Hooray, it's a 4.1.1!
Wednesday, 3 September 2008 | Skuegler
After last week's update to the KDE 3.5 series, today's KDE release updates the stable KDE 4.1 branch to KDE 4.1.1. It bears the codename "Cebidae" referring to an in-joke often made during Akademy 2008. With only a good month of development time -- and Akademy in between -- the changelog is still impressively long. Pretty much all applications have received the developers' attention, resulting in a long list of bugfixes and improvements.
The most significant changes are:
- Significant performance, interaction and rendering correctness improvements in KHTML and Konqueror, KDE's webbrowser
- User interaction, rendering and stability fixes in Plasma, the KDE4 desktop shell
- PDF backend fixes in the document viewer Okular
- Fixes in Gwenview, the image viewer's thumbnailing, more robust retrieval and display of images with broken metadata
- Stability and interaction fixes in KMail
To find out more about KDE 4.1, please refer to the KDE 4.1.0 and KDE 4.0.0 release notes. KDE 4.1.1 is a recommended update for everyone running KDE 4.1.0. It will be followed up by more x.y.z updates over the next months and ultimately by a new feature release, KDE 4.2.0 this coming January. Enjoy KDE 4.1.1 and let us know your findings.
Comments:
Thank you! - fhd - 2008-09-03
KDE 4.1 is a dream that came true! I really love the new release cycle :) (Except Akonadi usage and an Akonadi plug-in for opensync - the only thing I'm missing. But I'll just not sync my PDA until it's there. I just love KDE 4 and Kontact 4 too much to stay with 3.x)
Re: Thank you! - Lyle Howard Seave - 2008-09-03
You named it "ce bidet"? I must try to make it to Akademy 2009.
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KWin - Alejandro Nova - 2008-09-03
Reading through the release notes... it seems that all KWin bugfixes were not backported and KWin 4.1.1 is exactly the same that KWin 4.1.0. I'll wait for 4.2 then.
Re: KWin - Janne - 2008-09-03
What's wrong with Kwin? And what makes you think that it received no updates?
Re: KWin - Ian Monroe - 2008-09-03
From the "can't figure out how to view the history of a directory dept": http://websvn.kde.org/tags/KDE/4.1.1/kdebase/workspace/kwin/lib/kdecoration.cpp?view=log
Re: KWin - sebas - 2008-09-03
With the following command, you can see what happened in KWin between 4.1.0 and 4.1.1: svn log -r 836925:853709 svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/KDE/kdeplasma-addons There are 5 closed bugs in there, and some other stuff. (167935, 168435, 169045, 156312 and 168160) The changelog on the websites is not always complete, since it takes an extra step to record changes there.
Re: KWin - Alejandro Nova - 2008-09-04
Oh, thank you. I didn't really know that the changelog wasn't complete. So, my apologies and my thanks go to the KWin department. It's good to be wrong sometimes.
Re: KWin - Dan - 2008-09-04
Err, that is completely inaccurate. KWin isn't kdeplasma-addons, so those numbers are not at all correct.
Re: KWin - Aaron Seigo - 2008-09-04
indeed; it should have been svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/KDE/workspace/kwin/, and i count 7 bugs closed and a couple additional important backports such "Make sure idling does not actually cause big load by a repeating quick timer caused by dynamically adjusting the next repaint when using vsync." and "Don't lose the desktop submenu in Alt+F3."
Re: KWin - Kevin Kofler - 2008-09-08
Actually it should have been svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/branches/KDE/4.1/workspace/kwin/
Loving it! - Tsiolkovsky - 2008-09-03
I'm already running Mandriva 2009 cooker with KDE 4.1.1 packages and I'm loving it so far. Great job all people!
Background color in tray icons - Matic - 2008-09-03
Has the background color problem with icons in tray been fixed, or is the background color still different from the tray background? For example, if the panel background color is gray, the icon background is white (no transparency).
Re: Background color in tray icons - Aaron Seigo - 2008-09-03
this likely won't be properly fixed until 4.2 when we get a new systray widget (currently in playground, and a lot more interesting for the future as well ..)
Spread the good news - Tsiolkovsky - 2008-09-03
http://digg.com/linux_unix/KDE_Community_Stabilizes_Desktop_with_KDE_4_1_1 http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/6zend/kde_community_stabilizes_desktop_with_kde_411/ http://www.fsdaily.com/EndUser/KDE_Community_Stabilizes_Desktop_with_KDE_4_1_1
Re: Spread the good news - stemplar - 2008-09-03
And spread more good news regarding KDE in general on the KDE Reddit page: http://www.reddit.com/r/kde/
Desktop effects broken? - anonymous - 2008-09-03
Anyone else experiencing broken desktop effects? They used to work on my OpenSUSE 11.0 install before the update and I'm positive the Nvidia-driver is still working fine, but now KDE is lacking all 3D-infused bling.
Re: Desktop effects broken? - Franck - 2008-09-03
Same problem here. I'm also using openSUSE 11.0. (x64 version)
Re: Desktop effects broken? - Jake - 2008-09-03
and here too. I use with 32-bit OpenSuse 11.1.1 ...no efect, no traculate, no shadow, no wiggly (?), etc... nothing 3-D
Re: Desktop effects broken? - Jake - 2008-09-03
little more... before it works well - only plasma crashes! with GeForce 7600 GS if I will do someting with OpenOffice
Re: Desktop effects broken? - PA3MEP - 2008-09-03
Same here. No desktop effects on openSuse 11.
Re: Desktop effects broken? - Jake - 2008-09-03
and calender broken too
Re: Desktop effects broken? - taerde - 2008-09-03
perhaps your calendar problem is related to this bug: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=409438
Re: Desktop effects broken? - anon - 2008-09-03
using opensuse 11.1 means you are using an alpha so it will have problems I'm on opensuse 11. and have no problems.
Re: Desktop effects broken? - Sebastian - 2008-09-04
On openSuse 11.0 I updated KDe at this moment and can confirm the bug.
Re: Desktop effects broken? - Jake - 2008-09-04
sorry, I mean openSuse 11.0 and KDE 4.1.1
Re: Desktop effects broken? - yakub - 2008-10-21
same here no desktop effects
Re: Desktop effects broken? - Bruce - 2008-09-04
It works for me but I have re-enable the effects after any reboot. After a reboot they do not work, so I have to go through the hassle of re-enabling them, thankfully I don't reboot very often openSUSE 11.0 32bit
Re: Desktop effects broken? - Adam - 2008-09-04
I'm having the same problem openSUSE 11.0 32 bit, I haven't tried to re-enable all of the effects but I am on a laptop so reboot is a common thing.
Re: Desktop effects broken? - kailed - 2008-09-03
Add your comment here: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=422532
Just NVIDIA? - Sebastian - 2008-09-04
Now that NVIDIA fixed their drivers to work with KDE 4.1.0... Seems they are on pressure when each new KDE release makes their drivers fail. Lubos Lunak asks for affected user who don't use NVIDIA. Are there any?
Re: Just NVIDIA? - Adam - 2008-09-04
I'm using ATI and having this problem, currently commenting in the bug report to Novell.
Re: Desktop effects broken? - Peppe Bergqvist - 2008-09-03
Works perfectly for me, got all the shadows and bling bling. Using Kubuntu 8.04, Nvidia 8400 GS, Nvidia driver 177.67
Re: Desktop effects broken? - Tony O'Bryan - 2008-09-03
I have all desktop effects working on Kubuntu 8.04.
Re: Desktop effects broken? - axel - 2008-09-04
It's the same for me. I'm using openSUSE 11.0 x86_64 with Nvidia GeForce 8500 GT, driver 173.14.12, no 3D at all.
Re: Desktop effects broken? - flark - 2008-09-04
Same here on OpenSuSE 11.0 (kernel 2.6.25.11-0.1-default,x86_64) with Nvidia-driver version 173.14.12; Compiz-git works, all 3D works but no "3D-infused bling".
Re: Desktop effects broken? - Sebastian - 2008-09-04
It seems that openSuse has backported a patch to Kwin that 'checks' the features of the graphics driver. Either the check is buggy or the driver...
Re: Desktop effects broken? - Sebastian - 2008-09-05
Fixed in kwin-4.1.1 package revision 57.1.
Re: Desktop effects broken? - axel - 2008-09-05
Yep, thanks for the quick and great work
Re: Desktop effects broken? - ryaxnb - 2008-09-05
:/ Broken here. I'll live without em till mandriva backports the fix from the latest svn or whatever. Mandrive 2009.0 RC1 Intel IGP
Thanks - Franck - 2008-09-03
Thx to all the KDE developers for the great work they do!
