JUN
27
2002

KOffice 1.2beta2 is Out!

KOffice 1.2beta2 is out, sporting an impressive number of changes, with improvements all around the board including substantial filter enhancements, footnotes in KWord, and templates in KSpread. "This release, which is available in
56
languages, includes
a frame-based, full-featured word processor
(KWord);
a presentation application;
(KPresenter);
a spreadsheet application;
(KSpread);
a flowchart application;
(Kivio);
business quality reporting software;
(Kugar);
and two vector-drawing applications (alpha)
(Kontour and
Karbon14).
Additionally, KOffice includes robust embeddable charts
(KChart)
and formulas
(KFormula)
as well as a built-in thesaurus (KThesaurus)
and numerous import and export
filters." Read the full announcement for details. Huge congrats to the KOffice team for their hard work and dedication, and kudos to Dre for writing the announcement. Wooo!

Comments

It's also been released to Fink unstable (no binary packages, those will be released with the upcoming KDE 3.0.2 release, doing lots of building right now =).


By Ranger Rick at Thu, 2002/06/27 - 5:00am

what causes the difference?


By ferdinand at Thu, 2002/06/27 - 5:00am

I doubt any of these languages is up-to-date yet as there was no message freeze before the beta was tagged.


By Anonymous at Thu, 2002/06/27 - 5:00am

FOOTNOTES ! yay! Finally, Kword is coming to the scientists....

Marc


By Marc at Thu, 2002/06/27 - 5:00am

Well neither the word *.doc filter nor the *.rtf filter import any footnotes at all.

Also the GUI for footnotes sucks, you have to configure EVERY SINGLE fottnote, instead of just entering it and changiong sensible defaults where appropriate. Well, that will hopefully be corrected. [HINT: Standard for Insert footnote should be autmatically numbering, nothing else!]

Well, I guess that's why it is a beta... :-)


By Moritz Moeller-... at Thu, 2002/06/27 - 5:00am

Too bad and I was really looking forward to write a short paper with Kword :(

Marc


By Marc at Thu, 2002/06/27 - 5:00am

Huh? You don't have to configure every single footnote. Press Enter on the dialog that comes up when inserting a footnote - just like in e.g. openoffice (and probably other suites too).
The "configure" button in that dialog does bring up a GLOBAL footnote config dialog, where you can choose the type of numbering they should have etc.
Some footnotes can have a custom text (like (*) or (i)), and the other still have 1, 2, 3... that's why that's in the dialog for every footnote.
But pressing Enter does what you want, anyway.

> Well neither the word *.doc filter nor the *.rtf filter import any footnotes at all.
Well, one thing at a time. How could they do that before, since KWord didn't have footnotes at all? Now they _can_, as soon as someone makes them.


By David Faure at Thu, 2002/06/27 - 5:00am

Yup, looks nice. A keyboard-shotcut without the menu and press an extra enter-key would be nice ;-) Is there an easy way to go back to the main text after entering the footnote?

Bye

Thorsten


By Thorsten Schnebeck at Thu, 2002/06/27 - 5:00am

You can always associate a shortcut with a menu item ("configure shortcuts"), but you'll still get the dialog of course.
Does any other word processor have a shortcut for inserting a footnote without showing the dialog?
For reference, openoffice and MSWord both show a similar 'small dialog' when doing Insert / Footnote.


By David Faure at Fri, 2002/06/28 - 5:00am

In the impossible-to-figure-out Word shortcut dialog, there is an extra 'insert-footnote-automatically' (or something like that) that doesn't pop up the dialog. This doesn't appear anywhere outside of the shortcut dialog though, however it is very very useful. So just making another KAction with no dialog would be fine.

Jason


By Jason Katz-Brown at Fri, 2002/06/28 - 5:00am

Ah, forgot to answer about jumping back. That's in the RMB menu (anywhere on the footnote frameset IIRC). No keyboard shortcut though - although here again "configure shortcuts" might even work for this action.


By David Faure at Fri, 2002/06/28 - 5:00am

OK, maybe I was too fast in handing out judgement. I am normally using lyx and there entering a footnote means I start writing the footnote, not choosing the numbering type in my 20th footnote in a row. Why configure it at all? 90% of the time people want numbers.¹ If they don't, let those 10% go to the menue to configure the footnote.

