KDE 3.2 Beta 2 "Dobra Voda" is Waiting For You

Our first KDE 3.2 Beta "Rudi" was a huge success and resulted in over 2000 resolved bugs. As the code still has some rough edges, we decided to go for another beta. So here it is: Dobra Voda. Please continue reporting problems you see with it, your testing is much appreciated. You can download Dobra Voda at Currently we have binaries for Fedora, Slackware and SUSE, besides the sources.


Once Konstruct gets updated I'll burn a few cycles and compile this baby. :) I've loved beta1 although it has had a few rough edges, will be interesting to see what has changed. Konqueror especially seems to be improved a lot based on the CVS-Digests.

By chakie at Mon, 2003/12/08 - 6:00am

From : "Unstable Version - This version installs the current unstable development releases of KDE and applications. Currently it gives a complete KDE 3.2 Beta 2 installation."

By Anonymous at Mon, 2003/12/08 - 6:00am

Is there any place with "bleeding edge" kde packages for debian?
I always used the CVS builds on but the last build is from Nov 5 AFAIK even pre beta1 not exactly what I'd call bleeding edge =)

By l/p: anonymous/... at Mon, 2003/12/08 - 6:00am

I've been wondering the same thing! I was using the CVS apt sources, but once they stopped updating I just went and compiled it from CVS for myself. Not quite as fast, is it? Well, for now that will have to suffice. Perhaps you could try getting in touch with the guy who was generating those packages and see what the status is. Probably he's just busy with final exams or something ;-)

By deaththrasher at Tue, 2003/12/09 - 6:00am

I was running kde 3.1.4+kontact and then upgraded to Dobra Voda(btw why is it named good water.....) and tried to run KMail well that didn't go very well because Kontact was using dimap and when I ran Kmail it couldn't read all the stuff that Kontact put in there.... I thought that Kontact synced with Kmail's sources. Should I put this on the buglist of kmail or Kontact?

By Boris Kurktchiev at Mon, 2003/12/08 - 6:00am

AFAIK, Dobra Voda is a Checz brand for mineral water. They probably had that a lot at Nove Hradi :-)

By André Somers at Mon, 2003/12/08 - 6:00am

Following that logic, 3.2 final must be named Budvar?

By Rob Kaper at Tue, 2003/12/09 - 6:00am

No, final would be Plzensky Pradsroj.

By Jaana at Tue, 2003/12/09 - 6:00am

Mmmm... Budvar

By Z at Tue, 2003/12/09 - 6:00am

Certainly Budvar :)) I'm bit of a patriot so nothing else is an option for me (I live in Ceske Budejovice (or Budweis for german-lovers)) :)))

By dragon at Wed, 2003/12/10 - 6:00am

Yeah, and that brand is named after the village of the same name, which is right next to Nove Hrady.

By Lukas Tinkl at Tue, 2003/12/09 - 6:00am

i would say that "Dobra Voda" has strong association with "vodka" for us :))

By somebody_from_russia at Tue, 2003/12/09 - 6:00am

Hmm, it seems that we forgot to think about an upgrade path for people who tried Kontact 0.2. I'd say you should file your bug report for the Mail component of Kontact.

By Ingo Klöcker at Tue, 2003/12/09 - 6:00am

Whenever a new build/release of KDE gets thrown into the wild, there are always requests for screenshots. Some screenshots will be posted, at random places, of random windows, using 'random' styles etc.

Wouldn't it be possible to create some nice script which make all kinds of magic DCOP calls and opens a 'standard' list of apps, snapshots each, if possible selects options in apps etc, snapshots those.

This way people could simply run that script, create a huge amount of usefull common screenshots, even using different styles/icons with ease.Hopefully this idea is somewhat new, here goes..

Whenever a new build/release of KDE gets thrown into the wild, there are always requests for screenshots. Some screenshots will be posted, at random places, of random windows, using 'random' styles etc.

Wouldn't it be possible to create some nice script which make all kinds of magic DCOP calls and opens a 'standard' list of apps, snapshots each, if possible selects options in apps etc, snapshots those.

This way people could simply run that script, create a huge amount of usefull common screenshots, even using different styles/icons with ease.

By ac at Mon, 2003/12/08 - 6:00am

Did somebody ask for random screenshots? :-)

If anybody wants me to take shots of particular things, just ask and I'll see if I can oblige.

