Usually the main packages have no problems for compiling, but some packages like koffice or kdemultimedia have big changes sometimes, and they don't compile instantly. They're usually not difficult to fix though, if you know some c. Good luck!

Re: Mandrake 8.2 - Ronino - 2002-05-23

I use the same system here. Actually, these packages are a real mess. I had to completely remove kde2.2.2 and my previous kde3.0.0 due to rpm-dependencies and conflicts. Try to set KDEHOME to ~/.kde3 to make all apps use this folder. My root's panel is nearly empty, too, but this has also been the case in kde3.0.0. I guess, this shall remind you of not running normal apps as root ;-). Ronino

Re: Mandrake 8.2 - Hubert - 2002-05-23

Yes, it is a little bit tricky! At first I've removed kde-2.2.2 and then an update to kde-3.0.0, that was all. Now my system works fine again. Ok, all my configurations now in .kde3, not .kde but I've copied the necassary files by hand to the new directory. Hubert

Re: Mandrake 8.2 - wilmer - 2002-07-02

where do i set KDEHOME? where would this environment variable be set? thanks! wilmer

Re: Mandrake 8.2 - Evan "JabberWokky" E. - 2002-07-02

A good place to set it is startkde, assuming you want all users to have the same home directory - otherwise, it's kinda dependant on how your distro is setup - it would be a good idea to take that to their support channels, like those on irc.openprojects.net (#suse, #mandrake, etc). It's a question more of what you're doing before KDE is run than how it's running, so it's OS dependant. Regardless, this is not the right forum for KDE support - try the various KDE mailing lists at lists.kde.org for your OS. -- Evan

Re: Mandrake 8.2 - David Faure - 2002-05-23

Expect updated packages next week, that will install under /opt/kde3 again instead of /usr, and should fix those problems.

Re: Mandrake 8.2 - Jake - 2002-05-24

Can we count on it? It's been a long time since i've seen something as screwed up as this. My sh*t is broken...bad.

Re: Mandrake 8.2 - Stephan Richter - 2002-05-24

Yeah, I just wasted an entire day of work rebuilding Mandrake with the old version of KDE 3. This has at least one advantage: It seems to be more stable now. But please, do that never again! :)

Re: Mandrake 8.2 - Hervé PARISSI - 2002-05-31

Where are *UPDATED* i18n rpms ? Now I got KDE 3.0.1 but in English instead of French lol !

Re: Mandrake 8.2 - Anonymous - 2002-05-31

ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/3.0.1/Mandrake/noarch

Re: Mandrake 8.2 - Hervé PARISSI - 2002-06-02

Thanks ! They weren't there (updated /opt/kde3 rpms) when I check, they put it on 1st June !

Re: Mandrake 8.2 - PARENA - 2002-05-25

But what I would like to know is: how come??? It's as if it hadn't been tested at all.

Re: Mandrake 8.2 - xalba - 2002-05-25

I've had problems installing 3.0.1 but after some atempts could make it by uninstalling KDE 2.2.2 and 3.0 completely even qt2 and qt3, arts2, arts3, libarts2, libarts3. After that when installing the 3.0.1 version, I had a conflict with 3 entries in the package mandrake-mime-0.1-5mdk, but after forcing the installation everything seems to work fine. Haven't have much time to probe it because I've installed it about 15" ago. But I've downloaded mail with KMail, I'm using konqueror right now, have used konsole, kwrite and some other apps and they work smoth. Bye.

Re: Mandrake 8.2 - El Zorro - 2002-05-28

So... do you think we are stupid? You could not install any app not in a million years. You have problems using MS-Word! And I can believe you were on saturday afternoon at work. You probably were at the nastiest american bar of the city looking for some dirty stuff. Greetings from Goierri.

Re: Mandrake 8.2 - El Zorro - 2002-05-28

So... do you think we are stupid? You could not install any app not in a million years. You have problems using MS-Word! And I can believe you were on saturday afternoon at work. You probably were at the nastiest american bar of the city looking for some dirty stuff. Greetings from Goierri.

Re: Mandrake 8.2 - xalba - 2002-05-28

You know that child who play with fire... akerrak adarrak okerrak ditu.

