KDE Traffic #49 is Out

Kernel Cousin KDE #49 covers the upcoming KDE 3.1.2 release, the new Chilean KDE site, the KDE Developers' Conference, the results of the KOffice icon contest, KRename and much more. Get it from the usual source.


That was a very nice read, but the first link is broken, I am also sorry about the Koffice Icon Contest, maybe it should have been extended.

By Alex at Tue, 2003/05/06 - 5:00am

Which link is broken?

By Navindra Umanee at Tue, 2003/05/06 - 5:00am

Eyecandy link is broken, sorry I said it was the first one

By Alex at Tue, 2003/05/06 - 5:00am

There are several broken links in the KC:

| By Russell Miller,
| Fabrice Mous,
| Juergen Appel and
| KDE Traffic Team

| Now, go ahead for eye-candy or for shorts..

should be
| Now, go ahead for eye-candy or for shorts.

| www/announcements/changelogs/changelog3_1_1to3_1_2.php
| URL was not linked because it is not a valid URL as quoted.

can be replaced with
| changelog3_1_1to3_1_2.php

(www/announcements/... is not a broken URL, but the CVS position of that page)

Anyway, these are small issues, thanks for this very informative KC.

By Olaf Jan Schmidt at Tue, 2003/05/06 - 5:00am

Glad there's a contest ... most've my koffice apps hust use tiny white squares for their icons on the various toolbars.

By KDE Fanatic at Wed, 2003/05/07 - 5:00am

I liked how the newsflash was written.. good job :)

I think the koffice contest would have been a lot more successful if it were posted as a contest on the various art community sites, such as kde-look is nice, but is rather.. umm.. KDE specific.. most artists use Windows or MacOS, so if you want to reach them, you have to post on more general sites :)

By fault at Tue, 2003/05/06 - 5:00am

Tried but couldnt get it on :/

By cartman at Tue, 2003/05/06 - 5:00am

Why not just move kedit (or kwrite, or kate) into kdeextragear?

I think the best way to do it is:

kwrite - kdebase - keep kdebase slim.. most people only need a basic text editor.. not the power of kate..
kate - kdeutils - someone in the "remove kedit" thread mentioned that moving kate to kdesdk might be good. The presumption there is that kate is a programmer's text editor. It's not--- it's an advanced text editor than can be used as a programmer's text editor.
kedit - kdeextragear

By fault at Tue, 2003/05/06 - 5:00am

KDE Extra Gear isn't really a dumping ground, that's kdeblackhole. :-)

Seriously, why keep KEdit if it is being superceded by KWrite?

By anon at Tue, 2003/05/06 - 5:00am

Because at the moment it is the only editor that supports bi-di, this might change with Qt 3.2 which might be able to enable kate to also support it (for details, please read the lists).


By Daniel Molkentin at Tue, 2003/05/06 - 5:00am

And AFAIK it is only the only editor for editing UTF8...

By AC at Tue, 2003/05/06 - 5:00am

You can load utf-8 files into Kate if you select utf-8 encoding in the load/save file dialog. Or is this not what you meant?

By Apollo Creed at Tue, 2003/05/06 - 5:00am

Oh, thanks... well hidden but I found it :)

By AC at Tue, 2003/05/06 - 5:00am

I actually had to have it pointed out to me myself. If I had known it was there earlier, it would've saved me an evenings worth of work. ;) It really is well hidden...

By Apollo Creed at Wed, 2003/05/07 - 5:00am

Merge it and kill KEdit?

By Somebody at Tue, 2003/05/06 - 5:00am

I noticed that kedit behaves different to kwrite, when using copy & paste via both the mouse and the keyboard. kedit copies whole words (double-click) and pastes them always in the first column (whereas kwrite analyses the syntax, so you can e.g. copy numbers out of an url but unfortunately not whole "words". Also kwrite pastes everything at the current curser position, e.g. in the middle of the screen.) Moreover kedit additionally supports also copy and paste with the combinations CTRL-INSERT and SHIFT-INSERT and so behaves similar to notepad in Windows (or the old DOS editors/programming UIs :)

In general there is a little more overhead when using kwrite. It's greatest feature is however the highlighting.
kedit is then more productive when used by people who are(where) familiar with Windows/DOS. Though kedit remains only a spartan text editor.

