KDE 3.4 is Out
Thursday, 17 March 2005 | Jriddell
KDE 3.4 has been released today. "After more than a half year of development the KDE Project is happy to be able to announce a new major release of the award-winning K Desktop Environment. Among the many new features that have been incorporated, the improvements in accessibility are most remarkable." Read the full announcement for an overview of the many changes. You can download source and binary packages from download.kde.org or use the Konstruct automatic build tool.
Lars Stetten from the accessibility user group Linaccess said about the release: "The new accessibility features in KDE 3.4 are an important step for the future, to enable disabled people to get to know the KDE desktop and to join its community."
As well as the new accessiblity features major improvements have been made to KPDF, groupware server support for Kontact and Kopete, HAL support for detection of removable media and the inclusion of Akregator RSS feed reader. In total 6,500 bugs have been fixed and more than 1,700 wishlist items fulfilled.
Many thanks to all of KDE's hard working developers, translators and helpers.
Comments:
Live-CD - Berkz - 2005-03-17
Any news of a Live-CD?
Re: Live-CD - Jakob - 2005-03-17
A kubuntu live cd with 3.4 is underway.
Re: Live-CD - Hans Wurst - 2005-03-18
http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/20050317.1/
Cheers! - Eike Hein - 2005-03-17
It's a great day for free software.
XComposite extension support - Johnny - 2005-03-17
Reading through the KDE 3.4 features list, I noticed this under Base/KWin: "Support for the XComposite extension through managing a fork of xcompmgr. Including windows translucency depending on window state, configurable window shadows and fading effects on window mapping" But I don't see anything in the highlights section about this... Seems to me that if 3.4 introduced true alpha blending & real drop shadows, that would be quite a highlight. I'm guessing that the underlying support is now in place, but other aspects of the system still need to be updated? Anyone know any details about this? So, I guess my question is, how close are we to a 3D accelerated KDE with all the eye candy?
Re: XComposite extension support - desau - 2005-03-17
It's in there. If you go to window properties you'll see the config screen. When it works, it works quite well (assuming you've got a good video card). It looks great. However, I've found it to be quite unstable (the X extension.. not KDE).. it likes to crash quite often :)
Re: XComposite extension support - ch - 2005-03-17
would it be possible to add a "VIDEO" Screenshot ??? i would do it , the flash capture is not good enough i think... anyone ?
Re: XComposite extension support - Kevin Krammer - 2005-03-17
http://bssteph.irtonline.org/kompmgr_and_kde_window_eyecandy
cool - ac - 2005-03-17
just cool :)
Re: XComposite extension support - Robert - 2005-03-17
What's more, the xorg people have not yet got it working with xv or gl. So no accelerated 3d or video at the same time.
Re: XComposite extension support - James L - 2005-03-17
It works. Just it runs the risk of crashing. (I'm running an nvidia card + drivers, which requires you to specifically enable both if you want both, via: Option "AllowGLXWithComposite" "true" as well as turning on XComposite itself. I am running HEAD, and haven't had a crash for quite some time related to that.)
Re: XComposite extension support - Ookaze - 2005-03-17
It can crash your X server. I experienced crashes in XFCE (I talk about XFCE because that was the only DE with composite support without patches), where I launch GL games. The game would refuse to run, the screen goes black and then, the X server crashes (and gdm restarts one). Thet was with the precedent NVidia driver, I have not tested with the new one yet. I suppose KDE will suffer the same fate if the new NVidia driver did not correct this.
Re: XComposite extension support - Melchior FRANZ - 2005-03-18
> Thet was with the precedent NVidia driver, I have not tested with the new one yet. The most recent one is even crashier. It freezes the server just by running ... tadaa ... ksplash.
Re: XComposite extension support - Anonymous - 2005-03-17
If KDE would list it as highlight and it then fails because the underlying support is still experimental and unstable whom do you think would the users blame?
Re: XComposite extension support - Martin - 2005-03-17
Not a point IMHO. This might sound a bit harsh and I'm all for user-oriented ungeeky OSS but by all means: That's just not how OSS works. And I think that's a good thing. It's just not how many things in life work today ;-) You cannot remain unenlightened (i.e. let's face it: stupid) and at the same time want to have the advantages. You must learn to seperate the myths from the truth. Or you can say: Oh that's all too complicated and... pay! So it's OK when KDE strives to be more user-friendly, but when people activate an *experimental* Composite extension in the xorg.conf and afterwards complain about KDE, well Good Riddance! I wont expect any non-commercial entity to support such users in the near future. That's just like KDE says it supports i.e. USB 3.0 (just making this up) and then you plug your cat at an USB port and fry it thoroughly and complaing afterwards about KDE. That's really out of line if you ask me.
QT4 - ch - 2005-03-17
YEAH Lets go for KDE 4 with QT4 and work with trolltech to make the initial qt4 a nice release and perfect fitted for kde.
Re: QT4 - Anonymous - 2005-03-17
Sadly by now the influence is limited to bugfixes as Qt4 API freeze was already missed.