LIST OF GENERAL AREAS NOT WORKED ON MORE USEFUL - Bob Smits - 2008-09-03
Many of us are waiting for 4.whatever to stabilize before adopting it. I am not going to switch until I know that the apps I need are ready for use. So, while I'm happy with the long list of things that have been worked on, what I need to know is what areas are yet to receive attention so I can see if there are any show stoppers for me. I don't mean, either, an exhaustive list of every bug, but one in general categories. Tell me, for example Kpilot is working. Or that all the major bugs in KDE PIM are fixed. Or that 90% of the major bugs and 60 % of the minor ones are fixed for a category. That would go farther to encourage people to switch or try 4.x than a list of the latest items that are fixed, which may or may not include the specific apps we're interested in. Thanks for your efforts...Bob
Re: LIST OF GENERAL AREAS NOT WORKED ON MORE USEFUL - KDEler - 2008-09-03
"Tell me, for example KPilot is working." "Yes, master, of course, master, anything you say master: KPilot is working." Anything else?
Re: LIST OF GENERAL AREAS NOT WORKED ON MORE USEFU - Aaron Seigo - 2008-09-03
it's a little unrealistic to expect that kind of customized communication, i think. for starters, different people care about different things. i don't use kpilot, so it doesn't matter to me personally. but others, such as yourself, rely on it and as such that could be a showstopper for you. covering every possible issue would be a rather large task and you'd still be left sorting and sifting through all the information to find the important bits for you. this is no different than in kde 3, either. it's simply the scope of the project and the number of users combined (both being in the category of "very large"). as for KPilot, i think that's on the rails for 4.2 (a bunch of work happened during or since Akademy iirc). as for KDE PIM, i dont' know about all major bugs (they aren't fixed in 3.5, either), but i'm using KDE4's Kontact for my daily work and it's solid. still, there will be configuration changes coming for 4.2 so if you haven't jumped yet, you may want to hold off until then if you wish to avoid some of that pain (essentially ou may need to re-enter some of your SMTP, POP and/or IMAP settings from what i understand).
Re: LIST OF GENERAL AREAS NOT WORKED ON MORE USEFU - Aaron Seigo - 2008-09-03
ah, one other note: there's hardly any area that isn't being worked on right now. the amount of activity in svn is just insane (in a good way); it's a question of how much progress is being made and along which metrics. but yeah .. i don't really know of many key pieces that aren't being worked on. it's a great time to get involved with KDE as the hive is buzzing with activity....
Re: LIST OF GENERAL AREAS NOT WORKED ON MORE USEFU - susegebr - 2008-09-03
Many thanks to all the devs for the work on kde4 But as you stated in the reply before this one: to be sure most of the bugs repair and features are in place wait for kde 4.2 So i think that we can safely say before the kde3 users Pa and Ma and the cat can switch to kde4 we will have release Kde4.3 or further Otherwise we still have to switch forth and back between kde3 and kde4 and that for sure with plasma. Question: why not a plasma what acts the same as kde3 just 1 desktop icons on desktop icons in panel as kde3 and icons in general as in kde3 no svg So you would not see any difference between kde3 and kde4 Make it a install option.
Re: LIST OF GENERAL AREAS NOT WORKED ON MORE USEFU - fhd - 2008-09-03
If you don't want plasma, nor, svg, and are perfectly happy with kde3, why not use it? I think it will some day be possible to have a kde3 clone with plasma. I wouldn't want one, I began to love plasma the way it is, but a desktop is only really cool if you can make it look like a different OS or environment :) Oh and yeah, Pa and Ma will probably not be using KDE 4 until 4.3 I guess, which will be in one year, pretty early. KDE 4 is probably not debian-stable-stable, and I wouldn't install it for my wife. She has that envyious look on her face seeing my funky plasma though :)
Re: LIST OF GENERAL AREAS NOT WORKED ON MORE USEFU - asshur - 2008-09-03
Regarding Pa and Ma ... Not exactly that relations but M$ users, wife, teenager and K-age daughters, have "suffered" KDE 4.1 f(under Arch) during the month of August, and i have had no complains in almost all their uses (big Kudos to Kopete and DragonPlayer's team)
Re: LIST OF GENERAL AREAS NOT WORKED ON MORE USEFU - Tero - 2008-09-06
"If you don't want plasma, nor, svg, and are perfectly happy with kde3, why not use it?" KDE3 is quite buggy, and those bugs aren't going to get fixed. That is why I, as well as many other people, are waiting for a stable KDE 4 to replace KDE3 with. Now, someone is going to say, why not go for the more stable GNOME then? The answers is, I at least personally prefer the way KDE works, and would like to check a stable KDE 4 first before making such switches to a whole new desktop environment.
Re: LIST OF GENERAL AREAS NOT WORKED ON MORE USEFU - Aaron Seigo - 2008-09-03
> can switch to kde4 we will have release Kde4.3 or further having seen many already switch to 4.1, this doesn't seem accurate. 4.2 will undoubtedly be even better .. but we'll be able to say that about every future release. > why not a plasma what acts the same as kde3 already possible in trunk (which will become 4.2)
Re: LIST OF GENERAL AREAS NOT WORKED ON MORE USEFU - ianb - 2008-09-05
KDE 3.5 behavior would be my preference. There are a LOT of things in plasma that look kind of neat, but I really like 3.5's behavior, and I don't like plasma's at all. For example, knotify4 sat at 97% CPU for several minutes after I created a directory on the Desktop; I may as well have been using a brick as a laptop. Modifying KDE4 settings messed with KDE3.5.9 settings (shouldn't have, separate directories, all that, but it DID mess with them, putting the lie to the clear statement by KDE that one can run the two side-by-side). Unhappy is the least of the words I'd use to describe my thoughts about KDE4.1.1 right now. I would not, at all, describe it as STABLE. Not Debian-STABLE, anyway. Right now, KDE4 is what I would call ALPHA. If you're offended by that, live with it. I had to reboot to make the mouse behave properly again, and it's STILL not quite right, even after I removed KDE4 from the system. I'll wait for more bug fixes. LOTS more bug fixes. I'll wait for 4.2 or maybe further before I try to mess with it again in any serious way. Plasma looks really neat - gotta admit that - but it sucks the cycles out of my CPU, and I need every one of those; and it breaks my system, and I don't need that at all.
Re: LIST OF GENERAL AREAS NOT WORKED ON MORE USEFU - Random Guy 3 - 2008-09-06
Come 4.2, the last piece (that I can see) to make Plasma act like Kicker and KDesktop in KDE 3.5 in all important aspects will be in place: being able to set the folderview as the desktop and have a background. The KNotify4 issue is a bug - I hope you've reported it at bugs.kde.org. If not, it's unlikely to be fixed (since it's not a common issue as far as I'm aware). If changing KDE 4 settings (assuming they are KDE4-specific settings and not system settings) affects the KDE 3 desktop, then it sounds like your distribution hasn't set up the environment properly. By default, both will use ~/.kde, and you need to explicitly set the KDEHOME environment variable or modify the startkde script to alter that. For most people, KDE 4.1 is perfectly usable. There are bugs, for sure, and sometimes people run into ones that are showstoppers, for them at least. But I would strongly disagree that it is unstable. Maybe it doesn't match Debian-STABLE or KDE 3.5.10 stable, but Debian is famously conservative and KDE 3.5.10 is the tenth bugfix release of the fifth feature release of KDE 3, which was nowhere near such a big change from KDE 4 was, or even as KDE 2 was. The truth is that developers can't test every possible setup on every possible system, and the sort of stability you get from Debian-STABLE can only be acheived by the long exposure to a lot of systems that comes from being installed by a wide user base.
Re: LIST OF GENERAL AREAS NOT WORKED ON MORE USEFU - Rob Fargher - 2008-09-03
Well, I still see no way to add a printer in KDE. system-config-printer-kde has no way to set up a printer and system-config-printer-applet-kde doesn't seem to do anything. There is no Printer section in System Settings. The only way I've been able to set up a printer is via http://localhost:631 Also, mailing to Distribution Lists in KMail is still broken. It never expands the list to the individual list members addresses. This is on Kubuntu Hardy. -- Cheers, Rob
Re: LIST OF GENERAL AREAS NOT WORKED ON MORE USEFU - Jonathan Thomas - 2008-09-03
system-config-printer-kde is a Kubuntu tool, so all blame should go to them. :P That being said, the tool has been greatly improved in Intrepid. Adding printers, etc is possible. This is nice because in Hardy I too had to revert to the bare CUPS interface.
