KDE-CVS-Digest for June 6, 2003

This week in
: Improvements and bugfixes to the new tab code used
in Konqueror and now Quanta Plus, numerous
usability enhancements in KMail including easier keyboard shortcut
editing and flickering toolbars fixed, KDE Print gets a new PPD parser,
KStars hardware interface is
extended, and more. Enjoy.



By Nadeem Hasan at Fri, 2003/06/06 - 5:00am

I guess the clock diversion worked ;-). Admit it, it was you who staged the whole thing ;-)

By Sad Eagle at Fri, 2003/06/06 - 5:00am

No it was #commits on irc :)
-ian reinhart geiser

By Ian Reinhart Geiser at Fri, 2003/06/06 - 5:00am

du bist nicht allein!

By Slovin at Fri, 2003/06/06 - 5:00am

I've noticed that KSpell is completely screwed up in the latest CVS ..unfortunately no info in the digest to whom we have to be so grateful for that.

By MiniMe at Fri, 2003/06/06 - 5:00am

second to this happend to me in the last two three weeks just when i got used to use it .

By maor at Fri, 2003/06/06 - 5:00am

Step 1. Find a bug
Step 2. Go to bugs.kde.org
Step 3. Search for your bug
Step 4. If its there vote it up, if not add it.
Step 5. Repeat until KDE rocks

This is optimal even if the bug goes away in CVS it boots tracks problems and resolutions. It also make sure we dont find a million bugs the day after release. You guys using CVS should have bugs.kde.org as your home page!

Worst case senario you will be boosting some of our bug fixes stats!

-ian reinhart geiser

By Ian Reinhart Geiser at Fri, 2003/06/06 - 5:00am

If you're running HEAD (the main development trunk of KDE's CVS) then you really can't complain about things being broken; in fact I guarantee that they often will be. That's why it's not released. ;-)

And I think this is sometimes misunderstood, but HEAD is not a toy or something just to see what's coming in the future -- if you're running HEAD you should (a) be willing to find and fix things when they're broken and annoy you, (b) be willing to file and follow up bug reports or at the very minimum (c) keep quiet about what annoys you if you're not willing to help to fix it. ;-)

By Scott Wheeler at Sat, 2003/06/07 - 5:00am

Well I'd agree with you If I'd complain about something fress/new application but if it is a well working code in the past what is the point o screw it up.

By MiniMe at Sun, 2003/06/08 - 5:00am

People add features, which (sometimes) make KDE better, but they also sometimes break things. The original poster was right. If you're running HEAD, it is certain to have bugs, and sometimes not even to compile. It's up to you to help fix that, by filing well-written bug reports at http://bugs.kde.org/.

By David Hugh-Jones at Tue, 2003/06/10 - 5:00am

> Stephan Binner committed a change to kdebase/konqueror
> Bug 48393: Dynamic Tab Resizing in Konqueror (wishlist)
> Sometimes the tabs don't shrink enough, any idea?

Whee! Moz-like dynamic tab resizing? nice.

>Waldo Bastian committed a change to kdelibs/kdeui
> Deactive layout while we wait for the layout to get rebuild. (Less flicker)

This is removal of the toolbar flicker when switching views in Konq-- yay!

By lit at Fri, 2003/06/06 - 5:00am

Dynamic Tab Resizing isn't as good as in mozilla, as the commit says and the flicker has NOT been eliminated +( just reduced.

By Mario at Sat, 2003/06/07 - 5:00am

Why? Did you try? There were more commits for it than only the initial one.

By binner at Sat, 2003/06/07 - 5:00am

Of course he didn't try it.

By anon at Sun, 2003/06/08 - 5:00am

And that's what they said.

By Mario at Sun, 2003/06/08 - 5:00am

The commits listed in the digest are about 7-10% of the totals. I would say about half the total commits are finishing touches, minor though important corrections. Maintenance type stuff. Translations, web page maintenance, etc. Of the other half, developers typically do multiple commits for the same feature they are working on. Work in progress. I those situations, I select one or two that have the best representative comments.

So, what you read in the digest is only a small part of the action. Hopefully it gives an idea of what is happening, but it is not everything, nor is it meant to be.


By Derek Kite at Sun, 2003/06/08 - 5:00am

It's good to try before you speak :-)

(the dynamic tab resizing in HEAD is good, btw)

By AnGuS at Mon, 2003/06/09 - 5:00am

Thanks for the updates Derek!