Re: QT4 - ch - 2005-03-18
so it was an error to make kde 3.4 ? we should habe made kde 4 before the freeze was. but i think if we find serious problems - they will fix them even if they are in a freeze. when we wait until qt4 ist done , there are facts. so we need another qt-copy branch in kde-cvs - i dont like this qt-copy thingy... ch
The secret KDE 4.0 feature plan ;) - kdt - 2005-03-17
http://developer.kde.org/development-versions/kde-4.0-features.html
Re: The secret KDE 3.5 feature plan ;) ;) - firephoto - 2005-03-17
http://developer.kde.org/development-versions/kde-4.0-features.html
Re: The secret KDE 3.5 feature plan ;) ;) - firephoto - 2005-03-17
http://developer.kde.org/development-versions/kde-3.5-features.html always look at what u paste when it comes from a middle click. ;)
Re: The secret KDE 3.5 feature plan ;) ;) - James Richard Tyrer - 2005-03-18
I would like to add to this list: Fixing the CrystalSVG vs. HiColor/KDEClassic icon theme _mess_. NOTE: CrystalSVG is really a misnomer since HiColor now supports SVG icons. We need to have a correct HiColor theme for compliance to the proposed standards: http://www.freedesktop.org/Standards/icon-theme-spec And YES, I AM volunteering to work on this. I will even try to be the leader if people want that. But, it is going to take a lot of work by a lot of developers to undo the mistakes that have been made. A first step for applications developers is to try to follow our own standards: http://developer.kde.org/~larrosa/iconthemes.html -- JRT
Re: The secret KDE 4.0 feature plan ;) - Romanujan - 2005-03-17
Strange... I thought, taht KDE 4.0 won't be using ARTS...
Re: The secret KDE 4.0 feature plan ;) - mP - 2005-03-17
well, lets hope it really won't use arts, but this so-called 4.0 feature plan seems to be the unfinished leftovers from 3.4 feature plan. These changes, most possibly, will go into 3.5 (at least for arts- stuff; and if this branch will ever happen)
Re: The secret KDE 4.0 feature plan ;) - ricky - 2005-03-17
what would arts be replaced with? gstreamer?
Re: The secret KDE 4.0 feature plan ;) - Dan Leinir Turthra Jensen - 2005-03-17
It will probably be replaced by kdemm, which is a more simple audio system than aRts, in that it only supports simple playback, stop, start and nothing much more. Advanced audio applications would then be based on separate libraries, for example the way amaroK works, or the way JuK supports both aRts and GStreamer. Also, be sure to read this "probably" as the dictionary describes it, noone is really certain yet ;)
Fedora Core 3 RPMS - desau - 2005-03-17
Does anyone know who built the Fedora Core 3 RPMS?
Re: Fedora Core 3 RPMS - Corbin - 2005-03-17
I believe it was the KDE-RedHat people at http://kde-redhat.sourceforge.net
Re: Fedora Core 3 RPMS - Rex Dieter - 2005-03-17
The KDE maintainer at redhat made the rpms in the "Fedora" folder. kde-redhat's build is in contrib/kde-redhat
Congratulations! - Al - 2005-03-17
This is a fantastic release, and when people will use it, they will be blown away. Or maybe before that with the Flash demo. Also, it's kind of bad timing for linspire, they released Five-O with KDE 3.3.2 a day before KDE 3.4 was out.
Re: Congratulations! - vrabcak - 2005-03-17
The same for Mandrakelinux. New versions freeze for 10.2 was only 8 days ago :-(
Re: Congratulations! - Luke Chatburn - 2005-03-17
Do remember that disties need at at least a month or so in order to compile and test KDE and other major apps for their releases. Mandrake especially spends a lot of time working at creating and applying patches to smooth things over, before releasing. They don't just download, compile and then dump things on the user :)
Re: Congratulations! - superstoned - 2005-03-17
that's true. but they knew KDE 3.4 was coming. they should have done as SuSE did, wait so they could deliver KDE 3.4 to their users...
Re: Congratulations! - Joe Lorem - 2005-03-18
Don't forget, GNOME missed a SuSE freeze date by 1 day not so long ago. At least, this is reassuring that SuSE is still KDE-biased :)
Re: Congratulations! - Anonymous - 2005-03-18
> GNOME missed a SuSE freeze date by 1 day not so long ago. I think that's a myth. No distributions let's a release enter before having tested betas/release candidates for weeks before.
Re: Congratulations! - superstoned - 2005-03-18
but the last suse release didn't include gnome 2.8, while it could have... but me likes the KDE bias, too :D
Re: Congratulations! - Roland Wolf - 2005-03-17
A phantastic release. KDE 3.4 brings the spring to your computer. My favorit improvements: - KPDF rulez, no more need for Adobe's clumsy Acrobat viewer - Konqueror file browser is very fast now (all file previews switched off) Thank you KDE team! Roland Wolf
Cool! - Matt - 2005-03-17
Way to go KDE!!! I can hardly wait till my distro ships it. But, I am confused, is 3.5 next or 4.0. And please don't tell me it's being developed in parallel because that is insane!
Re: Cool! - Morty - 2005-03-17
Hopefully there will be no more confusion and insanity in the development process than usuall. Next is 3.5, but this will mostly be an applications release with only minimal changes to the libs. This will give the developers who work on the core libs, time to stabilize the API for 4.0 prior to the porting of most of the applications. It also gives the application developers ability to work on new features, and they don't have to work against constantly changing libraries. Most of the application developers don't do much work in the libs, so insted of sitting around waiting for the libraries to stabilize for 4.0 they do 3.5.
Re: Cool! - Matthew Robinson - 2005-03-21
there's many different idea's how to do this. The most sane i have heard is do 3.5, wait until qt4 is released and stable, then develop kde4 then, hopefully with some help from trollteck, although i dont think anybody has asked them if they would (presumably the developers would be free after finishing a major release and a good kde4 would help them advertise their product too). Thats the best idea in my opinion, although it would require trollteck to donate developers which im not so sure they would do (fair enough, they're paying for their dev's)
KDE & OpenLDAP - José Costa - 2005-03-17
is there any project porting the config files of KDE to LDAP? it would be wonderfull if i could configure many kde desktops with openldap. using openldap + kiosk would be excelent and easy to administer like windows 2000 Active Directory.
Re: KDE & OpenLDAP - AnonymousCoward - 2005-03-17
Ask Buchan Milne (google for his address or check cooker(at)linux-mandrake.com), he has been LDAP'izing everything he can.
