KDE Traffic #50 is Out

KDE Traffic #50 has been released. This month it includes information about improvements to, KWord patches, OpenOffice filters and a forthcoming PDF import filter. In addition it adds coverage of two more mailing lists: kde-pim and kde-devel.


Thank you Russell and Juergen!!!

By fppp at Tue, 2003/05/13 - 5:00am

KDE traffic rocks!!!

By xox at Tue, 2003/05/13 - 5:00am

Lots of koffice changes this week... I noticed that it said that David Faure said that koffice is moving to the OpenOffice file format.. when is that expected to happen? I think it's a positive step.

Also, lots of posts by mosfet this week! Is he coming back to KDE development?

By Pal at Tue, 2003/05/13 - 5:00am

there was no specific date given..looks more like long-term-maybe. Mosfet is working on at least
one kde-project..i think it was about ksplash or the theme/style manager. guess it was the themer..

By Juergen Appel at Tue, 2003/05/13 - 5:00am

> I noticed that it said that David Faure said that koffice is moving to the OpenOffice file format..

that's surely a very very good idea!!!

In the same time they could use the MS-Office filters from OpenOffice... :-)

Once I wrote some lines about this idea here:

By Yves Glodt at Tue, 2003/05/13 - 5:00am

Don't forget that kword is frame based, while OpenOffice isn't.
For this reason it is not so obvious to move from a koffice DTD to an OpenOffice DTD.
Most likely the OpenOffice DTD can not hold the frame information. Perhaps that the
OpenOffice developers are willing to add the frame information, into their DTD.

By Anonyous at Tue, 2003/05/13 - 5:00am

Word certainly has the concept of a 'box containing text' which is roughly what a frame is. Since OpenOffice is compatible with word, presumably OpenOffice has a similar concept, and perhaps the implementation of this is sufficiently general to support Kword frames.

By cbcbcb at Tue, 2003/05/13 - 5:00am has remarkably good frame support. KWord does take it a bit further with the root object on the page being a frame, but OO.o has many frame-based features KWord doesn't. Not to say that KWord won't get there, though.


By Eron Lloyd at Wed, 2003/05/14 - 5:00am

Thank you Derek!

By anon at Tue, 2003/05/13 - 5:00am


By mario at Tue, 2003/05/13 - 5:00am

mod partent up ;)

[yeah, ./ has its (side)effects]

By stupid anon /.-... at Wed, 2003/05/14 - 5:00am

Hey! Dude, why don't you just Kreate a sKript that autoposts 'thanKs derek' on each new artiKle on the dot?!?!

But of Kourse don't forget to add in the cheKing loop something liKe this:

if (strpos(subject, "3.2 Realeased")) break;

bottomline: this Kind of Krazy stupid negative effects often happen when the masses expeKt something to happen (3.2 for example) but nothing happens - just a stupid posts that demonstrate a Kind of progress. masses i guess want at least 3.1.2 or something that is better than nothing. so may be we don't have blame this "stupid" dudes who post "thanKs dereK", and i am sure that if there was a new minor release there would not be such Krazy posts atleast for next 2-3 months. remember the philosophy of bazaar style - release often.

By Anton Velev at Wed, 2003/05/14 - 5:00am

So you would rather *not* know about what's happening in KDE development? And you think this applies to the average person reading the Dot? I don't think that most of the posts indicate this.

As you probably know the 3.1.x series is just bug fixes -- there's not as much fun in announcing what's going on there.

As for "release often" -- well, it depends on how you define that; I would say that KDE *does* release often relative to most development. That said, doing stuff takes time; some features take more than 3 months to implement. There needs to be a suitable gap between releases to allow for this type of work.

By Scott Wheeler at Wed, 2003/05/14 - 5:00am

Shut up, Anton.

By Navindra Umanee at Wed, 2003/05/14 - 5:00am

Why not just delete the post? I think deleting blatant trolls is the best policy to keep a forum clean and comfortable. Of course then he'll complain about censorship, but such complaints are to be expected and ignored.

By xox at Wed, 2003/05/14 - 5:00am

Well, that's a real troll, but never mind.
Good culture!

