KDE 3.4.1 Released

Tuesday, 31 May 2005  |  Jriddell

KDE 3.4.1 has been released. This is the first translation and bugfix release to the 3.4 series, it includes all security updates to date, numerous minor fixes and improved translations including a new Greek translation pack. See the 3.4.1 Release Announcement for full details and the Changelog for a full list of updates. If you want to test out KDE 3.4.1 we have a new version of the Klax Live CD. Packages are currently available for Conectiva Linux and Kubuntu, see the 3.4.1 Info Page for how to download. Packages for SuSE are currently being uploaded and will be available soon. If you want to compile the sources yourself try using Konstruct which has been updated for this new release.

Comments:

First post! - Metamatics - 2005-05-31

Great work, guys!

Debian Unstable - EHa - 2005-05-31

When can Debian Unstable users update to 3.4.1? Does any third part create packages?

Re: Debian Unstable - Baard - 2005-05-31

Very soon I think http://blog.madism.org/index.php/2005/05/25/31-kde-341-packaging :)

Re: Debian Unstable - Pat - 2005-05-31

deb http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde-3.4.0 ./

Re: Debian Unstable - tfry - 2005-05-31

> deb http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde-3.4.0 ./ If you don't want to use that, you'll have to wait until after the release of sarge. That's currently scheduled for June, 6th, i.e. real soon now (let's hope there are no further delays).

Re: Debian Unstable - ac - 2005-06-01

Apparently, 3.4.1 packages have arrived: deb http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde-3.4.1/ ./

Re: Debian Unstable - cm - 2005-06-01

Great! :) Thanks for the hint.

Re: Debian Unstable - Mario - 2005-06-02

Thanks! The only problem is that I can't find the Kmail and Knode packages. Aren't they ready yet?

Re: Debian Unstable - Anonymous - 2005-06-02

They will be added once finished. Why not use kdepim-3.4.0 packages until then?

Re: Debian Unstable - Mario - 2005-06-02

I'll do so. Thank you for that suggestion!

nice work - superstoned - 2005-05-31

congrats from me, too. altough i now run KDE SVN (and i'm amazed by its stability and the new, cool features)

Re: nice work - ac - 2005-05-31

Surely you don't mean you're running with Qt4?

Re: nice work - Dolio - 2005-05-31

As far as I know, trunk svn on most projects will turn into KDE 3.5, not KDE 4. If there's any Qt 4/KDE 4 work being done, it's in a separate branch, since it will break stuff for a while.

KDE 3.4.1 for Slackware 10.1 - fast_rizwaan - 2005-05-31

Thank you, I really appreciate the bug fixes! Here's the Slackware 10.1 packages (well KLAX packages works perfectly with Slackware 10.1) http://ktown.kde.org/~binner/klax/10.1/ Thanks to Binner (or who-so-ever are the KLAX developer) for your cool KLAX iso images :)

KDE LOGIN problem with KDM - fast_rizwaan - 2005-06-01

The Klax packages are missing the Xsession file, this file is responsible for the 'Startkde' process. Copy /etc/X11/xdm/Xsession to /opt/kde/share/config/kdm/ so that you can login to KDE using KDM!

Re: KDE LOGIN problem with KDM - Anonymous - 2005-06-01

It shows that Klax doesn't use KDM. Please report to package creator.

Re: KDE LOGIN problem with KDM - Samantha - 2005-09-19

Hello I can't log in Suse 8.1 with KDE. No any messeges and No color change and I can't log with commad prompt also Please help me to solve this problem thanks Samantha

Re: KDE LOGIN problem with KDM - hendy - 2006-08-28

i encounter same problem...i'm using suse linux enterprise server 8.. when login using kde session type..it comes back to login menu.. but we can login using 'root'.... any advise ? thanks, hendy

Re: KDE 3.4.1 for Slackware 10.1 - MightyPenguin - 2005-06-02

Slack contrib pkgs ftp://ktown.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/3.4.1/contrib/Slackware/10.1/

OT, kmail - Michal - 2005-05-31

Hi, I just switched to kde from gnome. The 3.4.0 release is great. There are a few kmail annoyances that I have fixed(really poor defaults) and a few more that I hope can be. I really dislike the mailscanner attempted fraud stuff. I can tell the difference myself much better than the computer. How can I get my sent mail to go into the sent folder on my IMAP server?

Re: OT, kmail - Yoop - 2005-05-31

No automated way that I know of -- I just created a filter that is applied to sent messages, and that filter moves them into my chosen sent folder. But I agree that there SHOULD be a way to configure this on a per-account basis, same as it works for the trash folder.