Re: KDE & OpenLDAP - cm - 2005-03-17
Has this work been done on the stock KDE code or is this Mandrake-specific?
Re: KDE & OpenLDAP - MoobyFR - 2005-03-17
Yes this could be an excellent solution to manage large part of KDE desktop :)
Re: KDE & OpenLDAP - José Costa - 2005-03-17
well, i've added to the Wish List :D http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=101716
I am building it using konstruct - idlecat - 2005-03-17
Next step, it will be packaged into rpms and be used by all my colleague. Can not wait:) I bet there must be many people downloading. So slowwwww
Debian - ac - 2005-03-17
uhm, does anyone know a source of debian/unstable packages...?
Re: Debian - kig - 2005-03-17
Packaging is now being tested here: http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde-3.4.0/ (most of it is done, base, pim, graphics, network, multimedia, etc.) Apt-get upgrade as usual, no problems. Mailing-list about packaging efforts is there: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-kde-talk/ I'm using it right now, feels fairly alright, though there are a few problems with kdm, but a fix is mentioned in the mailing-list archives. HTH.
Re: Debian - Philipp - 2005-03-17
deb http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde-3.4.0/ ./ from http://lists.debian.org/debian-kde/2005/03/msg00101.html
Re: Debian - ac - 2005-03-20
Are these packages compiled with gcc-3.4 using the "hidden symbol" (IIRC) options...? I ask coz I can not see any speed improvements over KDE 3.3
Re: Debian - Dan - 2005-03-17
I'm having trouble accessing this repository, i put it in my sources.list file and it shows up fine in synaptic, but after I update sources it doesn't register a new version of KDE and still says the newest version is 3.3.2 Thanks Dan
Re: Debian - IvanSanchez - 2005-03-18
That's because that packages are marked as experimental, not as testing or even unstable. You must edit /etc/apt/apt.conf in order to set your "current release" to experimental and be able to upgrade seamlessly. However, this has a drawback: apt/synaptic/aptitude will try to install the experimental packages of any other tool. Be sure to upgrade KDE and just KDE in order to avoid unnecesary risks.
Re: Debian - Giacomo - 2005-03-18
F**k, they should have written it somewhere. I spent the whole night basically version-forcing any package I had to install... :/
Re: Debian - LuckySandal - 2005-03-20
or you could just use KPackage, which doesn't care about the release
Re: Debian - josel - 2005-03-17
Ubuntu has them as of today http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
Re: Debian - Dan - 2005-03-17
will these work on Mepis Linux (based on debian)?
Re: Debian - josel - 2005-03-17
I think they will. I have before been mixing kanotix, knoppix and debian debs on ubuntu without any problem. Its pretty much debian unstable with adaptments at the moment- You could backup your .kde dir and add the ubuntu repository. If anything goes wrong reinstall from your old repository after removing the ubuntu one. That should fix eventual problems.
Emerging now.... - Anonymous - 2005-03-17
I just want to say thank you! If it's as good as RC1, and I'm sure it will, it just rocks!
Feature Guide? - ac - 2005-03-17
There was talk about a feature guide with flash movies (http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-promo&m=110752276523698&w=2). Is this still coming? A more visual "what's new" like the GNOME guys did for 2.10 (http://www.gnome.org/start/2.10/notes/rnwhatsnew.html) would be really nice. Instead of just linking to the very incomplete, former 3.4 feature plan. Where are all the non-developer contributors who would like to help KDE when you need them? ;)
Re: Feature Guide? - Frank Dux - 2005-03-17
Yes, a feature guide is in the works and should be out shortly, depending on the developer's free time.
Screenshots - Alex - 2005-03-18
I don't see any screenshots in the screenshots section of KDE.org. Is this still in the works?
Re: Feature Guide? - arekm - 2005-03-18
Flash viewer is so architecture dependant product. Example - there is no flash for linux-ppc! No other, more open ways to make nice feature guide?
Re: Feature Guide? - Christian Loose - 2005-03-18
I'm already happy that there might be a feature guide at all. So for me use whatever you want.
OT question - Ted - 2005-03-17
Just installed KDE 3.4 from Suse RPMs. When I use Konqueror for web browsing there is this very annoying animation when I try to use the mouse scrollwheel. Weirdly, it's not there in file management mode! Anyone knows how to switch it off? Thanks.
Re: OT question - Gentoo - 2005-03-17
If you want to have no problems on installing KDE, you should stop using Suse and start using a real distro like GENTOO or Debian. I was a SUSE user since 6.1 but then I saw the light!!!! Cheers! GENTOO
Re: OT question - ralph - 2005-03-17
Argh, how incredibly helpful. And what on earth is a real distro? One that enlargens your epenis? Btw., look at the many kde-3.4 threads on forums.gentoo.org and tell me again that people don't have problems with upgrading kde on gentoo. To the grandparent, sorry for taking this OT and unfortunately I don't have any idea how to help you, but I just couldn't resist answering this annoying troll. Ralph (Gentoo and Kubuntu user, btw.)
Re: OT question - Scott Wheeler - 2005-03-17
Y3AH! GENTOO! DEFINITELY COOLER THAN EVERYTHING ELSE! MORE INFO HERE! http://www.funroll-loops.org/
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Re: OT question - hgg - 2005-03-17
I had the same problem yesterday, today I've noticed that the packages had been updated, after installing the new packages the problem went away. I'm using: kdebase3-3.4.0-12 and kdelibs3-3.4.0-11 on SuSE 9.2
no delete button in konqueror file browser?? - Tom - 2005-03-17
only move to trash? Bug or feature?