By Tom at Tue, 2003/12/09 - 6:00am

please : KDE 3.2 screenshots with plastik theme.

sorry for my poor english

By pat at Tue, 2003/12/09 - 6:00am

The links above only contain screenies from kde using the plastik theme

By cies at Tue, 2003/12/09 - 6:00am

What about a screenshot of non-trasnparent panels, I want to see how the pager looks like. The pager in the transparent panel looks great but what about ordinary panels?

By nobody at Tue, 2003/12/09 - 6:00am

- make it available to debian, so everyone can try it with a simple apt-get.

Seriously. If debian users can expect to install/uninstall this as easily as other packages, why wouldn't they try it out? It'd be worth the effort of providing debs, at least :)

By Lee at Mon, 2003/12/08 - 6:00am

KDE doesn't create binary packages, only sources.
So if Debian users want to use kde 3.2 beta2, they should provide the binary .deb versions themself, just like the other distributions..

By rinse at Mon, 2003/12/08 - 6:00am


Orth's kdecvs debs are highly recommended

or if you use gentoo (like I have recently), try:

(for binary builds.. portage already has beta2 for a few days in terms of a source build)

By anon at Mon, 2003/12/08 - 6:00am

yea gentoo!! I don't know how they do it, but stuff goes up on portage right away every time. And if it's not on portage, someone has written an ebuild for it.

By Ryan at Tue, 2003/12/09 - 6:00am

Alas, it would have to come out right as I finishedcompiling the first beta. Questions: 1) When I compile these packages, what level of debug symbols should I enable ... no, yes, or full? 2) Is there anyway to separate the debug symbols from the code so they only have to be loaded when there is a crash? 3) How much speedup is gained by using anti-debugging features like -fomit-frame-pointer and -frename-registers?

By Luke Sandell at Mon, 2003/12/08 - 6:00am

4) How do I use the .xdelta patches?

By Luke Sandell at Mon, 2003/12/08 - 6:00am


You have to use the xdelta tools, which you can find at

After that, imagine that you have kdebase-3.1.93.tar.bz2 in the current dir:

$ bzip2 -d kdebase-3.1.93.tar.bz2

$ xdelta patch kdebase-3.1.93-3.1.94.tar.xdelta

$ bzip2 -9 kdebase-3.1.94.tar

The you'll have the new source code ready for compiling :)


By Miguel at Tue, 2003/12/09 - 6:00am

ad 1) If you experience crashes then the resulting backtraces are often not very useful unless you compiled with --enable-debug=yes or full. So for a beta I recommend using yes (if you have enough free disk space). If you don't have that much disk space you should at least compile kdelibs with debug symbols. Then you can re-compile everything else with debug symbols if you need them (for reporting a crash).

ad 2) AFAIK the debug symbols are not loaded into memory unless they are needed, i.e. only when the app crashed. So there's just a little speed penalty but no memory penalty when you run binaries with debug symbols.

By Ingo Klöcker at Tue, 2003/12/09 - 6:00am

Be careful with these compile flags...

I'm using Gentoo and had to disable one, since I wasn't able to upgrade libc / gcc (can't remember) had to do an awful lot of recompiling to get things fixed.

Time you gain: might be enough to blink your eyes, but I guess you won't notice, but might be able to meassure ;-)

By Jord at Thu, 2003/12/11 - 6:00am

Well, the lemon water was tolerable, but I don't think there's anything in the world that makes me want to drink beer more than Dobra Voda. Beer was quite refreshing in comparison.

By George Staikos at Tue, 2003/12/09 - 6:00am

Maybe next release should be called "Dobro Pivo"?

By keber at Tue, 2003/12/09 - 6:00am

actually "Dobre pivo", or simply "Plzen dvanactka" :)

By greetings from ... at Tue, 2003/12/09 - 6:00am

it depends on which language you speak.

Dobra voda doesn't mean "good water" only in czech, you know?

it's the same in slovene, where "good beer" is spelled Dobro pivo ;)

i was pretty sure that there'd be someone who'd notice the "good water" in this beta :D

btw: where did the idea for this name come from? there a place in the Chech republic called Dobra Voda (where the KDE team met?)

By Matija "hook" Suklje at Tue, 2003/12/09 - 6:00am

there's a post on this topic couple of lines below this one. basically yes, although only god knows what those geeks had on their mind when choosing this release name :)

By greetings from ... at Tue, 2003/12/09 - 6:00am

yea, i've seen it after i posted the question ...but i like the name :D's even better then Rudi :I

By Matija "hook" Suklje at Wed, 2003/12/10 - 6:00am

I really want to give it a try, but do not know where can I get a binary for my MDK 9.2

By Paul at Tue, 2003/12/09 - 6:00am

I don't know if beta2 is there, but fairly recent version of cvs are in cooker.
It seems to be updated every few days at least.