Re: OT, kmail - Birdy - 2005-05-31

> How can I get my sent mail to go into the sent folder on my IMAP server? The "sent-mail" and "draft" folder can be set in the identidy settings (in the "Advanced" tab of the identidy dialog).

Re: OT, kmail - Michal - 2005-05-31

thanks

Re: OT, kmail - Michal - 2005-06-01

one more thing. Filters don't seam to be working automatically(I have to select a message and tell it to run a filter). How do I turn them on? This is on an imap server.

Re: OT, kmail - ac - 2005-06-01

The support for filters using an IMAP account is missing at the moment, but AFAIK the KMail developers are working on it. IIRC the filters work with disconnected IMAP accounts.

Re: OT, kmail - a.c. - 2005-06-01

When all else fails, try ctrl-a, ctrl-j. Select all, run filters over selected.

Re: OT, kmail - kundor - 2005-06-03

Unfortunately, doing that on my inbox (>2000 messages) is liable to cause KMail to crash.

Thanks! - Joergen Ramskov - 2005-05-31

Updating my Kubuntu install right now :) Thanks guys!

Re: Thanks! - Evan "JabberWokky" E. - 2005-05-31

Trying to here, but I keep getting: Couldn't stat source package list http://download.kde.org hoary-updates/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/download.kde.org_stable_3.4.1_kubuntu_dists_hoary-updates_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) Switched to Kubuntu several weeks ago from SUSE. Nice distro. It has some quirks, but it has a nice KDE install.

Re: Thanks! - dan - 2005-05-31

Yeah, I know... the kde guys borked it :) Someone should warn them... I used this mirror: deb ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/3.4.1/kubuntu hoary-updates main But be warned... it's sloooooow :) dan

Re: Thanks! - dan - 2005-05-31

I found that this one is faster. deb ftp://ftp.du.se/pub/mirrors/kde/stable/3.4.1/kubuntu hoary-updates main You can go to http://download.kde.org/download.php?url=stable/3.4.1/ and try other mirrors. To make an apt line for them, replace the above link upto 'kubuntu' with the mirror link, for example to use ftp://ftp.tiscali.nl/pub/mirrors/kde/stable/3.4.1/ as mirror, you'd use deb ftp://ftp.tiscali.nl/pub/mirrors/kde/stable/3.4.1/kubuntu hoary-updates main as the apt repository. Dan

Re: Thanks! - Evan "JabberWokky" E. - 2005-06-01

Thanks to both of you - I'm installing right now. I just figured that the "official" one was overloaded or not yet uploaded.

Re: Thanks! - dan - 2005-06-01

Btw, I got a conflict between kdebase and kdm package, and had to dpkg -i force-all kdebase-version.deb to get it installed (kdebase only, because I use gdm). Don't forget to sudo apt-get -f install afterwards to fix it up (and finish) (at least for me I had to)

Re: Thanks! - Anonymous - 2005-06-01

> But be warned... it's sloooooow :) No wonder because ftp.kde.org is not a mirror but the main site.

Re: Thanks! - Anonymous - 2005-06-01

> the kde guys borked it "the kde guys" don't create binary packages: http://www.kde.org/download/packagepolicy.php

Re: Thanks! - ed - 2005-06-01

ups, you're right, sorry "kde guys"

Cleaning KDE - Jouni Hätinen - 2005-05-31

Is there any change that KDE programs would be cleaned up before KDE 4? E.g. there are lots of irrelevant menus and menu entries in the default Konqueror view. The simple browser view is much better. It should definitely be the default. The KControlCenter is worst of all. It's very illogical and there are tons of stupid entries, like "Sony Vaio Laptop", which is visible even if there's no single laptop in the whole house. And KDE Components doesn't say anything to me or any average user.

Re: Cleaning KDE - Anonymous - 2005-05-31

Nobody knows today how KDE 4 will look like.

Re: Cleaning KDE - Jouni Hätinen - 2005-05-31

Yes, that's why I wanted to know if these problems will be fixed before it.

Re: Cleaning KDE - Anonymous - 2005-05-31

It's at least planned to clean up many of these things.

Re: Cleaning KDE - Thiago Macieira - 2005-05-31

Yes, we plan to fix everything we can get our hands on, not just for KDE 4, but for every release. Some of the changes may be too intrusive, such as the KControl cleanup. Those will wait for KDE4, but rest assured they will happen. And now the mandatory call for help: if you or anyone thinks something could use improvement, help us do it! You don't have to write the code yourself, but giving us constructive criticism is already a start. Name what the main annoyances are, what you think the defaults should be and why, make mockups, etc. We will take everything into consideration --- which does not mean we will make it the way one particular contributor wanted.