Re: no delete button in konqueror file browser?? - Kevin Krammer - 2005-03-17
(Usability-) feature. You can enable the action which deletes directly (bypassing the trash) in Konqueror's settings. Or use SHIFT+DEL
Re: no delete button in konqueror file browser?? - Mario - 2005-03-17
Configure Konqueror -> Behavior -> Show 'Delete' ...
Binaries for slack ? - Douglas - 2005-03-17
Are there binaries for slackware ?
Re: Binaries for slack ? - fast_rizwaan - 2005-03-17
Yes, it seems that Slackware binaries are late these days :(
Re: Binaries for slack ? - Douglas - 2005-03-17
Yes... i think that they will be released soon, but im wishing to much to use then.
Re: Binaries for slack ? - JC - 2005-03-17
Hi all, I'm the one who provides Slack packages for several years, and theses days I'm pretty busy (2 work + a new born) and have no time for kde and Slack. So I won't provide packages anymore i guess. :( Jean-Christophe
Re: Binaries for slack ? - JC - 2005-03-17
Or all of you guys, can send me some money over paypal and I will buy a laptop to be able to redo packages :)
Re: Binaries for slack ? - Pierre-Étienne Messier - 2005-03-18
I'd be interested to build KDE Slackware packages... If you could write a quick howto to build them (I guess you build the packages first using Konstruct, then you package them?), I'd be happy to provide them ! You can reply to this or e-mail me !
Re: Binaries for slack ? - ra1n - 2005-03-17
I've done some packaged of 3.3.2 compiled with patches from kde-look.org and compiled with some libraries from dropline gnome 2.8(fam pam and openldap mainly) and other libs (like libidn for jabber) and OO.o 1.1.3 with kde integration I plan of making 3.4 pkgs too for 10.1 and based on dropline gnome 2.10 libraries http://developer.berlios.de/projects/kdeslack/
Re: Binaries for slack ? - ra1n - 2005-03-17
it's my first creation so please be gentle :-P it still lacks a home page because I need to find some spare time to make it, also this release targets slackware 10.0 (but probably can work on 10.1 too)
Re: Binaries for slack ? - Anonymous - 2005-03-30
http://download.kde.org/stable/3.4/contrib/Slackware/
SuSE 8.2 support - John SUSE Freak - 2005-03-17
First of all, I think the guys at SUSE are doing a wonderful job. They released binaries for the betas and RCs, and up until now I've been able to keep my old SUSE 8.2 pretty up to date, KDE included. It's really great to see a distro supporting their users for free for such a long time, right now they're handling 8.2, 9.0, 9.1, and 9.2!! That said, take some care if you're upgrading SUSE 8.2 as there are some minor problems. One of them is that not all the rpms are provided, for instance kdebase is still 3.3.2 as well as the graphics packages. I hope it's just a matter of time. Still I'm already using many kde 3.4 packages like kdelibs, and other base libs like qt and arts, as well as multimedia, networking, and game packages. All works fine and I even noticed a speed increase. Everything feels smoother. Now another problem is the libspeex dependency in kdemultimedia3. It's pretty weird, it asks for something like libspeex-0.99.so. It should in fact look for libspeex.so.1. It think they've mess that up. I've installed the rpm for SUSE 9.0 instead and all worked fine, so you might want to try that. That ended up leave me wondering if installing other 9.0 packages that I'm still missing in 8.2 would work too :) But for now I decided to wait. Good luck!
Re: SuSE 8.2 support - John SUSE Freak - 2005-03-17
Just to make sure that was clear, I installed the kdemultimedia package for 9.0, not speex. The speex version in SUSE 8.2 is enough.
Re: SuSE 8.2 support - andy - 2005-03-17
Is there a yast source somewhere or have you got to install the packages manually?
Re: SuSE 8.2 support - Anonymous - 2005-03-17
Not everything is already 3.4: ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/i386/supplementary/KDE/update_for_8.2/yast-source
Re: SuSE 8.2 support - John SUSE Freak - 2005-03-17
Did you read my post ;)
Re: SuSE 8.2 support - Anonymous - 2005-03-17
Yes, but replied to the wrong post.
Re: SuSE 8.2 support - John SUSE Freak - 2005-03-17
Hmm nevermind that talk about speex, seems like they got it right. I'm the one who's using a too recent speex version which I got from packman... anyway using SuSE 9.0 rpm for kdemultimedia3 worked fine. I'm also using SUSE 9.0 packages in 8.2 for kpdf and other graphics packages, kdeutils and a cuple more things. KDVI didn't work though, so I'm stiking with the one from 3.3.2 for now.
Do I need to do "yum "update" for Core 3 RPMs? - Mike - 2005-03-17
I tried the Core 3 RPMs but it complained about a number of dependencies. Do I need to do "yum "update" before installing these RPMs?
Re: Do I need to do "yum "update" for Core 3 RPMs? - Mario - 2005-03-17
Maybe this will help: Add the kde-redhat repo to you yum directory, you can downloaded it from http://apt.kde-redhat.org/apt/kde-redhat/fedora/kde-redhat.repo create a new .repo repository with: [kde-3.4] name=Kde 3.4 baseurl=http://mirrors.ibiblio.org/pub/mirrors/kde/stable/3.4/contrib/kde-redhat/fedora/3/i386/ enabled=1 I havent tried because I downloaded the hole thing, but it just might work
kicker doesn't work - slavka - 2005-03-17
Hi! I've just installed 3.4 from SUSE rpms. Kicker now looks much better, but I can't drop anything on panel, right-clicking it brings only Help menu. What's this?
Re: kicker doesn't work - slavka - 2005-03-17
And when I try to move it on top or just enlarge it through Control Center, nothing happens!
Re: kicker doesn't work - Aaron J. Seigo - 2005-03-17
sounds like you've got your kickerrc locked down. look for [$i] in your local or systemwide kickerrc.