Re: Mandrake 8.2 - El Zorro - 2002-05-28

Ene bada CoCo!!

Re: Mandrake 8.2 - El Zorro - 2002-05-28

Bihar arte ;-0

Re: Mandrake 8.2, kicker crashing - Juan M. Caravaca - 2002-05-26

I've just updated my kde installation to 3.0.1 (forcing installation (rpm --force)). Now everything on kde appears to run fine, everything but kicker. Kicker always crash... Does anybody else have the same problem ? Is it a common problem or a problem only I have ? Will it be fixed (I mean if it is a common problem)? BTW, KDE 3 flies, kde 2 is a turtle compared to kde 3. Thanks for such a great desktop (kde) and such a great distro (Mandrake)

Re: Mandrake 8.2, kicker crashing - tomas - 2002-09-15

I have the same problem. I've upgraded my slackware 8.0 system by installing kde 3 desktop envinronment. Everythings goes right, but kicker always crash.

Re: Mandrake 8.2, kicker crashing - Oli - 2002-11-19

Hello, I have the same problem! Kicker is always crashing ... he can't read a string ... anybody can solve the Problem now? tia OLI

Re: Mandrake 8.2 - Maarten Rommerts - 2002-05-26

Perharps it is a good idea to start working on something like certified rpm-pakages. In the past I also had some nasty problems with messed up rpm´s. By first testing those packages we could see if the quality is good enough, and then give them a label. It a shame that good programs like Linux and KDE get the wrong reputation, only because some things are beiing messed up. KDE is and will always be goood stuff, lets preserve that. Go for KDE-quality!!

Solaris 8 pkg's anytime? - dan - 2002-05-23

I know they were supposed to be done 2 weeks after 3.0 was shipped, but that never happened? is there something wrong with them?

How about the speed - Daniël Mantione - 2002-05-23

Yes, this isn't the first time you guys have heard it, but my K6-350, 128 megs of ram still needs over a minute to go from kdm to the desktop. Gentlemen, that's too slow! Nice job, KDE 3, but go get every speed improvement you can do.

Try this one :) - antialias - 2002-05-23

Fast kde start: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=1332 and it works :) Cheers

Re: Try this one :) - Anonymous - 2002-05-23

> and it works :) No, and don`t complain if KDE misbehaves with this start script.

Re: Try this one :) - antialias - 2002-05-24

Yes, you're right. I used it for a short period of time and it couses problems. Sorry :(

Re: Try this one :) - Daniël - 2002-05-23

Nice tip! Put it in KDE 3.02 please!

Re: Try this one :) - Andy Goossens - 2002-05-23

Never going to happen! That script is full with dirty hacks

Re: Try this one :) - Jonsum Sim - 2002-05-24

The script "works" by failing to initialise several things needed by KDE apps. The result is that startup is quicker, but starting applications is slower (and uses more memory).

You are confused! - Morty - 2002-05-23

So what if going from KDM to the desktop takes 1 minute or 5, it does not matter. Really how many times a day do you loggin? Whats matters are all services starts correctly like aRts, DCOP etc so you don't get strange behaviour and crashes. The speed witch matters are things like rendring of web pages in khtml, open/save, copy/move/delete of files etc. Things like the work you do all day. And the startuptime of the apps, but the important ones are the small ones. The ones you start, do someting and close. Not the big apps like browser/wordprocessor/ide, you usually keep them open til you are finished, you don't close your browser and restart it to go to the next site do you. So speed doing the things those programs do, are more important than startup time.

Re: You are confused! - Daniël - 2002-05-23

Well, you are right. But, I don't have my computer powered on all day. The startup of Linux is already quite long, add to that the startup time of KDE, and it becomes irritating. The speed of KDE while it is running is not perfect, but acceptable.