By JohnFlux at Tue, 2003/12/09 - 6:00am

Have you tried cooker?

Maybe you should stop by and add a cooker repository

By Mario at Tue, 2003/12/09 - 6:00am

I just successfully installed 3.1.94 on SUSE 9.0 ... very nice! I'm totally blown away. 3.1.4 didn't make me too happy but most of my earlier complaints have been resolved.

What happened to KMail though? How can I activate a different splash screen? (And who the hell thought to include the XP one?!? Isn't KDE light years beyond fisher price?) Lastly, what about window decorations? There's only a handful selectable and I can't install new ones.

Go KDE3.2!

By TuxCane at Tue, 2003/12/09 - 6:00am

Make sure you install kdeartwork .. that has more styles/window decorations.. I really like the new Plastik one.

Unfortunately, the window decorations for 3.1 will not direclty port to 3.2. There is a knifty window decoration for 3.2 at

This does compile with 3.2 and looks pretty nice as well.

Most styles for 3.1 should compile and work well with 3.2 (based on my experience).


By Anonymous at Tue, 2003/12/09 - 6:00am


I would like to give this beta a try. Did anybody install it already on SuSE 9.0? How? I tried installing the first 3.2 beta, but it locked up my system and I needed to reinstall the distribution!


By melster at Tue, 2003/12/09 - 6:00am

I downloaded the rpms, removed the old KDE rpms from init 3, and installed the new ones with rpm -ivh *.rpm. I tested first with rpm --test -i *.rpm.

Where did it lock? Why reinstall the whole thing? If you lost the use of KDE, why not just use yast from the command line to reinstall KDE 3.1.4? Sounds like you just made more work for yourself to me! KDE is not the whole distro..

Good luck next time!

By Max Howell at Tue, 2003/12/09 - 6:00am

Ok, I've done exactly this:

: init 3
removed all kde packages
rpm -ihv *.rpm
(lots of dependency complaints)
rpm -ihv --nodeps *.rpm

init 5
(old xdm starts)

No luck, no KDE, my system is starting fvwm2 instead of KDE!!!

What's next?

By melster at Tue, 2003/12/09 - 6:00am

Install kdm? Then you can choose which wm/de to start. If kdm isn't starting and is installed look up how to set it to start. can't help you there.

Otherwise try startkde from init 3, I think that works, can't remember.

By Max Howell at Tue, 2003/12/09 - 6:00am

> What's next?

A broken system due to the use of "--nodeps" ?

By Andy Goossens at Tue, 2003/12/09 - 6:00am

Absolutely. I think anyone recommending --nodeps should be shot.

until you know what you are doing and can fix your broken system manually afterwards. But then you are not a Newbie anymoe

Even if a vendor recommends this, don't do it. Seriously. Contact your vendor for packages that are not broken or pick a new distributor.

By Moritz Moeller-... at Wed, 2003/12/10 - 6:00am

mmm set kdm at variable DISPLAYMANAGER in /etc/sysconfig/displaymanager and run SuSEconfig... work for me.


By deabru at Wed, 2003/12/10 - 6:00am

I successfully installed 3.1.94 on my SUSE 9.0 machine without problems ... i just used KPackage to update all the KDE packages that i had installed (first arts, then libs, then the rest as mentioned in the install FAQ)

KDE3.2b2 is up and running fine ...

By TuxCane at Tue, 2003/12/09 - 6:00am

Let me get this right, You upgraded to beta2 right from within KDE?! Were You already running beta1?
I tried this once with beta1 and ended up having a broken KDE and installed all KDE 3.1.4 rpms from the dvd again and beta1 via konstruct.

By JJ at Wed, 2003/12/10 - 6:00am

There's an install FAQ? Where? I've looked and looked...

I'm still getting dozens of dependency errors when I try to install this on my vanilla SuSE 9.0 system. Lots of libarts* errors, though I have arts installed and I don't know what other arts packages I need., even though I have kdelibs3 installed. It also tells me "kdebase3-SuSE <= 9.0 conflicts with kdebase3-3.1.94-1", but I don't know where to get a new kdebase3-SuSE from.

By Brian Kendig at Thu, 2003/12/11 - 6:00am

I compiled beta1 successfully on the same machine that I'm trying now to compile beta2. The problem is that a bunch of headers, one of which is artsmoduleseffects.h, never get generated while compiling kdemultimedia. All the other packages compiled, except multimedia.

Is there anything I'm missing?


By IvanK. at Tue, 2003/12/09 - 6:00am