Re: kicker doesn't work - slavka - 2005-03-17
Nothing of a kind in ~/.kde/share/config/kickerrc. Is it really $i?
Re: kicker doesn't work - Aaron J. Seigo - 2005-03-17
that's what locks it down, yes. [$i] ... perhaps there's such a thing in the system default kickerrc. to know for sure, try starting kde as a new user and if their panel is non-configurable as well then it'll be a lock down somewhere in the global settings.
Thank you guys! - Roumen Semov - 2005-03-17
Guys, Thank you for all the development efforts you have put into this. KDE is my favorite project out there. Congratulations! Roumen Semov
Congrats to all the developers! - Anonymous - 2005-03-17
Thanks for bringing us the most exciting DE ever! There was a nice collection of interviews with the developers some years ago... what about a new round?? I'm really curious to virtually meet the people behind KDE :)
Re: Congrats to all the developers! - Macavity - 2005-03-18
Me too! I'm especially interested in what the developers think is good and bad about the social "feel" of the KDE project. It has become increasingly clear to me that the succes of an opensource project depends much more on the interaction between the contributers, then on how "hardcore" the "hackers" are. How are personality-strong individuals dealt with/cared for? Are there problems with peeple being afffectionate about their code? How are trolls on the devel-ml handled? Which personal characteristics are in general high esteem among the inner circle of the developers? etc. etc. ;-) I think these are important questions to answer, since i find that a lot of the (esp. younger) die-hard kde-fans are very quick to pick up on the jargon. I think that a bit more focus to this subject could help the KDE project become even more outstanding when it comes to friendliness. I stress this because I find a great many of the other projects directly hostile towards its users... Not to mention users who are generally hostile/rude towards everything and everyone... ~Macavity P.S.: Can't wait to try out 3.4!!!
No more People Behind KDE, mecri and au revoir! - Tink - 2005-03-18
I'm sorry but I have to disappoint you all. Most of you will have heard the news that Waldo is leaving Novell/SUSE/KDE on March 31 to pursue a new careerpath. Intel approached him and has offered him a exciting position as Linux Desktop Architect which he has accepted. Which also means he will stop his KDE development work and we both will be moving on to new pastures. Since he will no longer be involved in the KDE community it will be difficult for me to keep up to date of what's happening and what's hot within the developers/contributors world. Therefor there will be no new People Behind KDE interviews. I will hand over the People Behind KDE website to the KDE-NL guys who are hosting the site and who I admire very much and know they will do the right thing. I want to take this opportunity and thank you all for a hectic and intense 6 years, it has been interesting ;-) Until we meet again! -- Tink France
*jaw drops - ac - 2005-03-18
A job as Linux Desktop Architect which doesn't involve KDE?
Re: No more People Behind KDE, mecri and au revoir! - Waldo Bastian - 2005-03-18
I will certainly take a step back but I do expect to remain involved with KDE, just not in a development role. Keeping up to date of what's happening and what's hot within the developers/contributors world is part of the new job though ;-)
Re: No more People Behind KDE, mecri and au revoir - Leo Spalteholz - 2005-03-18
Wow. Well thank you Waldo for your contributions. They have been immensely appreciated. Good luck at your new job.
Re: No more People Behind KDE, mecri and au revoir! - ac - 2005-03-18
Glad to hear you will at least keep following all the developments (hopefully including giving input when requeted). I consider most of Kiosk and its utilities & documentation as your claim to fame, so it would be a shame if that all goes downhill after your leaving.
Re: No more People Behind KDE, mecri and au revoir! - Christian Loose - 2005-03-18
Your development skills will be surely missed! Hope you will have fun at your new job.
Re: No more People Behind KDE, mecri and au revoir! - David Ankers - 2005-03-19
Waldo, good luck for the future - KDE is going to miss you for sure.
Konstruct Komment - Robert Knight - 2005-03-17
Konstruct is a handy build utility, but it failed first time through because I had a space in my Konstruct install path. Congratulations to the KDE team on another excellent release. Long may KDE prosper!
KDE for Solaris - Mathi - 2005-03-17
I've been using KDE on Solaris10... I'm using KDE 3.3 'cos only 3.3 binaries are available for solaris10. But I find KDE 3.4 Solaris 9 binaries under "3.4/contrib/Solaris/GCC/9" Will that work on solaris 10?
3.4 RC1 - Pilaf - 2005-03-17
Since there was no RC2, how is this different from RC1? Judging by the size of the packages this obviously isn't RC1, but where can RC1 users learn about the differences or at least get a figure of how much this changed since? By the way, I am in great debt with the KDE team, I absolutely love this project! Thanks so much!
Re: 3.4 RC1 - Anonymous - 2005-03-18
> Since there was no RC2, how is this different from RC1? Showstopper and security fixes.
The announcement has one minior Issue... - PJ - 2005-03-17
In my opinion a little thing is missing in the Announcement: A list of all programs that ship with the release. This should be mentioned on the info page IMHO. Nevertheless: Congratulations to the KDE-Team! Peter
Compilation errors, please help. - ac - 2005-03-17
I'm building it with konstruct. But I'm getting this compilation error in the kdepim component: In file included from conduit_notepad_la.all_cc.cc:2: notepad-conduit.cc: In member function `int NotepadActionThread::unpackNotePad(NotePad*, unsigned char*, int)': notepad-conduit.cc:235: `struct body_t' has no member named `dataType' make[6]: *** [conduit_notepad_la.all_cc.lo] Error 1 make[6]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/src/kde/kde3.4/konstruct/kde/kdepim/work/kdepim-3.4.0/kpilot/conduits/notepadconduit' make[5]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 Can anyone help? I'm using Redhat 9.0 with gcc 3.2.2. Another thing I noticed is that konstruct is missing a Makefile under konstruct/apps, how do I build the apps then, without doing make in each individual app?