Re: LIST OF GENERAL AREAS NOT WORKED ON MORE USEFU - Kevin Kofler - 2008-09-08
Or you could use the regular system-config-printer, which is GTK+-based, but which actually *works*. ;-)
Re: LIST OF GENERAL AREAS NOT WORKED ON MORE USEFUL - sebas - 2008-09-03
If you want to know what is going on, there are a couple of options. As KDE is a Free Software project, you can look as deeply into the kitchen and check out what's cooking as you want. Some pointers in order of depth: - Feature Plan on techbase (http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.2_Feature_Plan) - dot.kde.org - commit-digest.org - planetkde.org - kde-commits (you can read this list of commits via nntp, gmane offers a bridge, or subscribe yourself only to certain areas via commitfilter.kde.org) Please bear in mind that we do not promise anything for future releases. The improvements and additions you can find on those side are all plans, and more a matter of communicating with each other rather than with the public. You might read about new features, but you'll only see them a couple of months later in a released KDE version. The numbers you are after aren't so easy to interpret. What would it mean if 60% of
Re: LIST OF GENERAL AREAS NOT WORKED ON MORE USEFUL - Paul Eggleton - 2008-09-04
... your post was all we got to read? [sorry, I tried, but I could not resist :D]
Re: LIST OF GENERAL AREAS NOT WORKED ON MORE USEFUL - sebas - 2008-09-04
Actually, you got 106% of it to read ... :-)
Re: LIST OF GENERAL AREAS NOT WORKED ON MORE USEFUL - Dave null - 2008-09-05
I'm surprised by some of these responses to a reasonable question: communication regarding the status of KDE components in the 4.x world. It sounds very reasonable.
kopete and yahoo?? - Tom - 2008-09-03
it's still crashing like in 4.1.0 :(
Re: kopete and yahoo?? - Fri13 - 2008-09-03
Have you tried new user account for them? If not, try and report if it still crash to bugs.kde.org with backtrace.
Re: kopete and yahoo?? - Tom - 2008-09-03
Yes I have created a new user account? Why? And yes an bug report is already exist.
Re: kopete and yahoo?? - anon - 2008-09-03
yahoo is working perfectly for me on openSUSE 11. No crashing
Re: kopete and yahoo?? - Tom - 2008-09-04
also opensuse 11 and it doesn't work
the beautyfull made desktop. - draconiak - 2008-09-03
I will test/install the opensuse livecd, tnxs you very much people, its impressing to see the hard work of this mounth (akademy, kde3.5.10, kde4.1.1), would you focus in the kde4 now? or its another 3.5.x release?. cheers from argentina.
Re: the beautyfull made desktop. - André - 2008-09-04
There is no "Or" there. Some people still want to continue to maintain 3.5, others prefer to work on 4. You will probably see releases of both in the future.
Congratz, maybe you could help Gentoo's KDE team? - Benjamin Rosenbaum - 2008-09-03
Congratulations for your newest release from an avid KDE user! For years - it must be around KDE 1.9x I jumped on - I have been using KDE as my one and only working environment and I love it! I couldn't live without it. It's too sad I couldn't try KDE 4.1.0 or even KDE 4.1.1 since there are no ebuilds for it in Gentoo's official tree. Maybe the KDE team can come over and help Gentoo's KDE team to get KDE 3.5.9 and KDE 4.1.1 into the official tree. And no, I don't want to try any obscure overlay from your friend's cat... Greetings Dr. B.Rosenbaum
Re: Congratz, maybe you could help Gentoo's KDE team? - anon - 2008-09-03
Not to be a troll, but both 3.5.9 and 4.0.5 are in the tree right now. kde 4.1.1 is in the testing overlay of the kde team. None of these are marked stable, but at that point you are asking for a lot more :) Yes, they are not in the main portage tree in a way that mom and pop users would get, but what's the point of bleeding edge then... smenon@monalisa ~ $ eix kdelibs [I] kde-base/kdelibs Available versions: (3.5) 3.5.8-r4 ~3.5.9 ~3.5.9-r1 ~3.5.9-r2 ~3.5.9-r3 3.5.9-r4 (kde-4) [M]~4.0.4 [M]~4.0.5 (4.1) {M}(~)4.1.0[1] {M}(~)4.1.0-r1[1] {3dnow acl alsa altivec arts avahi bindist branding bzip2 cups debug doc elibc_FreeBSD fam htmlhandbook jpeg2k kdeenablefinal kdehiddenvisibility kerberos kernel_linux legacyssl lua mmx nls openexr opengl semantic-desktop spell sse sse2 ssl test tiff utempter xinerama zeroconf} Installed versions: 3.5.9-r4(3.5)(01:19:08 PM 08/24/2008)(acl alsa cups fam jpeg2k kerberos kernel_linux openexr spell tiff -arts -avahi -bindist -branding -debug -doc -elibc_FreeBSD -kdeenablefinal -kdehiddenvisibility -legacyssl -lua -utempter -xinerama) 4.1.0-r1(4.1)[1](11:30:43 AM 08/31/2008)(3dnow acl alsa bzip2 fam jpeg2k kerberos mmx nls openexr opengl semantic-desktop spell sse sse2 ssl zeroconf -altivec -bindist -debug -doc -htmlhandbook -test) Homepage: http://www.kde.org/ Description: KDE libraries needed by all KDE programs. [1] "kde" /usr/portage/local/layman/kde-testing
Re: Congratz, maybe you could help Gentoo's KDE team? - Mark Hannessen - 2008-09-04
emerged kde 4.1.1 from kdesvn overlay today running like a sharm :)
Re: Congratz, maybe you could help Gentoo's KDE team? - Ricardo Ferreira - 2008-09-05
One of the reasons why i migrated from gentoo to kubuntu... There's simply not enough packagers for everything in gentoo. I couldn't sustain that situation any longer
Kubuntu - Hobbes - 2008-09-03
As soon as KDE 4.1.1 is released, Kubuntu releases the packages for it. On the same day! So, thanks to Kubuntu team also. I wonder how difficult it is to pack KDE for Kubuntu/Debian. How can they make it so fast? Was it that fast in the past? In the previous commit digest, KDE 4.1.1 was said to be tagged; maybe the delay between the tag and the actual release is there for the distributions? BTW, are there new tools to help? I am thinking about CMake: does it help in packing nowadays?
Re: Kubuntu - Jonathan Thomas - 2008-09-03
Yes, we get about a week from when the release is tagged to when it is released. We were working all last week. (Since we have to make packages for 2 versions of Ubuntu, but we'd have probably spent time on QA anyway) We got the Intrepid packages ready + uploaded a day and a half ago, and uploaded the Hardy packages early this morning.
Re: Kubuntu - anon - 2008-09-03
Opensuse had it on the servers ready to download before it was officially released, lol.
Re: Kubuntu - Adrian Baugh - 2008-09-04
hm, but by the sound of it they could have done with a bit more QA time given the breakage reported above with their packages... :-/ I'll wait a few days to update I think!
Re: Kubuntu - anon - 2008-09-04
the breakage appears to be a nvidia problem, which is out of the hands of distros and kde.
Re: Kubuntu - Kevin Kofler - 2008-09-08
The breakage may or may not be a driver bug (some very similar breakages also show up with some non-nVidia hardware, but those may also be driver bugs). It's triggered by a patch OpenSUSE backported from the 4.2 trunk, and it made it into their 4.1.1 packages despite there having been reports of breakage on the developer's blog, so you may blame them for that. Who is to blame for the actual bug remains to be decided though, I'm inclined to blame the drivers there. NVidia sucks!
NVIDIA does NOT suck! - Sebastian - 2008-09-10
They are working incredibly hard to make their drivers work smoothly with KDE4. And they are doing a good job as well. I am amazed: There has not been any 2d acceleration framework in the drivers and they present a production ready beta driver only a half year later. It does not power up the gpu to its full extent, but it runs smoothly. The broken packages result from experimental "features" openSuse was working on. Yes, openSuse uses their own "fork" of KDE4. Thus, they can provide better usuability than other distributions (particular than Kubuntu to my experience) and sometimes, as in this case, they include improperly tested stuff.
Re: NVIDIA does NOT suck! - Kevin Kofler - 2008-09-11
They will stop sucking the day they actually support Free Software, at the very least by releasing specs like ATI/AMD now does, but ideally by actually developing a Free Software driver in the upstream Linux (kernel), X.Org X11, Mesa and DRI repositories like Intel does. Currently, nVidia does NOT support Free Software in any way, all they release is proprietary crap and they aren't helping the Nouveau project (which tries to actually provide a Free driver) in ANY way.
