The KDE Project is pleased to announce the immediate availability of KDE 3.5 Beta 2, dubbed "Koalition". The 3.5 Beta 2 info page lists where to download with packages available for Archlinux, Kubuntu, Slackware and SUSE.
The KDE team asks everyone to try the version and give feedback through the bug tracking system. A Klax Live CD is available or you can build it yourself using Konstruct. If you want to see what it looks like OSDir has screenshots.
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But we're not talking about speaking the Inuit language here but about what speakers of English / a well-known musician / the internet audience have made out of a word of Inuit origin. And for the latter the spelling amarok is much more widely used.
Spelling, pronounciation and meaning of words are subject to change. For example, think of how Americans pronounce the expression "deja vu". It's not at all like the French pronounciation of "déjà vu". Note also that déjà lost its accents in many English texts. Do the French complain?
Given the way the French regard their language, they probably do. :-) But that doesn't make ac's sophistry any more valid.
No, only you are wrong. Amarok is the common spelling, and the name of the song. Inuit spellings are not privileged in this regard.
It would be better in the minds of mental defectives.
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What about "Pleeeeaaasssee stop with the dodgy K names! They aren't cool, they're just annoying." is constructive? Generalization of one's personal opinion into some sort of absolute truth is destructive, not constructive.
I love the knames too !
I can see very easily if an app will be well integrated to my desktop and I remember the name of them more easily :)
Keep on going ! ;)
What a kunt!
The original name for kate was kant. Several English speakers (including myself) pointed out the phonetic similarity to a very strong obscenity.
I'm pretty sure KDE Advanced Text Editor is a contrived acronym.
One of the greatest philosophers of all time was an obscenity?
No, he meant the pronounciation of the name Kant had a "phonetic similarity to a very strong obscenity" (in English).
2 times yes ;)
We renamed Kant because of this problematic spelling ;)
And yes, Kate was chosen by me because it
a) starts with K
b) is no hacked together name but just a normal girl name
(first thought was to use Katie, like the female Konqui, but Katie was already taken by a sf.net project)
The KDE Adv... stuff is just derived, in the old KDE 2.x releases, KWrite was the KDE Adv... thingy, but it just matched the KATE letters by accident so it was taken over.
Hmm, there's also a practical side to it...it's easy to search the internet with a program name that is distinguishable from common (english) words, you generally get better link relevance.
Good point! Especially from a "kpromoteing" point of view.
This can be viewed as a naming convention.
And this is good. I find convenient, when I browse news,
to detect immediatly if a software is a KDE software or not.
Just as G for GNOME is a good thing: some people look for
applications for the desktop they use, and do not want to
check readme/download and inspect if this it is not for
their desktop.
And do not tell apps work nicely in other desktop, that's
stupid: they load a bunch of useless (for already launched apps)
libraries, they do not integrate well and are not consitent.
In one word, KApplication is a good name for KDE applications,
even if the K replace a valid C/Q in an English word - especially
if the word can be a valide German word (why use only English
names?). At least, the app name is not a single word (Windows,
Word, Write, etc. is really a stupid naming scheme and brings
copyright absurdities btw).
>In one word, KApplication is a good name for KDE applications, even if the K replace a valid C/Q in an English word - especially if the word can be a valide German word (why use only English names?)
I agree that if substituting with a k makes it a valid German word that is just an added bonus (for those who speak German that is), but any and all names should have English origin, as only some 85-100 milion people worldwide speak German. It annoys me that there is a progame involved in the buildprocess called "meinprog" (eventhough I'm Danish, and hence understand basic German).
Just my 0.2€ opinion.
> as only some 85-100 milion people worldwide speak German
It's more than 120 million people worldwide and it is the language with the most native speakers in the EU.
If we name apps by popularity, shouldn't they be WinWord and WinConsole? After all, more people use apps prefixed with Win- than speak German *or* English. ;)
According to your logic, all apps should be named in Chinese.
BTW, it's meinproc, not meinprog.