My conclusion is that I would like very much that the (advantageous) copy&paste features of kedit would be moved also to other editors like kwrite!

(I would like to mention that kwrite does not support other charset/encodings like iso8859-2 (well, I could configure it under 'highlighting' and checked it with most fonts but the special characters are not shown, whereas kedit on the same installation can show them well!)

By David at Fri, 2003/05/09 - 5:00am

"why keep KEdit if it is being superceded by KWrite?"

Because it's smaller, less bloated, loads faster, and takes less RAM. It's good to have both a lightweight editor (like Windows' Notepad.exe) for viewing text files, taking temporary notes to and from the clipboard, etc., and a serious editor for coding and writing like Kate. I personally find KEdit more useful than KWrite because of this; if I want a quick job I'll pick KEdit, if I want a serious job I'll pick Kate; when should I use KWrite?

By Wiseman at Mon, 2005/08/15 - 5:00am

> The presumption there is that kate is a programmer's text editor. It's not--- it's an advanced text editor than can be used as a programmer's text editor.

Say what you will, but when you load Quanta+ you're loading a number of Kate interfaces and if they are not there then we have a problem. The packaging for Quanta would have added dependancies that make little sense. One of the reasons an app goes in kdelibs/kdebase is because other apps depend on it.

By Eric Laffoon at Tue, 2003/05/06 - 5:00am

Kate is an integral part of kdelibs, and that should never change within KDE 3.x.

But is the kate application really a integral part of kdebase? Quanta does not rely on the kate application (kdebase), but only the part/KTextEditor interface (kdelibs), no?

By fault at Tue, 2003/05/06 - 5:00am

kate -> kdesdk. it's a programmer's editor, kdesdk is where the programming tools go. it would fit in nicely with other bits of kdesdk like cervisia, IMHO.

By Aaron J. Seigo at Tue, 2003/05/06 - 5:00am

Noo, please: Don't throw it into kdesdk. It is GREAT for quick editing of HTML files and all sorts of text files a number of non-programmers do need and use Kate.

By Anonymous at Thu, 2003/05/08 - 5:00am

Throw it into kdesdk. And tell all of this distribution people like Mandrake, Redhat etc to abandon the "kdenetwork.rpm" approach. I want maybe KMail, but not Kppp (I have DSL). I definitely don't want to install 12 apps at once.

If the distributions would be saner, it would not make any difference if kate would be in kdesdk or in kdebase. Because then "kdebase" would just mean a CVS repository for Developers.

Holger, happily compiling from CVSUP :-)

By HolgerSchurig at Thu, 2003/05/08 - 5:00am

Actually, I'd say dump kwrite and kedit. Kate is by far the best, and really the only text editor that is needed for KDE (in my opinion). Since KDE is so modularized, I really see no need for multiple text editor applications. Sure MS Windows has Notepad and Wordpad, but that's just because Notepad is a simple dumpy little editor and Wordpad is for those who are too poor to buy office but need some type of a basic word processor. KDE doens't have to follow that route because it has Kate and far exceeds any other GUI text editor. Although a KJoe part would be nice but I bet it could be emulated with Kate somehow.

By Super PET Troll at Thu, 2003/05/08 - 5:00am

Re KD Chart (used as backend of KChart...)

How does the licensing of this work? Is it dual GPL / Commercial, ala Trolltech? Couldn't find info on the page.

By rjw at Tue, 2003/05/06 - 5:00am

Yes, exactly. The idea is that people shouldn't have to read yet another license text, so we are using exactly the same licenses (for the Commercial license with kind permission of Trolltech). The GPL version is in the KDE CVS repository and is synced on a regular basis with the Commercial version (which also comes with support and a nice manual).


Kalle Dalheimer

By Matthias Kalle ... at Mon, 2003/05/19 - 5:00am

KRename seems like a really cool application. I don't know if I could even count the number of times something like this would have come in hand. I have written numerous shell scripts for mass renaming of the years. Only last thing I could think of that would make this even better, well maybe cause it's just an idea off the top of my head, would be to have KRename also be a Konqueror sidebar.

By Super PET Troll at Thu, 2003/05/08 - 5:00am