NVIDIA does NOT suck! - Sebastian - 2008-09-10
Btw: users with ATI cards reported the bug as well.
Switching - Tony O'Bryan - 2008-09-03
I decided that 4.1 has now advanced enough to warrant a full switch. It's a different world than 3.5, but I mostly like it. The major KWin 100% CPU show-stopper that prevented me from switching just a few weeks ago is now gone, and KWin sits at a calm 0 to 1% CPU utilitization when not busy compositing. During heavy compositing, the CPU load briefly goes into the mid to high 30% range, occasionally spiking to 40%, before quickly returning back to 0%. The main significant issue I am experiencing is not KDE4's fault, but rather nVidia's. The well known sluggishness during window resizing is still present in nVidia's driver, but it's just an annoyance at this point. The awesomeness that is KDE 4.1.1 easily overshadows the driver problem. The KDE devs have done a remarkable job at keeping to their intended development schedule. Excellent work!
Re: Switching - Hobbes - 2008-09-03
I am wondering what is the additional power consumption (if any) of KDE 4.1.1 compared to 3.5.10. The underlying question is: should I switch to KDE 4 on my laptop (too)?
Re: Switching - sebas - 2008-09-04
I've done some benchmarking last week, albeit with trunk. It's behaving very nicely now with respect to powersaving. The top 5 wake up reasons are drivers (usb, hda_intel, iwl3945, ata_piix and a kernel scheduler). You can compare yourself using powertop, as it obviously depends a lot on hardware / drivers.
Re: Switching - Sebastian - 2008-09-08
Really? Did you enably sound notifications via knotify as well? With 4.0.5 that one took an enormous amount of wakeups.
Re: Switching - Andreas Pietzowski - 2008-09-03
Are there some (official) news when NVidia is going to fix that XRender issue?
Re: Switching - draconiak - 2008-09-04
yes, soon nvidia will release a beta drive with some updates for the kde 4.x x Render bug. http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=118602
Re: Switching - Mark Hannessen - 2008-09-04
I am using the latest nvidia beta drivers and kde4 performance increases quite a lot with every new beta release they do. They sure are on the right track.
Kopete doesn,t working..buddy pics and webcam.. - neaghi - 2008-09-03
anyway..i check what i'm interesting in kopete...and nothing new..no show buddy pictures, no work webcam(in yahoo protocol, only who interest me).I notice the icon for "Buzz" is anonim, is too hard to draw something like a bell?And i must to say in early stages of KDE4 , in Kopete when click on "participants" in right apear names and pictures of them.I wait for this feature but only name apeare now.what's the plan? no buddy picture in conversation window? I want to know when this features who work good in KDE3, will be present in KDE4.
Re: Kopete doesn,t working..buddy pics and webcam.. - Daniel Winter - 2008-09-04
I do not know anything about video/webcam. But Buddy pictures are working just like in KDE 3.5.9/10. It depends on your chat window style and the settings for your contact list if buddy pictures are shown or not. (at least it is this case for ICQ and Jabber protocol) DanielW
Re: Kopete doesn,t working..buddy pics and webcam.. - neaghi - 2008-09-04
I set buddylist to show pictures, and i get only BIG green balls..i check transfers and working (on my pc i send from KOPETE to PIDGIN and viceversa:P) and webcam,when i don't have libjasper installed i get a warning about, after i installing the packet when click " invite to view...".. nothing happen..Must to say in PIDGIN i see budy pics , in GYACHI idem and webcam working, in DIGSBY the same...the only real hope is MAIKU who work to implement audio video in PIDGIN..and when this is done, i think a lot of people leave Win XP and start to use LINUX..:D Anyway, I like to get a replay from KOPETE developers..what are the plans for this program? All the best !
Have Konqueror and Dolphin been fixed yet? - tracyanne - 2008-09-03
Have the functions removed from Konqueror in KDE 3.5.x been restored to Konqueror and added to Dolphin yet. If not they are still barely usable.
Re: Have Konqueror and Dolphin been fixed yet? - Robert - 2008-09-04
And I have tons (150) of 'konqueror -session' processes also in 4.1.1
Re: Have Konqueror and Dolphin been fixed yet? - Jonathan Thomas - 2008-09-04
This is caused by the javascript debugger, and was fixed after tagging two days ago or so. Your distro may not have incorporated the changes. I know Kubuntu has, though.
Re: Have Konqueror and Dolphin been fixed yet? - Robert - 2008-09-04
It looks for me it's not fixed. I don't use the javascript debugger at the moment and also with latest packages today.. I have the same problem :( After he ask me twice to restore konqueror.. I say no.. and I have my 154 processes.. and 3,4 GB used memory :(
Re: Have Konqueror and Dolphin been fixed yet? - SadEagle - 2008-09-05
Are you sure it's not just saved session from the old version somehow? What happens next login if you kill them?
Re: Have Konqueror and Dolphin been fixed yet? - Robert - 2008-09-05
ok that work.. but IMHO it's a workaround and not a fix!
Re: Have Konqueror and Dolphin been fixed yet? - Daniel Winter - 2008-09-04
How should one answer to it? Delphin got a lot of new features in the 4.1 release. (4.1.1 is a bugfix only release). It even has features which were never there in Konqueror. AND: There will likely always be features in Konqueror which will not make it to Dolphin. So, to answer your question, I need to know what features you are missing in Dolphin. DanielW
Re: Have Konqueror and Dolphin been fixed yet? - too lazy to get kde bug login - 2008-09-04
My only problem is when I use the embedded konsole in dolphin if you have any file selected in the folder view (use ctrl-leftclick to select) dolphin intercepts presses of the spacebar key despite the konsole part having focus (all other character go through fine). I use kde 4.1.64 on suse11. Apologies for rudely hijacking this thread.
Re: Have Konqueror and Dolphin been fixed yet? - Peter Penz - 2008-09-04
This is a temporary issue in trunk because of a colliding shortcut. The issue does not occur on KDE 4.1.x and will for sure be fixed on trunk quite soon.
Re: Have Konqueror and Dolphin been fixed yet? - tracyanne - 2008-09-04
Multi Column View as implemented in Konqueror 3.5.9 is missing, I use that all the time, and there is no replacement for it in either Dolphin or the KDE 4 version of Konqueror, just the fact that that is missing makes both Konqueror 4 and Dolphin barely usable for me. Last time I looked you get three views Icon View, List view and some abortion called Columns that is nothing like Multi Column View.
Re: Have Konqueror and Dolphin been fixed yet? - Peter Penz - 2008-09-04
A "multi column view" is available in Dolphin since KDE 4.0, the icon view can be configured to act as "multi column view" (Dolphin Settings -> Icon View -> Alignment).
Re: Have Konqueror and Dolphin been fixed yet? - tracyanne - 2008-09-05
quote:: the icon view can be configured to act as "multi column view" (Dolphin Settings -> Icon View -> Alignment). Thanks, although I'm pretty sure I tried this, and found it to be less than optimal. Maybe it was the behaviour of the Icons, I'll have to reinstall Mandriva 2009.0 on my test machine again, and refresh my memory.
Re: Have Konqueror and Dolphin been fixed yet? - tracyanne - 2008-09-04
Being able to set Icon size, in Konqueror, or Dolphin if you insist that it replace Konqueror, the way you do in KDE 3.5.9 would be really nice to have. I don't like icons that expand to fill the available space. Getting the tree view on the left panel the way it's implemented in KDE 3.5.9 back would be nice. Once again the icons expanding to fill available space is less than optimal.
Re: Have Konqueror and Dolphin been fixed yet? - Janne - 2008-09-04
"If not they are still barely usable." Since there are loads of people that have been using both for quite some time already, it seems to me that they are already quite usable... I always get slightly annoyed when there is something (be it hardware or software) and someone claims that "if it doesn't get feature X, it's not usable at all!", while there are loads of people using that product at that very moment, and enjoying it. The parent-comment is such a comment. Another one I have seen recently is comments about EEE-PC, where someone complains that "It's useless, since it doesn't have built-in 3G!". Well, those thousands of people who bought one are going to disappointed when they find out that they can't do anything with their new laptop.... Or maybe not.
Re: Have Konqueror and Dolphin been fixed yet? - tracyanne - 2008-09-04
Janne, I use the missing bits almost exclusively, the functionality that is there does not fit with how I do things, I'm not prepared to learn a new way of doing things when the current functionality (on KDE3.5.9) meets all of my needs, and the Functionality available on Dolphin and Konqueror (KDE4) are but pale shadows of the functionality I currently use. The fact that the functionality I depend on is not there makes Dolphin nad Konqueror (KDE 4) barely usable for my needs.