This is the same concept as the starting dialog of kword, which I don't like either, even though I understand the rationale behind it.

I think the other post about a way to jump back and forth between text and footnote is insightful (clicking on the footnote number is used in OO.o I think).

Apart from the filters deficits kword looks excellent and is a speedy sob.

--

¹ Totally grabbed out of the air number.... :-)


By Moritz Moeller-... at Thu, 2002/06/27 - 5:00am

Look at openoffice and msword - they both have that dialog when inserting a footnote.
I'm happy to remove it (and let it be accessible on RMB only), if that's what people want, though.


By David Faure at Fri, 2002/06/28 - 5:00am

File a bug report...


By Norbert at Fri, 2002/06/28 - 5:00am

Well neither the word *.doc filter nor the *.rtf filter import any footnotes at all.

I don't know what about beta2 but KWord from current CVS can import footnotes from RTF documents. I implemented it a few days ago.


By Tomasz Grobelny at Fri, 2002/06/28 - 5:00am

More like anyone above 3rd grade


By meme at Thu, 2002/06/27 - 5:00am

Sometimes I wonder about some scientists. They will know how to cure cancer soon, but how do I format that floppy disk again?
But if 3rd Graders can understand it then maybe there is hope for my supervisor !

Marc


By Marc at Thu, 2002/06/27 - 5:00am

Well, that's what they call 'division of labor'. For a top-notch cancer researcher it's just easier to give that floppy to one of his graduate students than to format it by himself. Nothing wrong with that. And who still uses floppies anyways?


By kavau at Thu, 2002/06/27 - 5:00am

> And who still uses floppies anyways?

Lots of people use floppies. For example, anyone trying to install an OS on a box without a CD drive, or without a BIOS that supports CD booting. Or, anyone who wants to get a few hundred kilobytes of data to an unnetworked box and doesn't want to waste time looking for a machine with a CD burner. Or, anyone with an old unnetworked box who wants to get data out of that machine and into something else. Or, someone wanting to set up a diskless terminal server system without an expensive bootrom writer. Floppies are great because they're expendible and universal. They aren't perfect, but they don't have to be.

Long live the floppy! :-)


By Carbon at Thu, 2002/06/27 - 5:00am

You're begging the question. Who has a box without a CD drive? Or without a BIOS that supports CD booting? Or an unnetworked box?


By Chuckie Schumer at Thu, 2002/06/27 - 5:00am

I do. Next question? ;-)


By Roberto Alsina at Thu, 2002/06/27 - 5:00am

I bought a 12 year old SparcStation IPC last weekend, and spent a night installing debian with 2 floppies. (the only 2 good ones I could find)

Its only 25mhz, but hell, I even got the BNC (thinnet) tranceiver working, and installed X4. ;)

Heh, kinda cool considering it only has a monochrome video card, and that I have to use mousekeys in X since the mouse it broke. Elephant 19" monitor though ;)


By John Hughes at Fri, 2002/06/28 - 5:00am

Cool, how does XFree86 perform on this machine?

Marc


By Marc at Fri, 2002/06/28 - 5:00am

What I miss the most is something on the line of endnote/reference manager for linux. Something that can download references from the web databases (such as http://www.pubmed.org), manage these references in one or many databases and format them in the document for a given journal. I would do it myself, but I lack both the time and expertise do build such a thing.

It would also be good to have embeded latex in koffice. You could use it to build complex symbols and equations in documents, legends in graphics, etc... Something like the TeX plugins for sketch.

BTW: Congrats for the LaTeX export filter! That is something I was craving for quite some time :)


By apoptoz at Thu, 2002/06/27 - 5:00am

Ever heard of pybliographic? Combined with LyX it's a dream.


By fperez at Thu, 2002/06/27 - 5:00am

It has pubmed searching and works very well with my 300 citations and lyx. It is of course bibtex based.


By Moritz Moeller-... at Thu, 2002/06/27 - 5:00am

Yes, I know pybib and latex. But why not include something like that for koffice? A pybibliographer frontend, I belive, would be much apreciated.

It's just a naïve sugestion.


By apoptoz at Fri, 2002/06/28 - 5:00am

I know this is an old old thread, but hey.