Re: You are confused! - Vic - 2002-05-23

From what I've read and experienced, it's a lot easier on computer hardware to leave it running all the time than to be constantly powering it off and on. we have 3 PCs in our apartment (2 desktops and a server) and they all run 24/7, and I haven't had a single problem with any of them (the server just passed the 100 day uptime mark :)

Could someone actually DEAL WITH the problem? - Anonymous - 2002-05-23

I'm on a laptop. Leaving my machine up all the time is not an option. KDE's start time is long. It's annoying. Rather than telling this person his complaint isn't valid, or he's confused, or saying that the only available solution is a 'dirty, dirty hack', could someone actually work on this and make a solution that isn't a hack?

Re: Could someone actually DEAL WITH the problem? - horst - 2002-05-24

Amen to that! And while somewhat is working on this, could someone else fix the khtml (konqueror and kmail) printing problems that have existed since version 2. Konqueror and Kmail still either cut off lines or repeat lines on the bottom of one page at the top of the next page.

Re: Could someone actually DEAL WITH the problem? - Waldo Bastian - 2002-05-24

I fixed that today for KDE 3.1, there is still a bit of a problem with CSS-specified margins but once that is sorted out I hope to be able to backport it to KDE 3.0.2 (whenever that is) Cheers, Waldo

Re: Could someone actually DEAL WITH the problem? - Anonymous - 2002-05-24

Release plan says end of June for KDE 3.0.2.

Re: Could someone actually DEAL WITH the problem? - horst - 2002-05-24

Fantastic!!! I'm looking forward to seeing the print fix!

Re: Could someone actually DEAL WITH the problem? - Morty - 2002-05-24

Right, somebody is working on it, but not on KDE, and only Linux. http://lwn.net/2002/0523/a/swsusp.php3 Solving the problem the right way for laptops.:)

Re: Could someone actually DEAL WITH the problem? - alex - 2002-05-25

cool. you made my point for me, but with a good reference to join it ;-)

Re: Could someone actually DEAL WITH the problem? - alex - 2002-05-25

cool. you made my point for me, but with a good reference to join it ;-)

Re: How about the speed - ac - 2002-05-23

One minute! I have a slower computer than you and it only takes 15 seconds. Perhaps you could try moving your .kde out the way to see if it is causing the slowdown. Maybe clearing out /tmp would help. Definitely a problem with your setup, anyway.

Re: How about the speed - ik - 2002-05-24

fairly important speed tip: if you use a distribution (like debian) that cleans up /tmp regularry/at boottime, its a good thing to remove the symlink .kde/tmp-<hostname> and creating a directory instead. So restarting kde after wiping out /tmp (after boot) goes a lot faster.

Can i upgrade from kde 3.0 - The Arcangel - 2002-05-23

I have MDK 8.2 and i have installed kde3, but i observe this a upgrade from kde 2. Exist a trick to do that upgrade, or i go back and install kde2? :/ TheARC

MS File Dialog Sidebar Fix? - steve - 2002-05-23

Is the giant sidebar still there on every File Dialog, or was the fix to toggle it off backported into 3.0.1?

Re: MS File Dialog Sidebar Fix? - Carsten Pfeiffer - 2002-05-24

No, the fix is not there, because it would have introduced a new string ("Hide/show Sidebar") and the translators apparently didn't like that. See http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-core-devel&m=101563925223073&w=2 for the patch.

Re: MS File Dialog Sidebar Fix? - Rob Kaper - 2002-05-25

Actually, it is policy not to introduce new i18n messages after the message freeze and in stable releases. Just pointing out they are in their right not to like it and not just whining.

Re: MS File Dialog Sidebar Fix? - Carsten Pfeiffer - 2002-05-26

Of course it is their right. But with that decision, there is this small usability problem, not going away for several months. I know the policy, but I dislike their decision.

Re: MS File Dialog Sidebar Fix? - ac - 2002-05-26

You're right, this is a huge deal. But unfortunately you did not make this clear when you posted your patch, and the translator thought this was a new feature not a usability fix. Oh well, miscommunications happen.

Re: MS File Dialog Sidebar Fix? - Anonymous - 2002-05-26

Bind it to F9 without meny entry.

Problem with flash. - Dyzio - 2002-05-23

I have a big problem with flash on Mandrake 8..2 with KDE 3.0.1. It doezn't work. I don't know why. Any tips ? P.S. Sorry about my english.