Re: Cleaning KDE - Jouni Hätinen - 2005-05-31

Heya, see this edited picture of the great KDE Improvements modification: http://koti.mbnet.fi/jounihat/16962-2.png The root of the problem is, that the details in the detailed tree view are very difficult to use since they're not highlighted in any way. I think a good way to make them more usable would be to bold them. What do you think?

Re: Cleaning KDE - Carlo - 2005-06-01

>Heya, see this edited picture of the great KDE Improvements modification: >http://koti.mbnet.fi/jounihat/16962-2.png That's not an improvement. That's ugly.

Re: Cleaning KDE - Jouni Hätinen - 2005-06-01

Yes, it is ugly. It's just a quick hack to a random screenshot. I just meant to show the idea. The details have to be highlighted some way or another to make them more usable. Highlighting the whole line would be a good idea, but people seem to be very fond of the current "highlight only the text area" -concept.

Re: Cleaning KDE - mmebane - 2005-06-01

That's better, but I think it would be best to highlight the entire line.

Re: Cleaning KDE - ed - 2005-06-01

I agree it's an improvement. Having to read vertically a menu, as it works right now, is dumb. But I think a bigger overhaul needs to be done to the sidebar in konqueror. For example, why is "Storage Media" under "services"(star icon)? I guess it's one of KDE's services, but a user shouldn't have to know that. Yes, I know it's easier to bark than to help. I'm hoping to give some thought on improving the sidebar so as to give users a real powerfull yet easy look into their computers.

Re: Cleaning KDE - What can I do? - charles - 2005-05-31

The best I can do in coding is Visual Basic. However, I know what I want in KDE, and have constructively criticised before. What contribution can I make? One thing I'd like to have solved in Konqueror is the "menu-bar hell." You see, after customizing it the way you like, you might find it completely disorganized next time. The other thing is a request to have these menu bars fully dockable - many times, they fail.

Re: Cleaning KDE - What can I do? - Aaron J. Seigo - 2005-06-02

Q/A, bug triaging, documentation writing, help with promotion. yes, these things may not directly fix the things you are hoping to get fixed, but they help make the project more vibrant which in turn generates more energy and attracts more people to contribute ..... which increases the odds of your pet issues getting fixed by someone sooner =)

Re: Cleaning KDE - Not You - 2005-05-31

And might I remind you that what is irrelevant to you is or may be relevant to me.

Re: Cleaning KDE - Jouni Hätinen - 2005-05-31

Having "Back" "Forward" "Home" "Refresh" etc. buttons in dozens of different places is irrelevant to anybody. A simple, usable default is better than button duplicates everywhere "just in case". You could erase many buttons from Konqueror without removing any of its features. And you can change the defaults, if you really want to.

Re: Cleaning KDE - James Richard Tyrer - 2005-06-02

Re: Konqueror: This is actually a configuration issue. This is all configured by the file: "$KDEDIR/share/apps/konqueror/konqueror.rc" so you don't have to be able to code to make a Konqueror like you want and submit it as a suggestion. One small problem which I have is that there isn't (at least I haven't found it) complete documentation for the syntax of this XML file. Perhaps the a choice of which browser configuration to use should be added to the first time startup wizard. I don't see the Control Center the way that you do, but I do think that it needs improvement. To me, the Control Center is clear example of when design is more improtant than coding. If it needs to be completely redone, it should be designed first, then coded. Some of this has been discussed on: 'kde-usability' but perhaps there should be a list just for the Control Center. I don't find one on the list: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/ The Panel (Kicker) has its own list, why not the Control Center? One user has done a lot of work on this: http://www.csis.gvsu.edu/~abreschm/designs/the-control-panel/ and in this 'Coders Rule' culture, he doesn't get the credit he deserves. His work clearly shows why coders are not the best people to design user interfaces. Even engineers know that some help from artists is a help. There are basic issues with the Control Center that don't require any specific development skills to work on. The first question is whether it should be tree based, multiple dimensioned, or index based. If you don't like the current tree, please submit your proposed tree.

Re: Cleaning KDE - Anonymous - 2005-06-02

> http://www.csis.gvsu.edu/~abreschm/designs/the-control-panel/ I didn't look at the proposals for the reorganization of single modules but the control center navigation looks a bit messy to me. http://ktown.kde.org/~binner/kcontrol5/ looks more clean.