> It annoys me that there is a progame involved in the buildprocess
> called "meinprog"
then why are you using it?
now that 'gcc' thingy really drives me crazy...
what kind of language is THAT supposed to be!
cc means "C Compiler"
The g is for GNU.
So in full: "GNU C Compiler"
Have a nice day!
Gcc means GNU Compiler Collection
That is the new meaning.
What exactly is your point? The old meaning was GNU C Compiler.
Oy -- where's the delete button? Mea maxima culpa for my foolish post above.
According to your logic, all apps should be named in Chinese.
BTW, it's meinproc, not meinprog.
Why? It is spelled correctly, and there was no substitutions of k for c.
Assuming you're German.
and Czech too ;)
No, the K is important, it lets you know its a KDE compliant application off the bat.
Much as the Gnome people should stick with G-apps..
Do we end up with some silly names? Sure, but its useful.
Only an utter fool would complain about a release name.
I really hope the default splash screen in the final release won't be the one in the screenshots. I mean, it looks like it was done by a 10 y.o. kid... especially the use of the Impact font (how lame!). And the shade of blue clashes with the default background. And the K logo is really out of place. And... please change it!!
I agree... the double K-logo looks out-of-place. Maybe some darker colors please?
Thanks
Sam
Agreed ... the splash is pretty horrible.
yup, it's pretty ugly, perhaps time to do a little color-theme updating for the final release? aren't we all pretty tired of the blue?
Yep, the color scheme for the splash screen is not too good, looks washed out.
ok, so I see many people agree with me... any plan to change it? any artist working on it?
I just compiled beta 1 !
But something is broken (panels).
Second attempt under way! :)
The compilation requirements page says "While there have been reports of successful KDE compilations with the so-called gcc-2.96 and gcc-3.4 (cvs), the KDE project at this time recommends the use of gcc-3.3.1 or a version" known to compile KDE correctly.
'gcc-3.4 (cvs)' should have been 'gcc-4.1 (cvs)', and 'gcc-3.3.1' should have been gcc-3.3 or later.
Hey, no problem at all. Slackware includes gcc-3.3.6 :)
Nearly all other must downgrade his cra.. holy stuff ;)
That's out of date, you compile with GCC 3.3 , GCC 3.4 , GCC 4.0 maybe GCC CVS (for the bleadding edge people)
For what it's worth, GCC 4.0.2 is required for certain things anyway (visibility support) and compiles KDE perfectly.
[alistair] 15:24 [~] gcc -v
Using built-in specs.
Target: x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu
Configured with: ../gcc-4.0.1/configure --prefix=/usr --libexecdir=/usr/lib --enable-shared --enable-threads=posix --enable-__cxa_atexit --enable-clocale=gnu --enable-languages=c,c++ --disable-multilib
Thread model: posix
gcc version 4.0.1
How does beta2 relate to "KDE 3.5 Feature Plan", http://developer.kde.org/development-versions/kde-3.5-features.html , which shows roughly 1/3 features still TODO and another 1/3 still in progress? There's no "Last Modified" date on the feature plan page.
It's amazing the KDE contributors are able to develop 3.4.3, 3.5, and KDE4 in parallel!
Never trust the feature plan.
Some things on there will never be done. Many things that are done never appear there.
Correct, take one of the widely known new feature, the addblock filter for Konqueror. It's not on the list as far as I can see.
And you forgot to mention the case when the developers have not had time/forgoten to update the status.
then take it offline if it doesnt contain any usefull and updated info !
its misleading ....
it's a resource for the KDE developers. It was never meant for the end-users. That's why it is on developer.kde.org.
So don't look at it if it contains misleading information for you.
You must be joking.
98% of KDE developers work for 3.5, 2% work for KDE 4.0, and yes 0% work for 3.4 as 3.4 is now deprecated.
Then who is making the updates to the 3.4 BRANCH on SVN?
Since 3.5.0 still hasn't been released, there should be a final bug fix release for the 3.4 series.
Nobody anymore.
KDE 3.4.3 was the last release version for KDE 3.4.x (except emergencies).
Have a nice day!
If I find that I can't that I can't function in with Beta 2, is there some safe way for me to downgrade back to 3.4?