By Anton Velev at Thu, 2003/05/15 - 5:00am

Can't we just rename our Konqi into Derek now? ;)

By Datschge at Wed, 2003/05/14 - 5:00am

Don't delete posts. Sometimes, people migt be unjustly interpreted as trolls. Let us decide who isa troll and who just offers constructive criticism.

I do think users should bea ble to delete and edit their posts though.

By mario at Thu, 2003/05/15 - 5:00am

I just have one question... when did Yoda start reporting for KDE?

"Joyful was this received."

Dangle a participle we do, yes. :)

More importantly, the entire KOffice project is one of those I would absolutely love to love. Getting OpenOffice and PDF in and outta there will be a huge step in that direction. Still holding out hopes for reasonable HTML support as well.

A fella can dream can't he?

By Metrol at Wed, 2003/05/14 - 5:00am

What's up with the top of the panel menu? Isn't it supposed to be showing the last used programs? It just fills up with the 5 first used programs and then those stay there. I don't think it has ever worked, so why not get rid of it?

By tritone at Wed, 2003/05/14 - 5:00am

It seems to work for me.

The other day Gaim moved up a spot, and KBabel reappeared after an absence.

By Tim_F at Wed, 2003/05/14 - 5:00am

The default install, at least on my MDK, it shows the 5 most used programs. If you want the last used programs just change the setting in the panelconfig. Works ewery time for me :-) Personaly I like this better, my most used progs I have as shortcut s on Kicker and some on the desktop.

By Morty at Wed, 2003/05/14 - 5:00am

I just realized how it works, thanks.

By tritone at Wed, 2003/05/14 - 5:00am

I changed the option from most used to last used, but the change didn't take place until I logged in again, so that should be fixed.

By tritone at Fri, 2003/05/16 - 5:00am

OK, mine is set to show the 5 most often used apps, but I don't think it can possibly be working correctly. It shows "kaboodle", "kdevelop 3.0", and "system notifications". Every time I log into KDE, I am virtually guaranteed to start KMail, Konqueror and Noatun, so where are they?

I think it must only count apps launched directly from the KMenu, since I usually use kicker buttons or Alt+F2 to launch apps.

By LMCBoy at Wed, 2003/05/14 - 5:00am

It counts only apps lauched from K menu. I intend to extend this to Alt+F2 for KDE 3.2.

By binner at Thu, 2003/05/15 - 5:00am

hi folks, any insight on the 3.2 release schedule ? There is a dummy page at , but with no useful info at all as for today (they will update it some time I am sure)

Thanks !

By MandrakeUser at Wed, 2003/05/14 - 5:00am

By binner at Thu, 2003/05/15 - 5:00am

Thanks binner, I read part of it, it really is a long thread. All I could grasp is that most developers feel like there is still some considerable way to go before the first alpha. The current CVS head can corrupt user data, and this is unacceptable. I agree :-)

Cheers !

By MandrakeUser at Thu, 2003/05/15 - 5:00am

Can KDE_3_1_BRANCH be compiled with gcc 3.3? I tried with 3.4-cvs a while a go and got a whole lot of errors.

By cbcbcb at Thu, 2003/05/15 - 5:00am


By Anonymous at Fri, 2003/05/16 - 5:00am

Possibly with the right gcc options, but Qt definitely won't build with gcc 3.3 and -O3. gcc miscompiles uic, which means that the rest of the build fails. I don't know whether the main Qt libs are usuable or not.

Apparently, miscompiling with -O3 isn't a serious bug for gcc.

By mathpup at Sun, 2003/05/18 - 5:00am

But it worked with gcc-3.2.3!
I compiled kdelibs with -O3 and it crashed! Is this a bug a la "thread synch problem due to optimization" or a gcc bug?

By Ruediger Knoerig at Sat, 2003/05/31 - 5:00am

Thank you for this KDE traffic.

I think this Ingo "Klcker" and Ingo =?iso-8859-1?q?Kl=F6cker?= are very much related. Somebody should include URL decoding in the statistics engine.

The introduction of every summary is:
[ title ]
[date][ link to archive ]
[ editor ]
[ posters ]

It would be nice to also include the name of the mailing list on which those thread have been happening.

By Philippe Fremy at Fri, 2003/05/16 - 5:00am