IDEA1 behaviour - Elad - 2005-05-31

It seems that applications using an IDEA1-like interface behave differently now (at least for me). Sub-windows are now sticky by default and an "unsticking" operation is not preserved. Is this a style change or a bug (or am I missing something)? Thanks, Elad

Google Summer of Code - leo spalteholz - 2005-06-01

Sorry, offtopic, but does anyone know if any KDE devs are planning on mentoring in this? Check it out: http://code.google.com/summerofcode.html Faq for mentoring organizations: http://code.google.com/mentfaq.html Could be some free manpower for KDE.

Re: Google Summer of Code - Ted - 2005-06-01

There are some KDE related bounties on the Ubuntu bounty page http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyBounties .

Re: Google Summer of Code - Anonymous - 2005-06-01

> does anyone know if any KDE devs are planning on mentoring in this? They are so don't start coding for GNOME yet. ;-)

Re: Google Summer of Code - Janne - 2005-06-01

Why is it that Gnome-folks seem to take part in those kinds of events, but KDE-folks do not? KDE could benefit from those kinds of things.

Re: Google Summer of Code - Anonymous - 2005-06-01

Be patient. GNOME didn't even understand the rules so far: they seem to think that several people can work on one task and the "bounty will go to the person (or team) who submits a maintainer-accepted patch which results in the single largest reduction in login time" or "bounty will go to the person who submits the best accepted patch to Evolution". If you would be a student in need to survive the summer would you work for a "maybe you will get it" stipend competition not during application- but whole implementation phase?

Re: Google Summer of Code - Max - 2005-06-02

Gnome? It's Google who has set those rules.

Re: Google Summer of Code - Anonymous - 2005-06-02

> GNOME didn't even understand the rules so far To quote from a GNOME blog: "We had to put these together at the last minute (Well, twenty minutes) in an incredibly creative rush, without the usual consultation." KDE instead takes one or two days to put up a well thought-out list.

Re: Google Summer of Code - superstoned - 2005-06-03

typical :D

Is it just me or is bugzilla down - Guss - 2005-06-01

I have some post 3.4.1 bugs to post

Re: Is it just me or is bugzilla down - bugger - 2005-06-01

bugs.kde.org is now available only over HTTPS due to some webcrawler problems.

Re: Is it just me or is bugzilla down - Guss - 2005-06-01

Yes, I see it now - its is not down. I could access it through https previously, but the bug reporting wizard - when invoked from the "report bug" menu entry of an application - crashes after you log in. When I invoke the wizard manually to enter the application details, less information is available but at least it works. thanks.

Bugs not solved - Jeroen - 2005-06-01

I try to understand why they have waited so long for this bugfix release, without solving the major bugs. Like: * KMail/Kontact: When setting bogofilter as your spamkiller with the option to generate filters for it and adding those those filters to the toolbar, Kontact crashes when you open the kmail-part. When having kmail as your default component or your last component, KOntact can start anymore and crashes right away. * Kmail: Toolbar-icons for the spamfilter (see above) are not visible on the toolbar, allthough they are there when you go to toolbar-settings-dialog. * Kmail: When setting a shortcut to the manual spam-filter (I want to use alt+s) (see above), the shortcut is not saved and can only used in the current session. * Konqueror (filemanager): When deleting files (to trash or not to trash) Konqueror crashes once in a while. These crashes where introduced in 3.4.0, but are still present in 3.4.1. Very irritating. All those bugs are not mine alone, users in ircchannel #kde also had the bogofilter-bugs and the unstable filemanager-bugs. So please fix those bugs ASAP!? Jeroen

Re: Bugs not solved - Brad Hards - 2005-06-01

Have you filed bug reports for each problem?

Re: Bugs not solved - Jeroen - 2005-06-01

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=97230 https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90529 The first bug should net never be closed. KDE is using the wrong method to get rid of bugs. I advise to sent all submitters a mail, with the question to see if their bug is still valid in the current KDE release. A cc to other users commenting on the bug, is also a good idea. I can't find the Konq-bug, so if it happens again, I will copy and paste the backtrace and submit a new bug. Cheers, Jeroen

Re: Bugs not solved - Nicolas Goutte - 2005-06-01

Personally I would very much like to ask users if some bug is solved in the next version. However every time I have done it, there was... no answer! So don't get surprised that developers don't do it anymore. As for the kind of bug you see, I am sorry, but that seem to be one of the hardest kinds of bugs: bugs that users see and developers not. Have a nice day!