Re: Have Konqueror and Dolphin been fixed yet? - André - 2008-09-04
So, either stay on 3.5, create the view you so desparately need for 4, or pay someone else to do it. Heck, if you think Nautilus is better, by all means use that instead. No one is forcing you to to switch, right? Fact is that many people use the software without having your problem, so stating that it is unusable without <enter your pet feature> is just childish whining IMnsHO.
Re: Have Konqueror and Dolphin been fixed yet? - tracyanne - 2008-09-04
Well at the moment I am forced to use 3.5.9, GNOME is crap, and KDE 4 is still in development. The features I use appear to have been removed from KDE 4 for no good reason, they certainly haven't been replaced with better features. You call it whining, I call it asking for the features that are in 3.5.9 to put back in to 4, or at least given an explanation of why, and what will be done to replace those features in the future. And in point of fact I will be forced at some point to switch, 3.x will be discontinued, and as I said before GNOME is crap, There are many good things in KDE 4, unfortunately there are bits that seem to have been left out, for no good reason, it just so happens they are the bits that make the File manager a useful tool for me.
Re: Have Konqueror and Dolphin been fixed yet? - Anon - 2008-09-04
"or at least given an explanation of why" Things get lost during major changes like KDE3 to KDE4 - some things become easier to implement; others become much harder. It takes manpower to re-implement the missing features and, like most software projects, KDE has a perennial shortage of this. Happy? :)
Re: Have Konqueror and Dolphin been fixed yet? - ne... - 2008-09-04
First off, none of the KDE devs are forcing you to use anything. You made the choice to use it. Second, GNOME is _not_ crap. You may not like it, but calling it crap is just being childish. Thirdly, to state that KDE4 is still in development is an understatement. I sincerely hope that development of KDE4 continues so that it improves over time. Lastly, it seems you like the phrase 'for no good reason'. Soon, someone here will give a pretty good reason to stop whining. It has been made quite clear, over and over, again that features that are present in the KDE3 but not in KDE4 will take time to appear in KDE4 due to various _good_ reasons. Some features will be implemented differently. If you do not appreciate this, I strongly suggest you roll up your sleeves and get coding. The KDE team appreciates people who contribute code. In conclusion, you will need to publicly state how much you have paid the KDE dev team in order to start making demands from them.
Re: Have Konqueror and Dolphin been fixed yet? - tracyanne - 2008-09-04
BI have not made demands, I have made complaints, I did not demand they do anything, I asked when If they had put back the functionality they removed, and stated that without that os features KDE 4 is near useless to me. A demand would be something along the lines of "If you don't do X I will do Y" First off, you won't like my C/C++ code so I won't. Second the KDE team chose to do what they are doing, no one forced them. They also chose to leave out of 4 features that I appreciate and use, that are in 3.x. I don't like that fact, as it makes 4 pretty near useless to me, I have every right to complain, I have. Oh and GNOME is crap, it's ugly, and doesn't have the features that I use in KDE 3.x. As to how much I pay the KDE team, I can't be sure of that, but I do pay for my copy of Mandriva Linux, that costs me about $AU100.00 a year, but that depends on the exchange rate, and has been as High as $AU130.00, How much of that Mandriva contributes to the KDE development process I can't know. So I am in fact a paying customer, so, by your definition I am entitled to complain. It still appears to me that good and useful features were left out of KDE 4, features I depend on, for no good reason, and because they are missing Konqueror/Dolphin is pretty near useless to me.
Re: Have Konqueror and Dolphin been fixed yet? - André - 2008-09-05
Complain to Mandriva then. It is them you are paying, after all.
Re: Have Konqueror and Dolphin been fixed yet? - tracyanne - 2008-09-08
But you see my original post wasn't a complaint, it was a question. I wanted to know if certain functionalities had been put back in. Some one asked what so I told them, I stated that I can't work with KDE 4 Konqueror/Dolpin as they are, as it's not up to Mandriva when those features are added back in, I can't see that asking Mandriva if or when those bits will be put back in has any point at all. You don't have to like it that I find the current release of Konqueror/Dolphin useless, but there you have, it's my problem until they get added back in, and you and anyone else getting upset about me speaking the truth it is really quite silly. One thing we can be sure of, is that if I or anyone else don't point out that we want those features then the KDE team are going to assume that no one wants them. And I've already seen plenty of comments that no one has mentioned them so they aren't high priority.
Re: Have Konqueror and Dolphin been fixed yet? - André - 2008-09-04
> Well at the moment I am forced to use 3.5.9 Forced by whom? And why is that a problem? 3.5 is still maintained, after all. > GNOME is crap I was just using it as an example, and a previous poster was right: it is not crap, it is just (judging from your reponse) not your cup of tea. Fine, it isn't mine either, but I am not about to start a war over it. > and KDE 4 is still in development A very true statement. Maybe you should try to let the consequences of that sink in. It means that KDE is not a finished product, it means that you too can still influence it's path, it means there is a world of opportunities left, but it also means that people still have to do the actual work. > The features I use appear to have been removed from KDE 4 for no good reason, they certainly haven't been replaced with better features. For no good reason? And you know this... how? You do understand that keeping existing features isn't just a matter of not deleting the existing code, I hope? It takes effort and time to port everything to the new infrastructure. I find that even "the current developers of program x are just not interested in feature y" to be a perfectly good reason. Mind you, I am not claiming that KDE works this way in general at all, just that for me, that would be a valid reason. Think of it as an invitation to come and scratch your *own* itch. And no, you too will not be required to work on stuff you don't find useful or interesting. Whether the features have been replaced by something better is debatable. In some cases probably not, in other cases they have. And that is subject to the eye of the beholder. > You call it whining, I call it asking for the features that are in 3.5.9 to put back in to 4, or at least given an explanation of why, and what will be done to replace those features in the future. No, you are misunderstanding me. I don't call politely asking what happened to that feature you likes so much whining, I call your calling "project x is unusable because my pet feature y is not there anymore" whining. There is a difference. There has been plenty of explanation on why a leap in infrastructures was needed. It has filled the KDE blogs and websites for the last two years or so. The answer to your question on what will happen with those features is easily given. If they are more generally considered useful, I am sure they will re-appear at one moment or another. It also depends on if people come to step in to scratch their own itches. It is really not that hard to get into KDE development. > And in point of fact I will be forced at some point to switch, 3.x will be discontinued, Yes, at one point in the future it will be. Now is not that time however; the last release is less than a week old. And even if it is no longer supported, you are still not forced to switch. It still works for you, right? It is not like the bits will start rotting if they don't get cleaned by some developer once in awhile. > There are many good things in KDE 4, unfortunately there are bits that seem to have been left out, for no good reason, it just so happens they are the bits that make the File manager a useful tool for me. Yes, there *are* many good things in KDE 4! Thanks for noticing, we love to hear about those too. As said before: if you think the current file manager is not up to your standards or even developed in a direction that you don't fancy, what is to stop you to use the KDE 3 version of konqueror for that? You still can, you know, even if the rest of your system is KDE 4. What is stopping you from contributing to make the KDE 4 version at least as great as the KDE 3 version?
Re: Have Konqueror and Dolphin been fixed yet? - tracyanne - 2008-09-04
quote:: What is stopping you from contributing to make the KDE 4 version at least as great as the KDE 3 version? the lack of ability to write anything more than "Hello World" in C/C++. The KDE team won't like my code, you can be certain of that. quote:: For no good reason? And you know this... how? "The features I use appear to have been removed from KDE 4 for no good reason..." They are not there, I have seen no explanation of why, or even a suggestion that they will be restored at a later date.
Re: Have Konqueror and Dolphin been fixed yet? - André - 2008-09-05
But the point is that you don't *know* the reason for the removal, right? So, if you don't know the reason, how can you judge if it is not a good reason. And please, take into account my previous statement that "the developer not being all that interested in that particular feature" is a good reason, at least in my book.
Re: Have Konqueror and Dolphin been fixed yet? - tracyanne - 2008-09-08
quote:: And please, take into account my previous statement that "the developer not being all that interested in that particular feature" is a good reason, at least in my book. It's not in mine.