Re: Problem with flash. - obi - 2002-05-23

maybe. Remove all mesa libs from your system and check if it works (actually I forgot which rpm was the culprit, but it was definatly something from Mesa).

Re: Problem with flash. - antialias - 2002-05-24

# rpm -qa | grep Mesa libMesaGLU1-4.0.1-4mdk # rpm -e libMesaGLU1-4.0.1-4mdk error: removing these packages would break dependencies: libGLU.so.1 is needed by xlockmore-5.01.2-4mdk libGLU.so.1 is needed by libqt3-3.0.4-2mdk libGLU.so.1 is needed by XFree86-4.2.0-11mdk #

Re: Problem with flash. - antialias - 2002-05-24

# rpm -qa | grep Mesa libMesaGLU1-4.0.1-4 # rpm -e libMesaGLU1-4.0.1-4 error: removing these packages would break dependencies: libGLU.so.1 is needed by xlockmore-5.01.2-4 libGLU.so.1 is needed by libqt3-3.0.4-2 libGLU.so.1 is needed by XFree86-4.2.0-11 #

Re: Problem with flash. - Dyzio - 2002-05-25

Remove Mesa ? No way.

Re: Problem with flash. - danny - 2002-08-26

you can force it:) it is the only way of getting it fixed

Re: Problem with flash. - DavyBrion - 2002-05-23

flash also doesn't work here in konq 3.0.1 (allthough it worked perfectly in konq 3.0) i don't have anything mesa related installed though

Bug #42179 - Tilo Ulbrich - 2002-05-23

Can a developer watch this bug an rate them? http://bugs.kde.org/db/42/42179.html Please fix it for the next (bug-fix) release. Greetings, Tilo

Re: Bug #42179 - Waldo Bastian - 2002-05-24

This has been mostly fixed already but didn't seem to have made it into 3.0.1 Cheers, Waldo

Re: Bug #42179 - A - 2002-05-24

but it is fixed in some packages (at least the SuSE ones)

Re: Bug #42179 - Dawit A. - 2002-05-25

With the exception of the first one part of the report you mean. That was not even fixed in HEAD branch and backported until last night :) Regards, Dawit A.

KDE 3.1 won't install on Mandrake 8.1 - Cockney - 2002-05-24

I am not a Guru nor am I an idiot. I downloaded the RPMS from Mandrake. Many failed dependancies. The main failed dependancy lib-qt-mt rpm almost cannot be found anywhere. After finding it in contribs, installing it, I find that everything is all toasted. The KDM is broken and 2 of everything seems to start up and crash. I get the Linux Guru sitting next to me to tear apart my entire install and he is baffled. He says it is a waste of time. I am not being funny here but I started out with 50 people using Mandrake and KDE here in my office now I have a remainder of 4 including me. All of our servers still run Mandrake and it is incredibly reliable. Kde 3.1 looks so sweet but it is a shame that in the past two years that I have been fighting to keep my users on the KDE desktop, nothing has improved where the installation, maintenance, and compatabilities are concerned. It just won't cut it unless you have alot of time to play around with your broken computer. My users don't. They have to work. I personally don't have time to killall -9 mozilla-bin every 10 minutes for each user. Nor do I have time to figure out how to get open office in the start menu. It is a real shame. From what I saw, KDE 3.0 is the best yet. Just one problem. We can't use it because it won't install.

Re: KDE 3.1 won't install on Mandrake 8.1 - Carbon - 2002-05-24

Complain elsewhere, specifically, to the Mandrake people. The KDE developers do not make any of the binary packages, they release only source. The Mandrake packages are generally known to be rather broken, so go deal with them or compile from source, as installation of binaries is a distribution issue, not a KDE development issue. This is true for a good reason : if every bit of software, or even large software, had its own binary installation system, there would be too many opportunities for conflict, and it would be difficult to upgrade everything to the latest version. Distribution packaging eliminiates both these problems, but only if the packages are made well, as is not (seemingly) the case with Mandrake and KDE3.