Re: Compilation errors, please help. - Rex Dieter - 2005-03-18
Not sure, but it built fine for us to provide rpms. Could be a problem with using --enable-final (we usually omit that now).
Re: Compilation errors, please help. - ac - 2005-03-18
I found the error, RedHat 9.0's pilot-link is at version 0.11.5, the kdepim conduit plugin requires 0.11.8, an included struct has a new field. The konstruct build target is fine, the apps target are included in meta/everything. I got another compile error in kdeaddons about a missing krb5.h, a Google search found that this is another RedHat peculiarity, which places the kerberos headers in /usr/include/kerberos. I know what people might say about me using RH, but this is my work machine and I have no control over which OS is used. I run SUSE at home.
Re: Compilation errors, please help. - Rex Dieter - 2005-03-18
Feel free to use our RPMS from http://kde-redhat.sourceforge.net/ IMHO, a lot easier than building it all by-hand or via-konstruct.
Re: Compilation errors, please help. - Nabegh - 2005-03-31
same problem here
Re: Compilation errors, please help. - Rohit Bhosale - 2005-04-19
Even I am facing the same problem. Any solution to get it working. I am specifically interested in KMail. Hence I am upgrading the KDEPim package using construct. Following is the terminal window snapshot... In file included from conduit_notepad_la.all_cc.cc:2: notepad-conduit.cc: In member function `int NotepadActionThread::unpackNotePad(NotePad*, unsigned char*, int)': notepad-conduit.cc:235: `struct body_t' has no member named `dataType' make[6]: *** [conduit_notepad_la.all_cc.lo] Error 1 make[6]: Leaving directory `/home/admin/rohit/installers/kde/konstruct/kde/kdepim/work/kdepim-3.4.0/kpilot/conduits/notepadconduit' make[5]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[5]: Leaving directory `/home/admin/rohit/installers/kde/konstruct/kde/kdepim/work/kdepim-3.4.0/kpilot/conduits' make[4]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[4]: Leaving directory `/home/admin/rohit/installers/kde/konstruct/kde/kdepim/work/kdepim-3.4.0/kpilot' make[3]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/admin/rohit/installers/kde/konstruct/kde/kdepim/work/kdepim-3.4.0' make[2]: *** [all] Error 2 make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/admin/rohit/installers/kde/konstruct/kde/kdepim/work/kdepim-3.4.0' make[1]: *** [build-work/kdepim-3.4.0/Makefile] Error 2 make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/admin/rohit/installers/kde/konstruct/kde/kdepim' make: *** [dep-../../kde/kdepim] Error 2 Thanks in advance Rohit
KPDF and fonts - KDE User - 2005-03-18
Is it just me, or does kpdf handle fonts significantly worse than xpdf (and acrobat reader)? I've attached a snapshot of both kpdf and xpdf rendering the same PDF file. The top is kpdf, the bottom xpdf. Both are at 100%. Anyone else seeing such a discrepancy?
Re: KPDF and fonts - ac - 2005-03-18
It's always helpful to say what version you're using. KPDF 3.4 isn't comparable at all to the old version.
Re: KPDF and fonts - KDE User - 2005-03-18
Since this was a KDE 3.4 topic, I assumed that it would be clear I'm using KDE 3.4. If not, well... This is with KDE 3.4.
Re: KPDF and fonts - ac - 2005-03-19
Yeah, you're right. I was just very surprised because the font quality of KPDF in the KDE 3.4 version vastly improved for me. I haven't had any problems since I switched. I'm sure the KPDF developers a really interested in a bug report for this. Especially when you're able to attach the PDF.
Re: KPDF and fonts - Elad - 2005-03-18
Yes, I have the same problems. I have been anxiously waiting for KDE 3.4 hoping that things would be solved. Alas, this problem was not fixed. There is a bug report on the KDE database, but it was closed for some reason.
Hinting? - Hans - 2005-03-20
Maybe hinting? The screenshot shows that KPDF uses hinting, while xpdf does not. Maybe you could change this behaviour in the font-tab in the control center.
Trouble with KMail - charles - 2005-03-18
I have had trouble with KMail since the rc1 release,and I thought it was just something that would be ironed out. Somehow, I cannot send email at all! At the release of the 3.4, the same problem is still present., even after telline KMail to check what my ISP's server supports! I googled and came across advice that I should install everything cyrus-sasl*. This I did and I am now able to send email. Question is: Why don't the developers somehow get this cyrus* stuff bundled in such a way that it gets installed?
Re: Trouble with KMail - IronMan - 2005-03-18
I had the exact same problem. Read an old posting about installing cyrus. Checked and I did have cyrus installed; but only the 1st package. Installed all of the packages and now everything works as it should. Was surprised that it wasn't caught by Yast as an issue.....
Re: Trouble with KMail - AC - 2005-03-18
How come Cyrus wasn't needed before, but KMail still supported authentication? Was there built-in auth code that was removed?
Re: Trouble with KMail - Ingo Klöcker - 2005-03-18
In order to add support for new authetication methods (NTLM (Microsoft Windows) and GSSAPI (Kerberos)) we switched to using the cyrus-sasl library which supports all those authentication methods.
Re: Trouble with KMail - AC - 2005-03-18
Oh. Maybe the old auth code could be used for people without Cyrus?
Re: Trouble with KMail - Roberto Alsina - 2005-03-18
It's not cyrus. It's just cyrus-sasl. Cyrus-sasl is a whole 45388 bytes, plus 790K of libanonymous and libsasldb. Since it is the first library that fixes the pathetic mess client-side auth is in unixland, and that pretty much every modern application shares it, and that it makes the world safer (since centralized auth library means less code to audit, and easier updates in case of trouble), trust me, it's the best 20 cents worth of disk-space you have.