Re: Have Konqueror and Dolphin been fixed yet? - Janne - 2008-09-04
"Well at the moment I am forced to use 3.5.9" No you are not. You choose to use it. "and KDE 4 is still in development." Damn straight it is. KDE3 was in developement for 6.5 years before 3.5.10 was released! And in many ways, KDE3 is still in developement! "and in point of fact I will be forced at some point to switch, 3.x will be discontinued" No-one is going to remove KDE3 from your hard-drive. You could happily use it for years to come. "There are many good things in KDE 4, unfortunately there are bits that seem to have been left out, for no good reason" What makes you think that the reasons for the removal of those features are not good?
Re: Have Konqueror and Dolphin been fixed yet? - tracyanne - 2008-09-04
quote:: What makes you think that the reasons for the removal of those features are not good? The lack of reasons given for removing useful features.
Re: Have Konqueror and Dolphin been fixed yet? - André - 2008-09-05
Where did you look for those explanations? Did you read the commit logs or something like that?
Re: Have Konqueror and Dolphin been fixed yet? - JRT - 2008-09-08
"or at least given an explanation of why" First, I agree with you. There are features in KFM (konqueor File Manager) in 3.5.10 that I find highly useful that were missing in 4.0.y. These missing features did result in a large reduction in usability for some purposes. There is hope. Some of them have reappeared in TRUNK and some of the bugs related to them have been fixed. I don't know if this is the "why" but it is the reason. Konqueror 3.x.y used two KFM KParts for file management (depending on whether you used icon view or list view). Konqueror 4.x.y uses a Dolphin KPart for file management. KFM was not ported and the Dolphin part simply doesn't have all of the features. Then there were the add-ons & Tools; these have not all been ported either. Yes, this begs the question which now is: 'why are these features are missing from the Dolphin part?' Well (DUH!), they haven't been added yet. To me this seems like a high priority issue, but others don't see it that way. So, all I can tell you to do is wait unless you want to join the Konqueror/Dolphin team.
Regressions - Brian O'mahoney - 2008-12-25
One thing Linus says often is that _regressions_ are a really bad thing. He is right, when you read lists like this you wonder if the noise/signal ratio has negated even Google's relevance criteria. Fifteen years ago "things could get broken" now that __should_not_happen__ in stuff labeled -beta, -rc, -ga, and if functionality is reorganised it __must__ go into the release notes. Unless you are secretly, on M$ and Balmer's side, dont do it. No doc ... -> no change. Now, next major gripe, there are a small number of absolutely critical major components of GNU?/Linux, the kernel itself, gcc, glibc [all of which are fine] and Mozilla (Firefox/Seamonkey), KDE, OO, Mono and the Java collection where it is clear that the developers are hostile or unhelpful to non-clique contribution. This first manifests itself in an arcane and poorly documented 'get source', configure, build processes [ eg it took nearly a month to figure out how to get a working build of the Mozilla components since the documentation of CVS/SVN and moz(illa)conf was just missing/wrong. Use the Source, Luke _only_ really works when that is possible, if you can't (a) grab the source eg ftp: http: git -clone svn hg cvs (b) read INSTALL (c) do what it says (d) make ... get a working binary, ... the project is arrogant, lazy or careless. It should __not__ take more than an hour to figure out, from the documentation, how to build anything, and if you really need some fantastically complex build procedure, ship as .sh file.
Re: Have Konqueror and Dolphin been fixed yet? - Janne - 2008-09-04
"Janne, I use the missing bits almost exclusively," And others do not. The point is that those apps are not "unusable" just because they are lacking features you need. It might be unusable for you, but it's perfectly usable to others. "I'm not prepared to learn a new way of doing things when the current functionality (on KDE3.5.9) meets all of my needs" Then by all means keep on using 3.5. No-one is forcing you to use KDE4. So what exactly is the problem here?
Re: Have Konqueror and Dolphin been fixed yet? - tracyanne - 2008-09-04
quote:: And others do not. The point is that those apps are not "unusable" just because they are lacking features you need. It might be unusable for you, but it's perfectly usable to others. Almost unusable, is the term I used. Others my have work arounds that they find get them past the missing features, I may have too, but that doesn't mean I can't complain about missing functionality. Yes there are some really nice touches to KDE4, unfortunately, for me, the fly in the ointment makes the rest of the ointment unusable. I stated that. I started this by asking if those features had been put back, the response that said 4.1.1 is a bug fix made it clear that they had not.
Re: Have Konqueror and Dolphin been fixed yet? - Random Guy 3 - 2008-09-06
Workarounds? The only missing feature I've noticed is that if I use dolphin and open a file, it no longer opens in the same window. However, I can use konqueror with the dolphin part to get that back. I don't work around anything, because there's nothing I have used in the past that is missing. I find dolphin very usable. Much more so that Konqueror in 3.5, actually. So your statement that dolphin and konqueror are "unusable" (or even "almost unusable") is indeed incorrect. I disprove it every day I use Dolphin with no issues.
Re: Have Konqueror and Dolphin been fixed yet? - tracyanne - 2008-09-08
quote:: So your statement that dolphin and konqueror are "unusable" (or even "almost unusable") is indeed incorrect. I disprove it every day I use Dolphin with no issues. I said I find them almost unusable. If you are happy with them as they are or have a workaround you are happy with that's what you'll be happy with.
Re: Have Konqueror and Dolphin been fixed yet? - fhd - 2008-09-04
I think dolphin is fine so far, though the tree view is pretty annoying and it is way too complicated to turn it on. I like dolphin and use it for my file browsing needs. I like konqueror the way it is too, I made it my default browser at home, since no other linux browser I ever tested is that fast, and has the best feature ever: reveiled when pressing the left ctrl key! I get no SVG in konq atm, but this is the only drawback. I recently tried konqueror for file browsing and it was a bad joke. That's not konqueror, that's a big dolphin window with "konqueror" written on the title bar. This can't be KFM. I'm no konqueror pro, and I don't know if my openSUSE factory packages for 4.1 are broken, but if it is the way it is for me, I can honestly understand why many konqueror file browsing fans out there are crying.
Re: Have Konqueror and Dolphin been fixed yet? - Peter Penz - 2008-09-04
> I think dolphin is fine so far, though the tree view is pretty > annoying and it is way too complicated to turn it on. Could you please give some more input what parts of the "tree view" are annoying for you? It's tricky to fix your issue without further input ;-) Also I don't understand whats way too complicated to enable the tree view: It's a checkbox... > I recently tried konqueror for file browsing and it was a bad joke. > That's not konqueror, that's a big dolphin window with "konqueror" > written on the title bar. This can't be KFM. Well, Konqueror still can embed any kind of file-view and is not restricted to the Dolphin KPart. It "just" would take someone who ports those view-KParts from KDE 3 to KDE 4 (-> all 7 views from KDE 3 would be available 1:1 in Konqueror for KDE 4). But it seems that the demand for this is not high enough, to motivate someone implementing this. Maybe a lot of people can live quite well with the "bad joke" ;-)
Re: Have Konqueror and Dolphin been fixed yet? - fhd - 2008-09-04
> Could you please give some more input what parts of the "tree view" are > annoying for you? It's tricky to fix your issue without further input ;-) > Also I don't understand whats way too complicated to enable the tree view: > It's a checkbox... I expected to be able to turn on tree view, just like detail and symbol view, from the view menu. The application settings where the last place where I considered looking for it. I didn't like the treeviews behaviour very much because I'm used to windows explorers and konquerors navigation. Playing around with it some more, I find it pretty shiny, one just has to keep in mind that there are three parts on a folder entry he can click, and everything will result in different behaviour: plus: expand in tree view symbol: select/deselect name: navigate into it And I never want to navigate into it in treeview. So let's say I began to like it, though I think the konqueror 3 style is more suited for file manager power users, which I am not. > Well, Konqueror still can embed any kind of file-view and is not restricted > to the Dolphin KPart. It "just" would take someone who ports those > view-KParts from KDE 3 to KDE 4 (-> all 7 views from KDE 3 would be available > 1:1 in Konqueror for KDE 4). But it seems that the demand for this is not > high enough, to motivate someone implementing this. Maybe a lot of people can > live quite well with the "bad joke" ;-) Including me. The "bad joke" is that it's not konqueror anymore, it's dolphin inside konqueror. Because it's the very same KPart AFAIK. I'm not a dolphin enemy, nor a konqueror fanboy. I can just feel with some (apparently non-programming) konqueror fanboys whining because of that.
Re: Have Konqueror and Dolphin been fixed yet? - Kevin Kofler - 2008-09-08
SVG in Konqueror/KHTML is coming back in 4.2.