OpenOffice does have the possiblity to create footnotes on the fly w/o the dialog (i mapped this to Ctrl-F in German Version of it (Choose->Tools->Customize->Keyboard->Insert->Footnote directly or sth like that), in EN use sth else as this is taken bei "Find/Replace")..

Also, jumping from text to footnote can be mapped in a similar way using "Navigation->To Anchor/Footnote" e.g. to Ctrl-J. Just highlight the fn you want to work on and hit it :)

To go back, use Pg-Up and that's it.

I think that's the way it should be, though in don't know how it's done in KWord, sorry. So this is a bit on the off-topic-side-of-things.

Cheers
Jeremias


By JR at Wed, 2007/09/05 - 5:00am

Koffice beta2 is out.. great news! On the other side I simple ask:
are there people interested in development of kparts to link every
koffice applications (especially Kspread) with R (..from R-Project - www.r-project.org)?

Could be great too.. have an app like SPSS or S-Plus.. or an external extension
to Kspread to do this.

Developers hurry up! R need a GUI.. and KDE/QT is perfectly for this! ;)


By Daniel San at Thu, 2002/06/27 - 5:00am

Rohan Sadler (rsadler@agric.uwa.edu.au) posted this:

What I want to know is this: can anyone give me a quote on what it will
cost to develop a RWindows clone of the Minitab GUI. This GUI would
support initially the simple six (EDA, probabilities and quantiles of
distributions, t-tests,one-way anova, chi-square, and simple linear
regression), and have the potential to develop into the next level of
statistical analysis (glms, multivariate methods, time series and
spatial - analytical problems common across our faculty). If the cost of
development is comparable to present licence maintenance fees at FNAS
then I think our small group can argue for its adoption.

To the r-help mailing list. If anyone is interested in kludging up and supporting a simple GUI, on windows for money, email him, not me.


By Nels at Fri, 2002/06/28 - 5:00am

Cool! I'm a statistician student and actually we work with SPSS. I'm surprising
that universities pays a lot of money with fee and didn't realize a basic tool for this
purpose. R exists but is unusable from console; i think that a simple GUI could
solve a lot of problem and all the KDE apps could benefit of statistical models
and a stabilized-killerapp like R with script capabilities.

GNOME gui exists.. mmm well, if this could be called gui! Why not KDE?
I'm not a developer but i think that existing code is there for the other
R-gui project, how many time could be spent to do this KDE/Qt gui?


By Ogg Demon at Sat, 2002/06/29 - 5:00am

GNOME gui for R: blah..


By Ogg Demon at Sat, 2002/06/29 - 5:00am

Well.. look these:

Developers info:
http://developer.R-project.org
Possibility:
GDAL - R bindings to Frank Warmerdam's Geospatial Data Abstraction Library
- http://keittlab.bio.sunysb.edu/R/GDAL/


By Anastasia at Sat, 2002/06/29 - 5:00am

I am at work now, so I am anxious to get home and try out the new KOffice beta2. I do have a question though about KSpread. In 1.2beta1, I can't figure out how to center a spreadsheet on the page when priniting. I've looked in the page setup but can't seem to find it anywhere. This should be easy, but either it's not possible (which I can't believe since I consider this a basic feature) or I am a dummy and can't find it (most likely this option lol). At any rate, can someone tell me how this is done?

Congrats KOffice team on the new release, and thank you for continuing to give us a better office suite with each release.

Paul.....


By Paul Hawthorne at Thu, 2002/06/27 - 5:00am

I have added some more print functionality to KSpread, but couldn't finish all of what I wanted to in time.
Sorry, centerd output is on my list but wasn't ready when we encountered feature and message freeze. This has to wait for KO 1.3 :-/
Dito for "fit to nxm pages".


By Philipp at Fri, 2002/06/28 - 5:00am

Thanks for the reply Phillip. At least now I know it's not something I was overlooking. Things are looking good though, and I appreciate all you guys work. Any suggestions of an easy workaround to get my sheets centered? Thanks again for all you guys hard work.

Paul.....


By Paul Hawthorne at Fri, 2002/06/28 - 5:00am

There is no direct way to center.
You can only do it manually either by adjusting the page borders or by a "dummy" column (no borders, white background). Yes, this is no fun and everything but professional.
But you should at least place a wish item in the buck tracking system, so you get informed when this function is in cvs.