Re: KDE 3.1 won't install on Mandrake 8.1 - Cockney - 2002-05-30

Your comments do not help the fact that all of the hard work that the KDE developers put in is useless to people like me. Sure, spend all of your time creating this wonderful environment that is going to revolutionize Linux and bring it to the mainstream and Joe shmoe can't use it because it is nearly impossible to get it, install it, making it impossible to use it. There is no blaming going on here. You are the person blaming. I brought up a point. I didn't point. You did. Tell your story to my Grandad who uses a computer at least 4 hours a day. He will have no clue what you are talking about. You make no sense what so ever to the general computer user. Tell your story to my users. They don't care what you have to say here. They just wonder why they can't use a better version of their broken desktop environment. I know enough to know that the problem is larger than KDE. There is a problem with the entire free software model. There is strong unity in some areas and then there are people like you who say it's not so and so's problem it is the other guys problem. The normal computer user would sit down at a computer running KDE and say, " So, this is Linux huh?" You would say, " no, this is KDE" You just completely baffled the man. Most people look at the gui as being part of the distro. But you are so smart you are stupid. Try looking at this from the normal users point of view. The guy that just wants to do his work or browse the net. He could care less about your snide opinions and finger poining. He just wants his stuff to work. He wants to push a couple of buttons and when he comes back, everything will be updated and new. Don't tell me about automated updates for Linux, they all suck. You have to be a 10 year Linux vet to set them up and half the sources come from some guys home pc with a Roadrunner Account. The problem is not Mandrake or KDE, it is the entire Free software model. I know the dillema I know there is no immediate answer. I am not complaining, except about your comments. I know Linux is wonderful. It will never cut it on the desktop with this type of model or unless people like KDE and Mandrake pull together. It is a shame that all the hard work gets put in to KDE to make it feesible for the normal guy but the normal guy will never use it. Mandrake trys to make their distro feesible for the normal guy. Because they can't talk to each other the whole thing is mute and a waste of energy and time. Blah!

Re: KDE 3.1 won't install on Mandrake 8.1 - Carbon - 2002-05-31

Regardless of your political views on open source, your grandpa's computer experience, your various opinions on how development models work and don't work, your strange idea that I've blamed you for something, and other off topic banter, you are missing the point: the KDE developers do not package the binaries! The distributions do! Irregardless of the merits of that idea (and it does have merits, by the way) that's the way it is now, and so asking the KDE developers about packaging is thoroughly futile, since they don't package the software. Furthermore, the KDE developers are not making KDE specifically so that you personally can use Linux without any trouble. They're developing it for their own ends (including, for example, thin client networks which have different GUI needs, and as a power user GUI), and if that isn't good enough, then help out or use something else. And if that's not feasible, then you'll just have to rough it, because the KDE developers don't owe you anything, especially not personal feature request development, and most certainly not personal feature request development in packages that they aren't even working on in the first place.