Re: Trouble with KMail - AC - 2005-03-19
Okay, point taken. :-)
Re: Trouble with KMail - Bille - 2005-03-18
It can be compiled without SASL, and was in the past. For 3.4 it is compiled with SASL support, but the first SUSE rpms did not include cyrus-sasl-* in their dependencies list, so you could install the rpms, but kmail would miss SASL at runtime. The next rpms will have that fixed.
Re: Trouble with KMail - Pini - 2005-03-30
I've installed kde 3.4 on mandrake 10.1 and I have same problem, there is also problem with konqueror that cannot connect to sites with user authentication. I've installed all cyrus* packages available ( include cyrus-sasl ) but it does not help. Any idea how to solve problem? thanks
Konq slow to open onto a directory - Mike - 2005-03-18
I still find Konq to be too slow in opening a directory onto my drive. I have a SATA 200Gb drive hooked up to 1Gb of memory and an AMD64 3200.
Re: Konq slow to open onto a directory - Troll-o - 2005-03-24
Good for you!
arts Issue - IronMan - 2005-03-18
I upgraded Suse 9.1 to KDE 3.4 via Yast. Everything went well; but as with the last upgrade to 3.3.2 (...and the version or two before, if I remember right), I found that system sounds did not work at all. Previously, I found it was because of the arts build. At that time, someone else built arts on their end from the source and posted it, which fixed my problem (...and that of many others with the same issue). Not sure of why this seems to be the norm or if it can be fixed by KDE or Suse this time around. Other than that, so far I'm VERY happy with the upgrade. Thanks go out to the KDE Team - Your efforts are very much appreciated.
Re: arts Issue - Flitcraft - 2005-03-18
I had the same problem. I downloaded the arts source rpm from Suse and rebuilt it and now everything works fine.
Re: arts Issue - IronMan - 2005-03-18
I'm running Suse 9.1 Personal - Installing RPMs is fine, but building them is another matter. Any assistance or direction that anyone can give would be appreciated.
Re: arts Issue - Flitcraft - 2005-03-18
Here's what I did: Download this file: ftp://ftp.suse.com/suse/i386/supplementary/KDE/update_for_9.1/source/arts-1.4.0-8.src.rpm Open a konsole, cd to the directory where you saved the file and run (as root): rpmbuild --rebuild arts-1.4.0-8.src.rpm This will most probably give you some failed dependencies. The missing packages must be installed from the Suse disks. When you have installed everything needed, run the command again. If all goes well three new rpm files (arts, arts-devel, arts-gmcop) will be present in /usr/src/packages/RPMS/i586 (or in the directory corresponding to your arch). Install them with: rpm -Uhv --replacefiles --force /usr/src/packages/RPMS/i586/arts* Hope that helps.
Re: arts Issue - IronMan - 2005-03-19
THANK YOU! Yes, it helped.... :-) I did as instructed: Had to install 30+ RPMs to cover dependencies, then did Online Update to update those, then finally a couple of updates from the Supplementary to bring it all up-to-date before it all built correctly the first time and installed without a hitch. It's been a while since I did any compiling/building.... In fact, hadn't done so since upgrading to Suse 9.1 Personal when it first came out. Thanks for the reminder.... ;-)
KDesktop crashes after update (SUSE 9.2) - MK - 2005-03-18
Hi, i get following error after i upgraded Suse 9.2 to KDE 3.4: Could not start process Unable to create io-slave: klauncher said: Unknownn protocol 'file'. Also i dont have any shortcuts on panel and i have empty main panel menu. Did anyone experienced this? Regards, Marek
Re: KDesktop crashes after update (SUSE 9.2) - MK - 2005-03-18
When i run for example kcontrol i get this: krejza@ares:~> kcontrol kio (KSycoca): WARNING: Found version 75, expecting version 79 or higher. kio (KSycoca): WARNING: Outdated database found kio (KSycoca): ERROR: No database available! kcontrol: WARNING: No K menu group with X-KDE-BaseGroup=settings found ! Defaulting to Settings/ kio (KSycoca): WARNING: Found version 75, expecting version 79 or higher. kio (KSycoca): WARNING: Outdated database found kio (KSycoca): WARNING: Found version 75, expecting version 79 or higher. kio (KSycoca): WARNING: Outdated database found krejza@ares:~> kio (KSycoca): WARNING: Found version 75, expecting version 79 or higher. kio (KSycoca): WARNING: Outdated database found kcontrol: ERROR: : couldn't create slave : Unable to create io-slave: klauncher said: Unknown protocol 'file'. kcontrol: kcontrol: ERROR: : couldn't create slave : Unable to create io-slave: klauncher said: Unknown protocol 'file'. kcontrol: krejza@ares:~>
Re: KDesktop crashes after update (SUSE 9.2) - MK - 2005-03-18
Ok i got fix for this: :) rm /var/tmp/kdecache-$USER/ksycoca*
Re: KDesktop crashes after update (SUSE 9.2) - superstoned - 2005-03-18
finnish the install (if you're not ready yet) and log out - and in again. should fix it.
Kopete can not handle proxy very well - idlecat - 2005-03-18
Just hang there with no response in my case. Anyone else experience this?
Re: Kopete can not handle proxy very well - Daniel C - 2005-07-24
Hi! Yes, you are right. As I also seen, Kopete don't know how to work with proxy. I am using a proxy to have access to internet, and I can't configure Kopette to use that proxy.
Re: Kopete can not handle proxy very well - Steve - 2005-07-27
I still have this problem with kopete Qt: 3.3.1 KDE: 3.2.1 Kopete: 0.8.1 Still no solution???