By Alex at Sat, 2003/06/07 - 5:00am

Sorry to ask but:
I think I can remember that some time ago when I saved a document
via FTP KIO, it was uploaded immediately back. Now, the document
is saved locally and only when I close it, I'm asked if I want to
upload it back. How can I get back the original behaviour? Or do
I remember incorrectly and it was like that all the time?

By Jan at Sat, 2003/06/07 - 5:00am

I think the way it has always worked is:
(a) If you're using a KDE application and you save, it uploads immediately
(b) If you're using a non-KDE application it waits until you exit and then asks

So what app are you using to edit the document?

By AC at Sun, 2003/06/08 - 5:00am

I'm using Kwrite

By Jan at Sun, 2003/06/08 - 5:00am

I can confirm this. Sadly, if I do Alt+F2 and type www.kde.org, first the page is saved into my disk and then loaded by konqueror. This is really annoying, since the images are not cached, and therefore only the text is shown.

I just tested this. The CVS version is from Friday night (night in UK ;-), so this might be fixed by now.

By Unai at Mon, 2003/06/09 - 5:00am

I found an easy fix though: I wiped out all my $HOME/.kdecvs/share/applnk directory, and as smooth as usual.

By Unai at Mon, 2003/06/09 - 5:00am

Did anybody tried to compile HEAD on FreeBSD recently?
It requires automake17, but it's port is broken, when I installed it manually and start compilation it breaks after some time (after configure in middle of the compilation of kdelibs) with error
libtool: cannot find library `'
Did somebody have solution about ?

ps. I am killing for FreeBSD KDE CVS binaries - anybody know something different than fruitsalate.com ?

By Vlindos at Sun, 2003/06/08 - 5:00am

kdelibs doesn't compile at all right this moment.


By Derek Kite at Sun, 2003/06/08 - 5:00am

I'd love to see Red Hat 8/9-compatible RPM releases of KDE's bleeding-edge branch available for download on a regular basis, similar to Mozilla's nightly binary build system. Maybe twice a month? That'd be really neat for us more adventurous KDE followers. Or is anyone already distributing such snapshots? Of course, I'd love to see KDE.org do it - I trust KDE.org; with any other source I'd have to wonder about malicious modifications to the source.

By Eike Hein at Sun, 2003/06/08 - 5:00am

Why use RedHat with kde? since RedHat seem to have a great history of introducing bugs etc just for kde.

By Kde User at Sun, 2003/06/08 - 5:00am

Maybe you should switch to a more ... KDE friendly distribution first. I mean, redhat has a history of screwing up KDE. Read http://www.mosfet.org/noredhat.html from Mosfet's site and see why.

By Andre at Sun, 2003/06/08 - 5:00am

Switch to Gentoo or Debian and look at either http://cvs.gentoo.org/~danarmak/kde-cvs.html or http://opendoorsoftware.com/cgi/http.pl?p=kdecvs , that's pretty much all you get and need.

By Datschge at Sun, 2003/06/08 - 5:00am

Well, I could easily build KDE on RedHat on my own, too - of course, Gentoo's Portage greatly simplifies the task. I'm aware of that. Still, I'm specifically asking for binary releases because of the long build times. As far as I know, RedHat 8/9 are LSB certified, which pretty much means a RH8/9 compatible RPM release should work for serveral other distros, too, right?

BTW, I know RedHat's not the most KDE-friendly distribution. Getting arts/Noatun to play back MP3s was quite an ordeal. However, I understand the reasons, and apart from that, RedHat is a fine, highly polished distribution. (Still, I had a lot of fun with my first Gentoo installation - at the time, I was just new to Linux and learned a great deal about it during the installation process. Gentoo + Google taught me what packages I really need and for what reasons, while a RedHat/SuSE is quite overwhelming for a newbie.)

By Eike Hein at Sun, 2003/06/08 - 5:00am

I think requests for binaries for commercial distributions should go to the commercial distributions, it should be their service for which they get money and reputation. In any case KDE itself never offered binaries anyway (see http://www.kde.org/download/packagepolicy.php ).

By Datschge at Sun, 2003/06/08 - 5:00am

Somewhat unfortunate, but I can see why :).

By Eike Hein at Mon, 2003/06/09 - 5:00am

Another very KDE friendly distro is SuSE. If you want to drop the $70 at a CompUSA or other common software store for the Professional version, you get a full desktop with commercial DVD authoring software and other goodies. Good stuff.

By Evan "JabberWok... at Sun, 2003/06/08 - 5:00am

Of all the distros I've tried, I happened to install and use KDE on Gentoo without a single problem. I suggest anyone reads more about it. www.gentoo.org

By Mystilleef at Mon, 2003/06/09 - 5:00am