Re: KDE 3.1 won't install on Mandrake 8.1 - cockney - 2002-05-31

I do not disagree with you. I can see the other side of the story. I apologize for my rant and any specifics pointed tward you personally. KDE would be the easiest thing for a Windows user to migrate to if they where to migrate to a DTE that runs on the Linux platform. That is why it was chosen for my network. It seems to me, that is what the goal is for the KDE development team. Not only are they trying thier best to emulate Windows, they are trying their best to make it better than Windows. To me, this means they are trying to get the attention of the Windows users out there that want to try something else but they don't particularly want to learn something different. KDE has come along in leaps and bounds since the first day I used it over 3 years ago. I am afraid that some of my frustrations are shared by thousands of others that already gave up. Another point was brought to my attention today. A person could always wait for the next box release of Mandrake and they would easily install Mandrake with KDE and it would most likely run very well on first boot. Other DTE such as Windows do not allow you to upgrade your shell using something like Windows update. You have to wait until the next distrtibution of that entire platform before you can see upgrades to the GUI. Some times freedom blinds people like me. I have the freedom to upgrade my DTE without waiting for the next Mandrake distro to hit the shelves. Kudos to the KDE development team. On another note, I do support free software. I write piece for a local technology magazine every once in a while in support of Linux. I am the keeper of 22 servers running Mandrake in a production environment. We used to have 50+ users using KDE, but sadly, I couldn't keep them on it because they couldn't do their work and my work load was immense because of it. All of my servers have more than one year uptime. We do share much of our source with every one and certain projects. I have set up networks for schools who cannot afford Windows. I have stood at trade shows for the LUG and harped about KDE and Linux. Please don't get me wrong. I only relay the frustrations of the people that have come back to me voicing their frustrations. I don't think that anyone owes me anything. I have never submitted a feature request. I do think that KDE is being developed for the average user and not so much the power user whether it is run on a thin client network or not. I do think that a big chunk of the goal is to let people run Linux without any trouble. I do think that many wish that Linux wasn't seen as a hobby that gets installed on that 10 year old computer that they where about to dump. It does seem that the one thing that hasn't changed is the collaboration between the creators of the distributions and the creators of the desktop environment. If KDE and Mandrake where one team instead of 2 seperate teams, things might turn out a little better for everyone. I know there is something wrong with that thought and I know there are numerous arguments against everything that I say, but I feel that what I say is a valid point. BTW, I did take the advice of other posters to this thread. I downloaded the RPMS from the obscure location that was suggested. After 5 hours of dependancies and crashes, I have managed to log in to my new Kdesktop environment. I like it more than any other release so far although the RPMS didn't support duel head. Again, Kudos.

Re: KDE 3.1 won't install on Mandrake 8.1 - damjan - 2003-02-20

I agree to some extent that free software model is inferior to the commercial distributions of other OSs. My story is something like your grandpa's except i am an computer scientist which got too cosy with windows and is now having a hard time trying to make anything new work on linux. Even installing MesaGL (OpenGL for Linux) was frustrating, because nothing gets done without a lot of command-line work, typing strange things into files deep below surface i hoped to never need to know about. Not to mention that you have to find out what actually is wrong in the windenesses of internet, because distributors do not want to admit how much could get wrong. My opinion is linux still has a long way to go to win the wide public.

Re: KDE 3.1 won't install on Mandrake 8.1 - bg - 2002-10-19

Thanks asshole

Re: KDE 3.1 won't install on Mandrake 8.1 - sm - 2003-02-19

Once again, the maturity of the users in the Linux community is displayed. Disagree with linux user, and be called a axxhole, fag, nitwit, idiot, stupid, jerk, moron, fuxxhead, fuxx off, fuxxwad, etc, etc. Keep up the good work.

Re: KDE 3.1 won't install on Mandrake 8.1 - daniel - 2002-05-24

the kde-packages from mandrake are broken. take the packages from textar !! look at www.gui-lords.com. then go under download. the package are really *very* good. I also use them daniel

Re: KDE 3.1 won't install on Mandrake 8.1 - daniel - 2002-05-24

the kde-packages from mandrake are broken. take the packages from textar !! look at www.gui-lords.com. then go under download. the package are really *very* good. I also use them daniel

Re: KDE 3.1 won't install on Mandrake 8.1 - Bryan Feeney - 2002-05-25

I hear you on Mandrake. I've installed 7.2, 8.0 and 8.1 on standard Dell machines (the last two on the same one). Every time I hit the same bugs, the mouse wheel test mucks up the mouse driver 90% of the time (and this is a normal MS-Intellimouse), and every time I've hand picked packages only to find the installer hasn't installed them. It took about four months of solid tinkering before I got my 8.1 system running. When 8.2 came out, I ignored it, got the 2.4.18 kernel RPM from the download site, and the KDE 2.2.2 and XFree4.2 RPMs from Texstar (http://www.pclinuxonline.com). Both times I've waited about two weeks for the RPMs to settle down - as Mandrake has been releasing seriously broken KDE RPMs lately (witness the amount of changed in KDE 3.0 - they're on version 4 or 5 of the RPMS). I realise there's a huge rush for the distros to get the RPMs out, but Mandrake shouldn't put them up until obvious bugs have been fixed. I love Mandrake, I love what they've done for Linux on the desktop, I think the Control Centre is brilliant, but I've had so much grief with the distros that right now, if I ever upgrade (and I'm in no rush), it'll be to something like Debian or SuSE. As far as offices go, people should wait for the next boxed distro, or at least have a test machine to test RPMs before deploying them - letting everyone try to upgrade their own machines themselves the minute new stuff comes out is a recipe for disaster, no matter what OS you use.