+1 I really would like these features for 4.2 - Max - 2008-09-04
http://www.linux.com/feature/146323 Those are some great feature suggestions. Could we possibliy implement them by 4.2? btw. Great job everybody on KDE 4.1 !!!\
Re: +1 I really would like these features for 4.2 - Aaron Seigo - 2008-09-04
some of those items are already in trunk; some aren't. probably some won't be in 4.2, knowing how idle wishlists go =) > Could we possibliy implement them by 4.2? you used the magic word "we". alone, no one could do it all. together we can; indeed we are. fire up your text editors =)
Re: +1 I really would like these features for 4.2 - winter - 2008-09-04
I love that - Gentlemen "fire up your text editors..." Muhahaha...
Kontact - slow class question - Gerry - 2008-09-04
I'm using 4.1.1 and it all seems a bit nicer. I've lost special effects as other opensuse users report but I can live with that in the short term, however.... In Kontact, Calendar view, I've lost my todo list and two months worth of dates. I am only getting my diary. I'm sure the inconvenience is easy fixable by finding the right configuration options, but I'm failing the intelligence test. Any clues offered gratefully received
Re: Kontact - slow class question - sebas - 2008-09-04
Best is probably to follow the bugreport on bugs.novell.com as to the effects issue, and to contact the kdepim-users@kde.org list about your calendar view issues, the people that will be able to help you might not read the Dot that closely, and it's a poor way to provide support.
libphonon - michael juergi - 2008-09-04
Anyone knows where to obtain libphonon? (Note - i am not using a distribution so please dont tell me to use packages. I compile everything from source here.) kdelibs seems to require it but google gives me no usable info on how to obtain phonon.
Re: libphonon - tbscope - 2008-09-04
Phonon is in the KDE Support module.
Re: libphonon - Morty - 2008-09-04
Qt.
Re: libphonon - Stefan - 2008-09-04
4.4
Re: libphonon - Random Guy 3 - 2008-09-06
Phonon is released as part of Qt 4.4, but you can get a more recent version (and one recommended for use with KDE 4.1) at ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/phonon/4.2/.
Re: libphonon - Kevin Kofler - 2008-09-08
And you'll need at least one of xine-lib or GStreamer to actually get any sound and video out of it.
Re: libphonon - muny - 2008-09-08
Even you arent use any distro, and prefer the lfs touch, you could use some distro tools. Sophie is our friend ;) http://sophie.zarb.org for example : find the libphonon in all version of (mandriva,fedora,centos, arklinux, PLD, Scientific linux, etcetc...) : http://sophie.zarb.org/filefind?distrib=&version=&arch=&filename=libphonon You could view where this library is packaging... distro by distro, version by version (evolution...). Maybe sophie could be usefull for lfs users too, when a question like yours comes ? Regards.
I agree - John - 2008-09-04
I agree that it would be nice to see how far things are moving along. I also agree that it is better to wait for at least 4.2 or higher. I tried 4.1 and it is not for me. I will upgrade when the OS I am using forces me to upgrade or every thing I want to use only has versions for KDE 4. To many windows that pop up asking for passwords do not allowed those to be entered and then you have to cancel the window. I know this might be the OS I have chosen as well but these problems just make me want to use what I am used to.
Re: I agree - Aaron Seigo - 2008-09-04
> To many windows that pop up asking for passwords which windows are these, exactly? e.g. what program do they belong to?
Re: I agree - John - 2008-09-04
This mainly has to deal with synaptic which I know is not your issue but some times it works fine but most of the time it does not. I like the old desktop model any ways so I will just stick with it as long as I can.
Re: I agree - Jonathan Thomas - 2008-09-04
Synaptic is a Gnome app.
Re: I agree - Jonathan Thomas - 2008-09-04
Oops, missed the "I know it's not your issue" part. ;-)
Good job - Michal - 2008-09-04
Great job KDE dudes!
change - R. J. - 2008-09-04
change takes getting used to. I constantly read, I am not moving to 4.1 until..... I can't help but wonder if this was windows would these people still be on windows 95. I moved to KDE 4 when it came out, and it took getting used to, but there is no way that I regret it, or that I could even imagine not using it. Please, enough of the I am not moving to it until. if you really feel that strong then start helping these amazing people out with building KDE and stop the moaning.
Re: change - sebas - 2008-09-05
From my experience, there's a common attitude among developers to just ignore the "if you don't implement X, I'll use something else" kind of threats. And rightfully so, if you ask me. It's fine to state that KDE4 is not (yet) your kind of thing, but put in this way, it's just most likely to be ignored or cause the opposite direction.
Re: change - Koko - 2008-09-05
amen.
Re: change - tracyanne - 2008-09-05
quote:: I can't help but wonder if this was windows would these people still be on windows 95. an inordinately large number of people still are, well Win 98, I even manage to get some of them to Linux a try, but mostly they won't move to anything until the hardware breaks.
Re: change - tracyanne - 2008-09-05
quote: if you really feel that strong then start helping these amazing people out with building KDE and stop the moaning. what would you suggest? my C/C++ is crap, and I don't think they accept C#/Mono or even GAMBAS or realBASIC BASIC code. Would you have those people move to KDE 4 before it has the feature set they need, what would be the point of that? When that feature set is there, then they can usefully provide bug reports on it, but until then, for them it's sheer masochism to try using something that doesn't meet their needs. Not everyone can write code, not everyone who can code can write in the language(s) the KDE team use. but a lot of people have come to depend on features built into the software that the KDE team, for whatever reason - pay, pleasure altruism, fame, notoriety - write. Those people have a right to comment on the usability of the software, just as anyone who can and does contribute code. The KDE team chose to write this code, they chose to put it out there, for the world to comment on. No sane person could possibly expect that all they are ever going hear are compliments, and the "if you don't like it, contribute" response is simply disingenuous.
Re: change - Morty - 2008-09-05
"what would you suggest?" "Not everyone can write code, not everyone who can code can write in the language(s) the KDE team use." There are lots of other ways to help other than writing code. Such contributions usually result in freeing developers to use more time to do what they are best at, writing code. There are lot's of jobs ready for the picking not needing any coding skill like writing documnetation and whats this messages, triaging bugs, usability testing and even helping out with the websites/infrastructure. There are no greate barriers to overcome to start contributing, other than simply start doing it.
Re: change - anon - 2008-09-05
As already stated you can contribute to KDE in many ways Is there really a need to write "I am not moving to kde 4.1 until" no there isn't. If there is a feature missing you want, submit it as a Wish. Have a problem, submit a bug report. That is how you contribute to KDE if you can't code. People don't have the right to come here and bitch constantly, you have the privellage to come and post on this site, not a right. When someone gives you software for free you don;t come here and complain like a rude twat like so many people do. You file a bug report, a wish, and contribute to making it better. This is not the place to complain, the people building KDE will most likely bypass and not read it, file bug reports. Writing silly posts like Iw ill not move to KDE 4.1 until is in no way productive. Want to complain be productive and positive about it. Got to love the post in this dot, not moving to kde 4.1 until a problem with a gnome app is fixed, lol. wrong place to post you want a gnome app fixed.
Re: change - tracyanne - 2008-09-08
quote:: Is there really a need to write "I am not moving to kde 4.1 until" no there isn't. If there is a feature missing you want, submit it as a Wish. Have a problem, submit a bug report. That is how you contribute to KDE if you can't code. I have and I have
Re: change - Paul Leopardi - 2008-09-07
Hear hear. I for one *do* look at the comments on Dot to see if there are usability problems with new versions of KDE. Looking directly at the bug list also works but takes much longer, partly because of the time it takes to formulate the appropriate query, partly because of the response time for each query, partly because of the number of bugs/wishes filed. For me, the most interesting problems are the ones which generate the most "push back" from the KDE developers. This may hint at a more general problem in KDE's overall approach to harnessing its existing user base to improve usability. Not all users are developers. Not even are all users contributors to bug databases. At some point a desktop environment, even a free one, becomes stable enough and widely enough used that there is a certain amount of "corporate knowledge" out there in user-land. Some of this can be packaged into use-cases. Some is more complicated or more personal or more specific. But it is valuable knowledge. So to have developers push back on this knowledge means to me that maybe the developer community is not yet as mature as the user base and hasn't yet learnt how to harness this knowledge more productively. In short, "it would be nice if" the KDE project could figure out a way to capture this knowledge in a way which is more widespread than bugs/wishes, more general than usability labs, and more usable than surveys. Maybe just listening to users? Or maybe something more organized than that. Perhaps I will submit a meta-wish.
Re: change - Kevin Kofler - 2008-09-08
C++ is not impossible to learn. Especially with Qt which is a lot less of a PITA than the STL or Boost.
Re: change - tracyanne - 2008-09-08
I'm willing to accept help from anyone who is willing to help.