Re: Bugs not solved - leo spalteholz - 2005-06-02

The konqueror crash on deleting files was very painful and very poor for the image of KDE. It must be a timing issue or Debian specific, because it crashed on my hardware both in my long term debian install, and a fresh install of kubuntu. I'll try it again once I can get linux running on my new laptop.

Re: Bugs not solved - Macavity - 2005-06-02

This must truly be an elusive bug.. i have never ever experienced it, even thoug i have installs of Slackware, Gentoo, LFS/BLFS, Arch Linux and Vector Linux. It might be a good idea to mention if you have SATA disks? Or some odd chipset (nForce?). Can you reproduce it by deleting files on a floppy? ~Macavity

Re: Bugs not solved - James Richard Tyrer - 2005-06-02

Is there a bug for the Konqueror problem? If you could supply a test case that will cause the crash, this would be a large help. I agree that there is room for improvement with how we handle bugs. Specifically, when a bug is a regression, it should be marked as such in BugZilla and indexed as such (Like JJ). Clearly, the usual bug clearance criteria (which I disagree with in general) can not be used for a regression in the current release Branch. Fixing such a bug in Trunk is not what is needed. A Branch regression should always be fixed in the Branch and it should be cleared before the next branch release.

Re: Bugs not solved - Richard Van Den Boom - 2005-06-02

I don't know but I definitely experienced it. It usually occurs to me when I display a directory with a large number of files, in "Display in trees" mode (that's a litteral translation from french, I mean the view where you can expand the contents of a dir, not the icones view), select a good part of them then delete them. It does not occur every time though. However, if I repeat this several times in the same window and dir, konqueror is killed with Sig11. 3 times is usually enough. I was expecting it to be a known issue, since it often occured to me but I realize that it may be because of what I do with my system. So if there's no bug opened in bugzilla, I'll do it. Best regards,

KDE 3.4.1 Klax Live CD Screenshots at OSDir.com - chris - 2005-06-02

http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=352&slide=3

Re: KDE 3.4.1 Klax Live CD Screenshots at OSDir.com - Anonymous - 2005-06-02

IMO better shots at http://www.kde.org/screenshots/kde340shots.php

What happened to mouse wheel scrolling? - Kåre - 2005-06-02

What happened to mouse wheel scrolling in Konqueror?? In KDE 3.4.0 The scrolling is fine, but in 3.4.1 Konqueror continues to scroll for a short time after you have released the scroll wheel on webpages. If this is a feature PLEASE tell me how to turn it OFF. It is not as bad as in IE but it is still annoying.

Re: What happened to mouse wheel scrolling? - Anonymous - 2005-06-02

Did you compile the sources or do you use binary packages (which)?

Re: What happened to mouse wheel scrolling? - Kåre - 2005-06-02

I'm using Suse 9.2 3.4.1-UNSUPPORTED RPMs.

Re: What happened to mouse wheel scrolling? - Anonymous - 2005-06-02

SUSE applies (smooth) scrolling patches to their RPMs so please complain to them.

Re: What happened to mouse wheel scrolling? - Kåre - 2005-06-02

Do you know which files are patched for this? I'm getting annoyed by stuff like this. I'm compiling parts of kdebase to get the kde printer manager back and to be able to change the time and date, trough the clock applet, with KDE's own time tool instead of SUSE's crappy one.

Re: What happened to mouse wheel scrolling? - Anonymous - 2005-06-02

> Do you know which files are patched for this? http://tinyurl.com/76h4m

Re: What happened to mouse wheel scrolling? - Kåre - 2005-06-02

After some googling i found a way to turn it off. kwriteconfig --key SmoothScrolling --type bool false (http://lists.zerezo.com/kde/msg00319.html) Kåre

kclock.kss screensaver - Melchior FRANZ - 2005-06-02

That's slightly OT, but I came across a funny page yesterday: someone "ported" (or rather cloned) my ... err KDE's kclock.kss screensaver (you find it under Miscellaneous/Clock) to Mac OS. Got some nice reviews. :-) http://clocksaver.sourceforge.net/ http://www.macupdate.com/reviews.php?id=17884

Re: kclock.kss screensaver - Adrian Dusa - 2005-09-26

Hi, Sorry to bother, could you please help me on this: how do one starts kclock screensaver in command mode (ie in shell), so that it fills the whole screen? I tried with the --geometry argument, with no avail. Thank you in advance, Adrian