Re: KDE 3.1 won't install on Mandrake 8.1 - Anonymous - 2002-05-31

I doubt you downloaded KDE 3.1 rpms.

Meant it won't install on 8.2 - Cockney - 2002-05-24

Meant it won't install on 8.2

build problems :( - Jeroen Jacobs - 2002-05-24

Hi, I'm having trouble compiling KDE 3.0.1. When I compile kdelibs, it complains that it can't find mcopidl (or something like that). As far as I know, mcopidl is part of KDE. So, do I need KDE in order to compile KDE ? Looks strange to me.... (kdelibs is the first package I have to compile, right ?) Please help, Jeroen

Re: build problems :( - zyta2k - 2002-05-24

(kdelibs is the first package I have to compile, right ?) WRONG !! alsa first ! in alsa you'll find mcopidl ;) alsa -> kdelibs -> kdebase

Re: build problems :( - zyta2k - 2002-05-24

(kdelibs is the first package I have to compile, right ?) WRONG !! alsa first ! in alsa you'll find mcopidl ;) alsa -> kdelibs -> kdebase

Re: build problems :( - Carsten - 2002-05-24

Are you sure that you have aRts compiled and installed? cvs co -r ARTS_1_0_BRANCH is the correct branch IIRC. Compile it and install it. Next is kdelibs.

Re: build problems :( - k1ckm3 - 2002-07-10

mcopidl is in the arts-devel package :)

Bug #41260: kicker and xinerama - Timo Kosig - 2002-05-24

Anyone knows something about the state of bug #41260? Will this issue be fixed in kde 3.0.2, or is it not yet know what causes this bug. Still one kde-loving user out here who can't use kicker and xinerama together. :( Anyone willing to help or have a suggestion mail me, will send all needed additional information to help to fix this bug. Bye, Timo.

Re: Bug #41260: kicker and xinerama - silcndrgn - 2002-06-02

I didn't have this problem with 3.0.0 & qt 3.0.3... but now something on my system has changed with 3.0.1 & qt 3.0.4. Xinerama crashes kicker. I also have tried moving back to my old configuration without any luck. Grr... Is there any hope? My workstation has been unusuable for over a week!

Re: Bug #41260: kicker and xinerama - Stuart Caunt - 2002-06-13

I've been having this problem too - upgrading from kde2 to kde3 on a pc running Debian and finding that kicker hangs when running in xinerama mode (but not single screen mode). Well, I think that xinerama is now working for me: in /tmp I removed all kde-*, ksocket-*, mcop-* directories and .ICE-unix directory (actually I removed the .X* directories too for good measure...). The .ICE-unix directory seems to be the important one and all these I think were left over from the kde2 installation. Anyway, started up kde3 again in xinerama mode and everything works fine. Hope you too have similar luck! Stuart

Source diffs - Hywel Mallett - 2002-05-25

I'm surprised no-one's mentioned these yet, specifically their lack of availability. However if anyone does want them, some can be found at http://www.hmallett.co.uk -> Computing -> Diffs -- Hywel Mallett

Poor quality of SuSE 7.2 packages - yves - 2002-05-27

I've downloaded i386 packages from suse, and the following things are not ok: - their QT is apparently not compiled with xft (using my cvs qt-copy xft is ok) - They somehow have a put a KDE2.2.2 splashscreen with KDE3.0.1 and that from suse...

SuSE7.3 packages broken ? - evdsande - 2002-05-31

After upgrading my SuSE 7.3 box with the 3.0.1 packages from there site, I was left with a broken system. My box wouldn't start kdm anymore giving my messages that configuration files were having wrong settings and libraries failed dependencies. I'm able to startup X using the startx command but my box does't get into runlevel 5 properly anymore. Anyone else who's having the same experience or knows the answer. Best Regards, Eric