Konqueror problems with EBay - Noname - 2008-09-05
With the new Nvidia drivers and KDE 4.1.1, it all begins to fall into place. Great, thank you, developers! However, I know this os the wrong place, but I'm just interested: I haven't been able to use EBay for ages with KHTML (there are also bug reports in bugzilla that get no attention): The dropdown menus in "my Ebay" aren't rendered since KDE 3.x days. Any other rendering engine (firefox, webkit) has absolutely no problem with the same setup. As Ebay should be one of the popular sites, am I really the only one who experiences this?
Re: Konqueror problems with EBay - Anonymous coward - 2008-09-05
Sadly most people just use Firefox, a few Opera and when Chrome will be available... Well, you get the picture. Konqueror is falling back in performance and support for popular technology (flash!, javascript!) and the KHTML camp shows little interest to change this. Oh so often we heard "that's proprietary" and "that's not standard". Fair enough. And then we will probably get some "QtFox" sponsored by N0kia soon, so the competition for Konq ist just getting too strong. So, do what all the others do: just use a working browser. Sad for Konq, though.
Re: Konqueror problems with EBay - Luca Beltrame - 2008-09-05
"And then we will probably get some "QtFox" sponsored by N0kia soon, so the competition for Konq ist just getting too strong. " I for one would not use Firefox even if it used Qt. Its integration with KDE is non existent. That is why I'm using mostly Konqueror, and FF just for some troublesome sites.
Re: Konqueror problems with EBay - taurnil - 2008-09-05
I would really love for konqueror to have the flash problems fixed. It is the ONLY reason I use firefox and seamonkey.
Re: Konqueror problems with EBay - SadEagle - 2008-09-05
>Konqueror is falling back in performance and support for popular technology >(flash!, javascript!) and the KHTML camp shows little interest to change this Really? Konqueror 4.1 shows close to the 50% improvement in JavaScript performance, and is competitive with other browsers in real-life stuff. And as someone who has spent a great deal of time on JavaScript performance, I resent anonymous lies about us not caring about that. As for Flash, the only significant problems I am aware of are in distributions that use Qt compiled w/o Glib event loop and use our builtin event loop integration; however all analysis with valgrind thus far suggests it's a crash inside Flash proper.
Re: Konqueror problems with EBay - anon - 2008-09-05
i would be surprised to see any linux user use Chrome. Let's see their user license that had to be re-written after being written and released by their lawyer gave them royality free rights to anything you post or upload with their browser. Their omni box records keystrokes and send them to google without you even having to it return, google has admitted they will keep some of those along with your ip address. Personally, anyone that trusts google needs their head read
Re: Konqueror problems with EBay - Michael "Done." Howell - 2008-09-06
The user license has been rewritten (http://blog.binaryhelix.net/2008/09/google-chrome-houston-we-have-problem.html). Not sure if Google meant to reuse their old eula or not. As for the Omnibox, can you show me where you heard that? Did you see the network traffic? Can you show us the code? (Chrome is OSS, the code is available in a public repository.) If it really does that, such information would've proliferated more. If the info didn't proliferate for some reason (you saw the network traffic), then I'd go tell everyone.
Re: Konqueror problems with EBay - SadEagle - 2008-09-06
It may have been rewritten for the app, but it's still the license for their web services, isn't it?
Re: Konqueror problems with EBay - Michael "So?" Howell - 2008-09-07
Yes, that is the license for the services. We weren't discussing the services, were we?
Re: Konqueror problems with EBay - S. - 2008-09-07
> As for the Omnibox, can you show me where you heard that? Did you see the network traffic? have you even tried the software? right click address bar, choose "Edit search engines...", and there it is staring right at you in all its evil glory: "[X] Use a suggestion service to help complete searches and URLs typed in the address bar" E.g. after a fresh install, no bookmark import, type "k" in address bar and look at the suggestion drop-down box: k/ www.klm.com Search Google for Kelly Blue Book Search Google for Kohls interesting isn'it?
Re: Konqueror problems with EBay - Anonymous Coward - 2008-09-07
I will definately give it a try and I don't care much about this paranoia - Google is not your government, better be concerned about people who will really hurt you if they see fit... And, BTW, Firefox and Opera are already best friends with Google and do supply data to their servers already. So whats the poblem with chrome?
Re: Konqueror problems with EBay - SadEagle - 2008-09-05
Is this something one can test without actually selling things?
Re: Konqueror problems with EBay - Noname - 2008-09-07
I don't know... however, as you can create some kind of anonymous account in EBay (only to watch actions, not to sell something), this should be possible. Just try out EBay's login page and use a guest account. Would be great if that could be fixed. (The next problem is that upload of pictures for auctions doesn't work most of the time. But that would require creating a real account.)
Re: Konqueror problems with EBay - 3way splitter - 2008-09-08
It doesn't even work correct on kde-look. try to hit no wallpapers selection and nothing happens. Try it with another browser and it refresh without wallpapers. They can blame the sites, but if other browsers render it good people just use that and there user base will get smaller and smaller. Hope webkit for konqueror will wake them up because that works mostly better on those same sites where khtml makes errors.
Thank you ! - blendo - 2008-09-05
Hi I would like to thank the whole KDE-Team for coding, testing and releasing such a great desktop. cheers blendo -------------------------- http://www.kde4.de
I love it... - Phd student - 2008-09-05
I thought that KDE 4.1 wasn't polished enough to use... I was wrong. I love it :) I needs polish here-and-there, sure, but it rocks! I am looking forward to the 4.1.1 packages in Debian. As for my issues, my "worst" problem is that when using compositing, scrolling is choppy, so I don't use it. Oh, and KDE 3.x's color schemes are not updated when I change the colorscheme in KDE 4.1. Cheers to KDE 4!
Re: I love it... - Vide - 2008-09-08
I have the same problem (scrolling).. can yo tell me what are you using so maybe we could gather some more info and help to get the problem fixed? I'm using Kubuntu Hardy 32bit with KDE 4.1 PPA packages and Intel driver. Compositing works well, a part from scrolling wich is just plain broken, sooooo slow.
Re: I love it... - PhD student - 2008-09-08
I have intel driver, too. Probably that's the problem, then. Dunno how to report this one :( Maybe you could take care of this?
Waiting for 4.1.1 anxiously. - Alejandro Nova - 2008-09-06
I give my thanks to all developers involved in this release. I'm still affected by the "Fedora Great Update Freeze", but, hopefully, I'll have KDE 4.1.1 here soon. Go!
Re: Waiting for 4.1.1 anxiously. - Kevin Kofler - 2008-09-08
The Fedora status: * KDE 4.1.0 has now been pushed to stable, it's in the .newkey repositories (i.e. the repositories with the new signing keys), but it may take a few hours to a couple days to get the fedora-release update and the instructions out. This is being handled by Fedora's Release Engineering and Infrastructure teams. * KDE 4.1.1 has been built and queued for testing, it will be in the updates-testing repository in the next push (i.e. the one after the big push with KDE 4.1.0 and many other stuff). It will be pushed to the stable updates about a week later, unless some other major breakdown happens.
Re: Waiting for 4.1.1 anxiously. - Alejandro Nova - 2008-09-11
I followed your guide, and skipped some steps downloading directly the KDE 4.1.1 packages from https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates . I must thank Lubos Lunak and all the KWin crew for backporting two fixes: a fix for the VSync bug (that bug was killing my performance with my old Sempron 2500), and the "unredirect fullscreen windows" feature. Also, I noted that Oxygen was tweaked a little, and KDE behaves and feels better and quicker. Thank you for such a great release.
Re: Waiting for 4.1.1 anxiously. - Kevin Kofler - 2008-09-11
Update: FYI, 4.1.0 is now in the stable updates (you'll have to update twice, once to get the new signing keys and once to actually get the updates), 4.1.1 will hit updates-testing shortly.
Great - Moobyfr - 2008-09-07
Another great release for a great software. Thanks you for all your works, and for being open to bug reports
dot.kde.org site - Miha - 2008-09-14
And when this one will be redesigned? BTW: KDE 4.1.1 is the best KDE ever :D
Desktop icons - Joe - 2008-09-25
I want my desktop icons back! Removing them makes no sense. Without icons the desktop is just an empty screen. Now i have to start all my favorite applications from konsole. Okay i could search them in the Application menu.
Re: Desktop icons - Anon - 2008-09-25
It's been possible to have application icons on the desktop since 4.0.0.
Re: Desktop icons - Joe - 2008-09-25
As simple as right click on desktop -> Add new Icon?