Re: Kopete can not handle proxy very well - Anonymous - 2005-07-27
Tried a current Kopete version?
Re: Kopete can not handle proxy very well - bhaki - 2006-11-20
try 0.12 versions
KMail Composer - Flitcraft - 2005-03-18
Excellent release! There's just one thing I want to know: how can the multiple To: lines in KMail's composer window be disabled?
Re: KMail Composer - Max Howell - 2005-03-18
There is no sane reason why you'd want to disable these. So, what is your reason? ;)
Re: KMail Composer - Flitcraft - 2005-03-18
Not all reasons have to be sane. Transparent menus aren't the pinnacle of sanity, or are they? I just don't like it. On first glance I thought it was a bug. Inserting half a dozen recipient addresses makes the window look silly. Just my opinion.
Re: KMail Composer - hiasll - 2005-03-18
I don't like it either. It's just not useable and I cannot work as fast as I could in kde3.3! I like the way it was implemented in 3.3! Anyway, thank you very much for this great release!
Re: KMail Composer - Hans - 2005-03-20
> I just don't like it. On first glance I thought it was a bug. Inserting > half a dozen recipient addresses makes the window look silly. There is no need to add halve a dozen of recipient lines. Just add your recipients into the first "To: line". Same behaviour as in the last version.
Re: KMail Composer - Ingo Klöcker - 2005-03-18
Exit KMail. Open ~/.kde/share/config/kmailrc with an editor. Look for the [Composer] section. Change "RecipientsEditorType=1" to "RecipientsEditorType=0". Save the config file. Start KMail. Note, that we will remove the old code at some point.
Re: KMail Composer - Flitcraft - 2005-03-18
Thanks a lot. Even the old address chooser dialog is back! How many beers woukd it take to make you re-think that last sentence?
The settings window in KMail is empty - Mike - 2005-03-18
I installed KDE 3.4 onto Core 3 from sources, but the settings window in KMail is empty. Must track that down and see what's wrong.
Re: The settings window in KMail is empty - chris - 2005-03-19
mostly its from old config files :-( perhaps move your .kde somewhere else :-(
OT: Suse 9.2 and OpenOffice.Org-kde - Anonymous Bastard - 2005-03-18
This is offtopic and I know that the Suse 9.2 builds aren't Suse supported. However, ever since I upgraded to Kde 3.4, the KFilePicker crashes in OO.o. For instance if I choose to open anything it crashes, same if I try to save. Anyone have any workaround? /ab
Re: kde upgrade, OpenOffice.Org-kde crash - Rex Dieter - 2005-03-18
I've heard of the same thing on Fedora Core 3. Only "fix" I know of is rebuilding openoffice.org against the newer KDE install.
Workaround - Anonymous - 2005-03-18
http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=100849#c2
Customized KDE 3.4 Demo Video Clips - Anonymous - 2005-03-18
http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=21947
Speed Boost - Robert Knight - 2005-03-18
I have spent a few hours playing around with the new release now - it seems noticeably faster in quite a few areas, logon and Konqueror launching in particular. Well done guys :)
Kopete Cannot Check MSN Mail - IronMan - 2005-03-19
Before KDE 3.4, Kopete would tell me that I had MSN Mail (Hotmail) waiting and when I clicked on it it would take me to view it in Konqueror. Now when I click on it I get an Konqueror opens and I get an error message that the tmp file cannot be found. Anyone else....?
Re: Kopete Cannot Check MSN Mail - ariel tesher - 2005-04-20
i can sign in to hot mail but it wont let me check my mail. and i cant check it thriugh aol or Iinternet explorer either for some reason.
Re: Kopete Cannot Check MSN Mail - Rick - 2007-01-15
Kopete its still not sending/receiving email offline ? "Kopete still neither support sending nor receiving offline messages." this is something i read on Kde's site. If so, why the heck do they call this MSN messaging able !? why would this be included in "any" KDE apps ? is this a KDE/Konkerer thingy? what was wrong with Kmess ? yahoo; skype anyone ?
Re: Kopete Cannot Check MSN Mail - Richard - 2007-03-26
ditto!, exactly, the same problems! Kmess has no problem checking and viwewing my hotmail Inbox,... (its really just using web-mail) but fine atleats it works, amoongst others including Gaim.! So, Hello Kopete! where is the "CHECK your MAIL, or "Click to see your INBOX" box in Kopete? whats up with kopete and MSN/Hotmail. KoPete is just KoPissing me off! -this is junk and its been what over a year! and still ?
Kontact Annoyance - cirehawk - 2005-03-20
I'm having a minor issue with Kontact in this release that I will try to describe. I have an IMAP account that I access with Kmail/Kontact. When I start up Kontact, it contacts my IMAP server and I'm prompted for my password. However, at this point I get a busy cursor and cannot type anything into the password field. In the background, I can see the Kontact startup screen that says "Loading Kontact". All I can do is click the close box to close the dialog box. Once I close the dialog box, Kontact continues loading and I get the dialog box a second time prompting me for my password. At this point I can enter my password and then can access my IMAP account. Any ideas as to why this is happening? By the way, if I load KMail standalone, this does not happen. It also did not happen in previous versions of Kontact. Paul.....
New System Icon - cirehawk - 2005-03-20
On some of the screenshots of KDE3.4 that I have seen, there is a system icon on the desktop, which when opened shows system information (ie Home Folder, Network Folders, Applications, etc.). The rpm's for my distro don't seem to have this configured to show on my desktop. How do I go about setting that up? Paul.....
Re: New System Icon - Anonymous - 2005-03-20
Desktop context menu "Create New/Link to Location (URL)..." 'system:/'