By Philipp at Fri, 2002/06/28 - 5:00am

...I'm still waiting for a decent SVG support.
How can I wait to user ksvg on kde 3.1 if I have to use a gnome app to create svg icons?


By Iuri Fiedoruk at Thu, 2002/06/27 - 5:00am

Karbon14 has svg export. It's not perfect but only bugreports and suggestions helps improve it.


By Lenny at Fri, 2002/06/28 - 5:00am

And about import?
SVG import was already on the last beta, but I could not open any svg file, so I can't work directaly with svg files.


By Iuri Fiedoruk at Fri, 2002/06/28 - 5:00am

Functional RedHat RPMS can be found at www.linux-easy.com/daily/. They're automated CVS builds, but I've installed them and preliminary testing shows that they seem to work okay.

Thank you Bero-Wan Kenobi. You're our only hope.

First impressions: way better than 1.1. Lack of true WYSIWYG turned me off to KWord until just now. It is a very welcome improvement. And not as crashy! That's always nice (maybe that was RedHat packaging). Import filters aren't perfect. There was no filter for the MIME type application/x-msword! I certainly hope that was packaging problem! The WP filter isn't pretty, but it's better than nothing. Excel filters are better but still not wonderful, but natively, it seems to work great. Then again, I'm not exactly pushing the limits yet. KWord and KSpread are all I need to be happy. Import/export filters are really my only complaint so far.


By ac at Fri, 2002/06/28 - 5:00am

About filters, yes it could be really improved. However, we're lack of developers here. Reading format spec, coding the filter, testing, and stuff like take a quite amount of time. If you understand C++ and Qt/KDE and are willing to help, you're very welcomed. Documentation writers and QA people are also very valuable. At minimum, should you experienced bugs, please report to bugs.kde.org. And join us at koffice-devel@kde.org


By ariya at Fri, 2002/06/28 - 5:00am

I'm probably most qualified to file bugs and leave it at that. I'm an English major. I can read code within limits, though. Maybe I'll try to look at the filter code and see if it's dumb enough for me ;)

I do realize, though, that it's unfair to criticize a product due to its inability to correctly reverse-engineer a competitor's complicated and always-changing formula, when basically the competitor doesn't have to worry about reverse-engineering anything from anyone else and can just spend its time tweaking the formula to piss everyone off.

Nevertheless, filters remain KOffice's most noticeable shortcoming. Not that it's the end of the world. But it does mean two word processors for me. One to use personally, and another to open attachments from other people.


By ac at Fri, 2002/06/28 - 5:00am

To make you happy: KSpread will get WYSIWYG in 1.3, too.
We didn't have the time to put it in this release.

About filter: I think enhancing the Excel filter is easier. So have fun with it :-)
We would like to hear from you :-)


By Norbert Andres at Fri, 2002/06/28 - 5:00am

> Import filters aren't perfect. There was no filter for the MIME type
> application/x-msword! I certainly hope that was packaging problem!
It seems that the input fiter is for application/msword instead of x-msword
Try to add a new mimetype application/msword and it should work.

Andrea


By andrea at Fri, 2002/06/28 - 5:00am

I suppose that all of these 'filters' are useful to some.

But, what I would really like is PostScript input.

I presume that this would need to use GhostScript.

--
JRT


By James Richard Tyrer at Fri, 2002/06/28 - 5:00am

Karbon14 has PS/EPS import by the way. The screeny at the bottom shows the
import of a "dynamic" PostScript file (with loops and rotations):
http://www.koffice.org/karbon/screenshots.phtml

And yes, we use ghostscript and don't have our own ps-interpreter (yet). ;)


By Lenny at Fri, 2002/06/28 - 5:00am

Dumb!

But, I can't figure out how to do that on 1.2Beta2.

So, I can't say if that will do what I need or not.

--
JRT


By James Richard Tyrer at Sat, 2002/06/29 - 5:00am

First: most postscript files work, but for example the famous tiger.eps doesn't work yet.
Second: it may help if you rename *.ps to *.eps. This needs to be fixed, that's right.


By Lenny at Sun, 2002/06/30 - 5:00am

Ah, ok. Werner found a bug. Please check the next beta.


By Lenny at Mon, 2002/07/01 - 5:00am

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